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On punitive blocksEdit

Not sure who you were trying to impress with that block rationale ("I wish to be clear that I am serious about the interaction ban that I have imposed"). It reminds me of the father who slaps his child in the face and then threatens to punch her next, if she dares to speak again. Moreover, treating an editor like a vandal doesn't raise his morale, it only prevents him from contributing to articles. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Bickering and feuding harms the project. If you consider yourself a child, and a one day block to be a slap in the face, I won't argue the implications. BD2412 T 13:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
The implications would indeed be disturbing.[1] ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


Do you do these manually, i.e., one by one? When I have to do similar edits ([2][3][4]), I always wonder if there is an easier/faster way to do them. Cheers ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Since they were large sections, I copied each group of quotes into a word document and did a search and replace. BD2412 T 19:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, nice trick. (Thanks for sharing.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Can you think of any quick(er) way of adding a dot (.) at the end of each reference on the Virgil page (e.g., line xxx.)? (The "search and replace" method doesn't seem to work for that goal.) Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

A wordEdit

I hope you're not thinking of blocking me again for 30 days just because of this edit. (It will be hard for me to come up with something funnier than this if you do block me again this time, but I'll try...) Okay, take care. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Not even thinking about it. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Could sending personal information that proves me and Diogo are brothers (e.g., my Passport) via email be grounds for a global lock? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:26, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. Those are not issues that I have had to deal with. BD2412 T 17:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay. As you know, my brother was blocked some time ago in many wikis where he has zero edits (by a person I cannot name). He was recently unblocked at Commons, where admin asked him to write on his user page that he is my brother. (He did so [5], as a favor, which may be amusing to the people who think he is my sock.) He was also unblocked at Wikisource [6] on the grounds that he had no edits there. (He also has no edits here.)
Other than the strong evidence presented by email that he is my brother (including citizen card, ID), there are other things which you included can check. 1) he created his account in 2009 (I myself didn't even know about accounts till late 2012); 2) the email with which he registered his account is (confirm that); 3) he still uses that email, even on his Facebook account, where you can find him (Diogo Tomé). I think it is obvious that the account is his.
Also worth noting, he, just like me, registered with his real name, which is not what socks do (if somehow I were to have a sock, and could magically have created it 5 years ago, I would name it "starwarsfan93" or something like that). Although I know he doesn't want to edit Wikiquote, I still don't think he should be blocked here on sock grounds.
I would ask the person I can't name, who blocked him the the first place, to unblock his account, as he did at Wikisource, but I don't want to be blocked for 30 days (I suppose even this request alone could get me in trouble), so I'm asking you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
@DanielTom, why not just file a formal request at Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard? -- Mdd (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I would prefer to ask the blocking admin directly if he would revert the block (as he did at Wikisource), but I'm under an inconvenient interaction ban. At this point I'm using BD as a proxy. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I prefer to keep it simple, so I copy/pasted your unblock request to Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unblock_request_User:Diogotome -- Mdd (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Mdd, first we should ask the blocking admin. Only then (if he refuses to unblock) should we go to the admins' noticeboard. The first step is (was) important. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have asked the blocking admin here, and if he has no objections any administrator can proceed. If however he does disagree, the Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard seems like the most appropriate place to discuss this matter. -- Mdd (talk) 11:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have handled this matter. Cheers! BD2412 T 12:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

re FYIEdit


Please see my replies to you at my user talk page at diff and diff.

I am going to defer to your judgment, and not get involved in any of this stuff, therefore repeated replies to my user talk page with attempts by a third-party user to draw me into this matter are not helpful at this point in time.

I'm recovering from some significant health issues and would prefer to just not be bothered any more with this matter.

I thank you again for your advice and I will continue to abide by it.

I hope you are well,

-- Cirt (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I consider the matter closed. BD2412 T 17:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, thank you. I'll get back to my recovery process. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Advice to the wikiquote saviorEdit

Lawyers should avoid double negatives.[7] ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not uncomfortable with double negatives. BD2412 T 02:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Nor lacks e'en here the law's appeal,
Nor sits no judge the lots to deal.
— (Conington.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


Is there a way of adding spaces, like so:

  • hello,

but continuing below that, as in:

  • [ . . . white space . . . ] "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

You mean something like this?

  •                                   "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

Cheers! BD2412 T 21:15, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

On further investigation, this is even better:

  •           "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

BD2412 T 21:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, this is what I was looking for. Thanks! ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Slightly more concisely:

  •                "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

(The spaces between are also spaces, albeit smaller ones.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 22:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Damn you, sir, you have rent my thunder. Well played, sir, well played. BD2412 T 22:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Username requestEdit

Hello! Can you please change my username from "Guycn1" to "Guycn1 (unused)"? Guycn1 (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :) 17:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Q (2)Edit

You should unblock my "Daniel Tomé" account. It's not clear to me how using my real name could ever be perceived as sockpuppetry. The issue here was a cross wiki harassment against me conducted by Cirt, whom I'm not supposed to mention, and who should be blocked for having defaced my block log for no reason. May I recreate the user page (after the coming 30 day block)? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

What on earth would lead you to think that the block would be only thirty days? BD2412 T 13:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I still think you should unblock this account. As far as I know, there is nothing in policy that prevents me from having more than 1 account, as long as it is clearly labeled and admitted to be mine (which "Daniel Tomé" is, as a very public rename, and only a latter shy of "DanielTom"), not to mention its block for it being a "sock" is ridiculous. I can raise the issue at the administrators' noticeboard if you would rather not unblock it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Any update on this? If you want to keep it blocked, the rationale should be different. You can run, but you can't hide... ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
It probably would be best raised at the Administrators' Noticeboard. After all, what would you do with the account if it were unblocked? BD2412 T 20:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
If it is supposed to be blocked, you should have blocked it at the time of the rename. Not sure I want "User:Daniel Tomé" discussed in public noticeboards again, for obvious reasons, but if you insist... ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
It turned out fine. Brief discussion, block lifted. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi! It's always nice to see some Wikiquote editors joining global discussions, thank you. Of course you noticed that the WMF didn't bother registering the Wikiquote logo before registering a less important logo nobody asked protection for? Personally I'd like to see the WMF focus on the protection of assets that directly impact our editors and readers (Italian editors' pet peeve is the domain, which has millions visitors and displays prominent advertisement, with no action from WMF in years; but this matters less for you of course). See wmf:Wikimedia trademarks#Wikiquote. --Nemo 14:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Hoyt's dictionary sectionsEdit

Hello ! I've been editing Memory, which is currently split between general sourced quotes and quotes which you added from Hoyt's dictionary. Just wanted to ask whether I need to verify the quotes in that section independently before integrating them with the rest of the article or whether they should remain in a separate section indefinitely. Cheers :) --Aphorist (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Hoyt's quotations are generally not fully sourced because they do not indicate the date or page number of the work from which they are derived. However, they are not "unsourced" because Hoyt's itself is a source. These can be integrated into the general quotes as sourced to Hoyt's (see Results for an example of this), but the ideal result will be for each to be fully sourced by date and page in its work of origin. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Are page numbers always required ? They almost always vary between editions, so I'm never sure which to use, and I find the citation format here makes it difficult to concisely state information about the edition being used without distracting the reader from the quote. --Aphorist (talk) 11:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The ideal citation points the reader to the date, work, and page where the quote in question was first ever published, as we are in the business of providing verified quotes. Consider: "One often hears of writers that rise and swell with their subject, though it may seem but an ordinary one". That is from Moby-Dick; I could tell you that alone, and you could take my word on it, but our page on that work at least indicates that it is in chapter 104 (the chapters of Moby-Dick are short enough for that to make the quote easy to find). If you want to find it to see the surrounding context, you can do so without reading the entire book. This is also useful for demonstrating that the quote was part of the work at its inception, or if it wasn't, of when it was added. BD2412 T 00:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks muchEdit

Thank you for your contributions to Sexual slang, most appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

There was an additional quote from the film that I vaguely remember, but can't find, where one character was rattling off a list of slang names of things that another one (the murder victim, I believe) would do. BD2412 T 21:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Heh, sounds like an interesting film, I'll have to look into it. -- Cirt (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Cool, tell me what's up. Also, are there tools like "Twinkle" or "Hot Cat" etc. available on WikiQuote like they are on Wikipedia? Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

  • HotCat is definitely available, in preferences, under Gadgets. As for the project, there is a public domain compilation of quotes in the book, Respectfully Quoted (it is in the public domain because it is produced by the U.S. Congressional Research Service, and contains quotes requested by members of Congress). I have created a project page at User:BD2412/RQ listing dozens of pages where I have separated these quotes by topic. The red links are topics missing from Wikiquote altogether; the blue links are topics for which Wikiquote has an article, and some RQ quotes may be missing from that article. The red-link pages, in particular, need to be fully formatted, augmented with lede materials, and then moved into the mainspace. I should add that some of these only have one quote, and other quotes on the topic can be found and added to the page. The blue-link pages need to have quotes moved from the pages I have created in my userspace to the correct target pages. BD2412 T 15:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Nice job. What would specifically be most useful for me to do? Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Probably the best thing to do would be to move methodically through the list, making sure that each quote on a given page is properly formatted and adding appropriate quotes as needed. Once a page is up to par with other pages in mainspace, they can be moved to mainspace and categories can be added. BD2412 T 17:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Starting from the bottom up on the redlinks. Tell me if this is the kind of support you are looking for[8]. Cheers. Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

re Project!Edit

Hey Cirt, what are you up to these days? I have a major project in the pipeline, and could use some help. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

These days my wiki time is spent across multiple projects mainly all having to do with the generalist subject of freedom of speech. Most recently the article I created from scratch, Freedom for the Thought That We Hate, was the Featured Article on the Main Page of Wikipedia. Does your project have to do with freedom of speech ? -- Cirt (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The project is outlined in my response to User:Plot Spoiler above. I can't say that it particularly has to do with freedom of speech, although there is a page on obscenity (User:BD2412/Obscenity). Currently, Obscenity redirects to Profanity, but I think that they are distinct topics, and would like to see a separate page on obscenity built and moved over the redirect. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Ah, okay, well Obscenity sounds like an interesting research topic, I'll look into what some sources have said about it. -- Cirt (talk) 16:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with my attempts at good faith compromiseEdit

BD2412, I could use your help at Talk:Landmark Forum with my attempts to reach good faith compromise.

Basically here's the situation:

  1. Some people there don't like the quotes that were originally used to create the page.
  2. I've acknowledged this, and removed some quotes outright myself.
  3. Other quotes I've trimmed to make them more pithy and succinct.
  4. I also suggested that we can add other more quotable quotes and even use those to replace the less quotable quotes.
  5. Instead there is talk of trying to get the entire page deleted!
  6. The topic is certainly notable. Can we come to a good faith compromise resolution where the page can be retained, with new quotes added, and some other quotes kept?

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Your Project - a questionEdit

BD2412, I started some work on your latest project and created a page for Exploration. I made an attempt to move this topic out of the red topics list on your subpage - is this how you would like it to be signified (that a topic is done)? I also deleted the subpage where the quotes had temporarily lived - is this also how you would like things to occur? ~ UDScott (talk) 16:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Per the GFDL, edit history should be preserved by just moving the page to mainspace. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, BD2412,
I just put a note on my username usurpation request. Just following up on the status of the request. Thanks so much! Newjerseyliz (talk) 13:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Recurring style disputeEdit

I have brought up some of our stylistic disagreements at the Village Pump under the heading Recurring style dispute, and invite you to make arguments for your particular positions on the matter. ~ Kalki·· 00:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

As you have admitted to your awareness that in many instances it can be MUCH harder for others to REVERSE the changes you are presently making than for you to make them, I am requesting that you cease from imposing your preferences on the pages where such style preferences have NOT been imposed, at least until there is a clear opportunity for a consensus decision on the matter to be established. ~ Kalki·· 02:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, I am primarily working on pages that I created, or for which I have been a primary author, and pages that have a mix of some punctuated citations and some unpunctuated citations. BD2412 T 02:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Vietnam WarEdit

I added a few quotes to the page, and I thought you might be interested in Wikiquote:Transwiki/American History Primary Sources Cold War, which has about a dozen more quotes about this topic (although they are in need of better sourcing). Cheers! BD2412 T 15:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a juicy sourcing project ­– and a transwiki at that! I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll take a look at it sometime in the next week. Thanks for the suggestion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

The CaptureEdit

Please restore this article so I can see if it can be rescued. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I have restored the page and moved it to User:DanielTom/The Capture, so that it can be worked on in peace. Please feel free to move it back to the mainspace when you feel it is up to it. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. DanielTom (talk) 17:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


Just a heads up, BD2412, regarding Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Blacklisted_social_networking_sites, I gave a comment there as I was directly mentioned by Ningauble regarding a prior admin action of mine. Due to a previous restriction you've placed on myself I will stop commenting further in that particular thread.

I will instead respectfully defer to the judgment of yourself and other admins in that discussion.

I hope you and your family are well during this holiday season.

I currently have limited and spotty Internet access so I am unfortunately not able to contribute that much or that actively lately.


-- Cirt (talk) 04:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Votes for deletionEdit

Hi BD2412, since the deadline for discussion has passed, could you close this discussion? I must mention that there is a degree of urgency because the deletion of Brimstone's Commons pictures depends on whether there are articles to support the need for the pictures. Thank you very much. Starship.paint (talk) 05:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I generally prefer not to close discussions in which I have been a participant, if uninvolved admins are available to do so. There are plenty of other admins who are active on the site and did not participate - I would suggest asking User:UDScott, User:Ningauble, User:Mdd, or User:Abramsky. Cheers! BD2412 T 13:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for the info! Starship.paint (talk) 07:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


I already left this message before. Can you or another admin please protect my talk page. It is being met with vandalism again and I don't want to consistently revert the gibberish.

Additionally, please protect or semi-protect the following articles as they are being met with vandalism once again:

I would suggest heavy protection. I reverted them to before the vandalism began, but I would highly recommend that they be protected from all new users as most of the vandalism is being done by the same sockpuppets from prior. Reverting the edits only triggers more activity from this sockpuppeteer. I would suggest a checkuser again for all the most recent accounts that have vandalised these articles and my talk page as they are all likely one and the same. Please notify me when the protection has been made. Thanks in advance. - Zarbon (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

New project? – Harbottle's Dictionary of QuotationsEdit

Hi BD. Please check this dictionary; its translations from Latin into English are a bit awkward (and I'm guessing the same is true for those in Greek), but it is very comprehensive and well-sourced. Two examples for your consideration: Anacreon and Alexis. (The problem is, it doesn't have a Wikisource page, but you can still find it online, e.g., here.) What do you think, should we try to import it to Wikiquote? Interested? ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Excellent. I will begin this weekend with the uploads to English Wikisource, and once formatting there is underway, will begin porting quotes to a project page over here, from which they can be distributed to the appropriate author/topic pages. BD2412 T 18:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but won't it take a really long time before the transcription on Wikisource is done? ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
We won't need to wait for Wikisource to finish before we start porting quotes. BD2412 T 12:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

What does this maxim mean?Edit

  • Pure friendship's well-feigned blush.
    • Lord Byron, Stanzas to Her who can Best Understand Them, Stanza 12.

--Spannerjam (talk) 09:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

This one, I do not know. BD2412 T 12:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
If you read the whole poem, it becomes clear. Lord Byron feels he has been wronged by this lady, claiming his heart was "in friendship cheated"—
Wast thou but a fiend, assuming
Friendship's smile, and woman's art,
And in borrow'd beauty blooming,
Trifling with a trusted heart!
"Pure friendship's well-feigned blush", I think, means that the blush was faked, and Lord Byron confirms this himself in the following verse (he refers to her smiles and blushing, that tricked him, as "false charms"). In these painful parting poems, it is customary to say that you forgive the lady, and hope for her happiness and longevity, which Byron does, but then he also peculiarly reminds her how her beauty will fade away, and goes further than Shakespeare (who also did this often), and hopes that she will then also feel the way he does now, imagining that at that time he will return as a ghost and whisper to her "friendship's broken vow". ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
This is not, by any interpretation, a maxim: it is not a general precept, but a description of a lady being demure.

This is a poem about friendship ruined by romance. Byron and the lady were friends, until she seduced him. He does not love her, and declares that they can no longer be friends. He feels betrayed: a true friend, with "pure friendship", would not have taken it too far and ruined the friendship.

The poem also emphasizes an ironic ambiguity: the smile, the twinkling eye, the blush, can all be innocently demure between friends, but they can also be a come-on; and and he accuses her [stanza 13]:

By all those false charms united,—
Thou hast wrought thy wanton will.
~ Ningauble (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
As you say, smiling and blushing were natural expressions of friendship by the female at the time, so what makes you think it was romance that ruined the friendship? (I guess it is because of the verses, "Not as man I looked on thee;— / Why like woman then undo me?") That you are friends with someone, and then find that she wants to be your lover, is hardly an affront, and would not necessarily have caused the sentiments expressed in this poem. "Thou hast wrought thy wanton will" does not imply anything romantic or sexual (in fact, if all her charms were forged, as Byron claims, then she might actually not have loved him at all); she could have "slighted" him, and betrayed their friendship, by, say, revealing secrets he had told no one but her. What makes you sure it was otherwise? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Time for closureEdit

Been over one week.

RFA presently at 66.7 percent.

Plus additional Comments.

Time for closure?

-- Cirt (talk) 11:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Zoey 101Edit

Perhaps you should semi-protect this page. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(Requested at Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
This seems to be resolved. Sorry for my spotty availability recently. I have just finished an enormous project at work (publishing five books on different aspects of privacy law), so I should have more flexibility for a while. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh. No problem. You know, at my school, we (students) make fun of lawyers because—we say—they can't do even the most basic math operations. But the most common criticism made of lawyers is of their character. People say the meanest things about lawyers. I find this ironic, because when people get into big trouble, they invariably end up looking for help from (you've guess it) a lawyer. Needless to say, having a good lawyer and a good accountant is key for any business (Al Capone only got arrested because they caught his accountant). As for lawyers, I often say they have a very easy job: whatever the case, their client is always right. After all, lawyers don't have to worry about the truth—that's up to the judge to find. "Don't worry, my dear client, 'tis impossible to lose such a case!" (Of course, the hardest part of a lawyer's job, is when they have to ask their clients to pay.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Alexander PopeEdit

Thanks, awesome work on this page and sub-pages. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks you very much. I'm a big fan of Pope. Thanks, also, for digging up those gems from Samuel Johnson. BD2412 T 14:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
(Pope is too sweet for my orc ears.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

As an aside, John Conington apparently believed Pope to be "the most correct of English poets". Now, I have a question for you: do you like this format? I do not, but the alternative blank spaces would make the first line appear to be floating—how would you present the quote? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I haven't given it much thought before, but I prefer spaces. BD2412 T 03:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Then there are two options:

  •              Dryden taught to join
    The varying verse, the full resounding line,
    The long majestic march, and energy divine.


  •                            Dryden taught to join
    The varying verse, the full resounding line,
    The long majestic march, and energy divine.

Which of these do you prefer? ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The appearance may vary from monitor to monitor, but the first one looks to me like line 1 is centered of over line 2, so I would go with the second. BD2412 T 12:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Right, it's supposed to be centered. Last attempt: comparing the second option with the use of dots, which one looks better to you? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
That's actually not bad. It certainly conveys the sense that this is a line from a continuing poem. BD2412 T 13:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not sure this last format is acceptable from a scholarly point of view, but I guess we can stick with it for now. (If someone else comes along, and changes it into a better format, that'll be fine too.) Thanks for your input. ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Contact usEdit

Your opinion is requested here. I would edit the page myself, but I cannot, because it's protected. Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


Can you please update your recent changes board? Or better yet, semi-protect it please? --GoldenBot (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

What "recent changes" board is that? BD2412 T 17:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
when you go to recent changes, you then see a big blue "board" at the top, could you please semi it? --~~Goldenburg111 17:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
You mean MediaWiki:Recentchangestext? I don't think that namespace can be edited by anyone but admins anyway. BD2412 T 17:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
well, your an administrator. Can you please update it to one request for bot (GoldenBot) --~~Goldenburg111 17:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Done, Cheers! BD2412 T 17:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thanks :) --~~Goldenburg111 18:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Silas BentEdit

Was there a previous history of/contents in this page, i.e., before the redirect? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Only the Silas Bent quote now on the Technology page (and various cleanup tags). BD2412 T 18:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


BD2412: As I was preparing to add quotes to this page (and move it over into the mainspace), it occurred to me that perhaps it might make sense to merge with Egotism. Thoughts? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree. BD2412 T 04:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words about my conductEdit

BD2412, thank you very much for your kind words about my conduct which you stated at User_talk:Kalki#and_the_ANSWER_is:_Thought_and_respectful_consideration_.E2.80.94.C2.A0I_fear_that_might_seem_a_bit_alien_to_you.E2.80.A6_but_so_it_goes....

Your kind actions about my professional conduct, especially in light of other not so professional conduct, is truly most appreciated!

Thanks again,

-- Cirt (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I made a proposal, at Wikiquote:Village_pump#Proposal:_More_community_involvement_in_Quote_of_the_Day_process. BD2412, I respect your advice and input. If you know of a way I can improve my conduct to be even more professional in this discussion, or just any advice as to how to better facilitate this discussion, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 14:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

David Starr JordanEdit

I'd like to see the contents of this page. Can you restore it? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Rather than restoring the page, I can just tell you exactly what was on it. There was a lede identical to the two-line lede in the subject's Wikipedia article; and there was a single unsourced quote (under an ==Unsourced== header) on the page, which was: "There is no real excellence in all this world which can be separated from right living". Other than categories and maintenance tags, that's all there was. BD2412 T 16:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
That was easy to source [9]. Why not restore it? ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
We have tens of thousands of unsourced quote that would be easy to source, given unlimited time. I have restored the page - please add the source info. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


Did you manage to use this template successfully? ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

It does not work here because the implementation relies on custom CSS and JavaScript that is present at Wikipedia but not at Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I see, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


Wishing you Happy Easter. I thought I would create an article on Easter Sunday today but realized late that you had already done it as Easter. So I added all the quotes I gathered with references to the article. May like to see.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Usurpation Request (SUL)Edit

Not a very urgent issue, but I just wanted to remind you of my request as the mentioned date has passed. D abhi (talk) 18:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries - I performed the usurpation. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks UDScott! BD2412 T 22:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


Just making a brief note of thanks for all the Wiktionary links you have been adding to the pages lately. Those are certainly very worthy and beneficial additions to the pages, and permit opportunities for greater expansion of awareness and appreciation of some of the multitudes of meanings many words can have. ~ Kalki·· 18:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It's my pleasure. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


What quotes did this page have (prior to deletion)? ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the page and moved it to User:DanielTom/Rice so that you can see/work on it. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The Odyssey of Homer (Alexander Pope)Edit

I don't understand. Where did you get the first two quotes from? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The quotes on the page are either from Bartlett's 1919, or were already in the Alexander Pope page when I started making the breakout page. BD2412 T 21:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Bartlett got it wrong then. I could only find these quotations in a 1968 edition of his Familiar Quotations [10] (as far as I know, they are not in Bartlett's 1919). I don't believe they are Pope's, so I'll be removing them from the article now, unless you object. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
They may already have been in Alexander Pope before I started adding 1919 quotes. If they are in any edition of Bartlett's, but not in Pope's actual work, I would suggest creating a Misattributed section on that page, so we can correct Mr. Bartlett's error. BD2412 T 23:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, good idea. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome backEdit

The project isn't finished yet, but it wouldn't be much fun if it were. I hope the trip to London was well enjoyed. ~ Kalki·· 21:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back. Are there any reports or rumors that you can share about what transpired at the Wikimania session on the future of Wikiquote? (Last year's session about Wikiquote[11] did not record or publish its proceedings.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I did not end up attending that session. In fact, I spent almost the entirety of Wikimania beta testing various proposed upgrades, volunteering to man tables, and engaging in lengthy and indeterminate side discussions. Wikiquote did come up a few times in those discussions, particularly with respect to the potential use of Wikidata to organize quotes. BD2412 T 13:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

page moveEdit

Could you please move Nicholas John Griffin to Nick Griffin? ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done ~ UDScott (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming usersEdit

Dear BD2412,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

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If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

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  • Thanks for the notice. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


are not sentences, so they should not be punctuated. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Judging by some of the available examples, [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], that is not a universal rule.
Now, let me ask you, which of these is preferable?
  • There is, betwixt that smile we would aspire to,
    That sweet aspect of princes, and their ruin,
    More pangs and fears than wars or women have;
    And when he falls, he falls like Lucifer,
    Never to hope again.
    • Henry VIII, act III, scene ii, lines 350–72. Cardinal Wolsey is speaking about his friendship with Henry VIII.
  • There is, betwixt that smile we would aspire to,
    That sweet aspect of princes, and their ruin,
    More pangs and fears than wars or women have;
    And when he falls, he falls like Lucifer,
    Never to hope again.
    • Henry VIII, act III, scene ii, lines 350–72 Cardinal Wolsey is speaking about his friendship with Henry VIII
Since we don't use separate footnotes, we either punctuate partially (which is inconsistent) or punctuate completely. BD2412 T 00:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Alexander Pope
The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations does not even punctuate full sentences in their citations [17]; but you could argue that in the rare occasions in which sentences do occur, they should be punctuated (like in your first example). ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Since we don't use footnotes (as I noted), punctuating only sentences would have us punctuating some citations and not others, which is inconsistent. In many cases, we already have inconsistent punctuation for partial citations on different parts of the same page. It is much easier to punctuate everything than to find only the citations that do not contain complete sentences and manually unpunctuate them. As for other sources, the question is not whether there is anybody who doesn't punctuate, but if everybody doesn't. If everybody didn't, I would consider it moot. BD2412 T 00:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, if you can not see that citations that are not sentences are different from citations that include sentences, then yes, it becomes "inconsistent". I say we should treat them differently consistently (because they are different). It is not inconsistent to treat different things differently. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Added a picture. The caption is not punctuated, because it is not a sentence. The same goes for citations. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Some of the very quotation dictionaries that I have been working to incorporate into our corpus punctuate citations that are "not sentences" any more than the ones I am punctuating - Harbottle; Hoyt's, Dictionary of Legal Quotations, Burning Words, Respectfully Quoted. I believe these collectively add up to about forty-thousand quotes, and I'm about halfway through the entire project. For every single one of these, I would need to remove all of these ending punctuation marks (except in the cases, as pointed out before, where there are notes beyond the citation), or end up with inconsistent punctuation in the pages where they are added. It's much easier for me to match the punctuation on the pages to the quotes. BD2412 T 00:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, as Pope said, "Just as the twig is bent, the tree's inclined." If you first learned about how citations should be punctuated from those dictionaries, then you will stick to it, irrespective of any reason you might be given to the contrary. (Cf. Swift: "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.") ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
It's not a question of preference. It's the easiest way to do what we are here to do, which is to build a comprehensive corpus of notable quotations. There is no more efficient way to do that then to take large existing collections and combine them into one, complete with their existing punctuation scheme. BD2412 T 01:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Gnat Turds are NOT necessary in this wiki, nor are similar small needless dots over all the pagesEdit

I had taken a short break from wiki activities, and just as I was about to leave my home entirely I checked in here and noticed you are on ANOTHER of your arrogant bouts of PRESUMPTUOUS pollution of this wiki with grammatically POINTLESS points.

Gnat Turds are NOT necessary in this wiki — and your periodic COMPULSIVE addition of similar DOTS to of needless CRAP punctuation assertions to MANY pages AS IF they were needed, with authoritative sounding assertions of "Consistent punctuation and spacing at the end of citation lines to clearly indicate to the reader that the line has ended" is one of the most ridiculously contemptible of things that ANY of the generally honorable people who are admins are inclined to do, of which I am aware. You are the ONLY person who is actually insistent on the supposed propriety of this relatively RARE and certainly NOT universally used form of punctuation, which happens to have been used in at least one of the 19th century works with which you have done ACTUALLY useful and commendable work here, in adding selections of quotes from it. I once again assert this form of punctuation is not only NOT necessary but from my perspectives QUITE UGLY, and every time I or others have objected to your bouts of adding these you have BLITHELY insisted they were entirely a service to the readers and users that are necessary.

I am not oblivious that you are clever enough a legalist to twist arguments around, and present valid and proper sounding reasons for your acts, and I am prepared to respond to them, later, but I actually must be leaving now — but I will say were I still an admin and you persisted in such asinine behavior, I would definitely move to block you at this point to prevent further damage to pages, for I do consider such acts without clear sanction or rational motivations an act of VANDALISM and a MASSIVE page pollution campaign.

You KNOW that you can pollute the pages with these needless dots EASILY, and with little opposition or complaint in your relatively trusted positions as an Admin, and FEW are likely to challenge you. I once again ask you to exhibit simple human DECENCY and cease and DESIST from this, for at this point that is about all the means I have to stop you from further disgracing yourself, and this wiki, through the adding of all those goddamned ugly dots that are no more necessary than GNAT TURDS. Have a nice day. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 00:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Greetings Kalki In order to accommodate your absurdism I will leave out the "gnat turds" in my response here My sense is that you, being an absurdist, find periods to be unnecessarily restraining But for these periods, these poor citations would be free to go on and on forever, unfettered by the chains of conformity Sadly, it seems my compulsion to impose this order matches your compulsion to eliminate it Therefore I will continue to punctuate citations until not a one remains unpunctuated Have a nice day BD2412 T 00:46, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
As a person who is apparently not well informed enough to have a clear idea of the diversity and worth of absurdist ideas, which defy and oppose MANY forms of absolutist ideologies and idiocy, you are quite welcome to think and do absurdly stupid things so long as they are NOT damaging to the RIGHTS of others to defy and oppose them — but if you are genuinely so truly so shallow minded or ill-informed as to believe that absurdism is the mere PROMOTION of ridiculous absurdities, something like MANY legalisms are, rather than a promotion of the HONEST confrontation of ABSURDITIES and STUPIDITY, and the permitting of diverse notions of the FAIR and the FOUL to contend HONESTLY, rather than ALWAYS through artificial illusions and extensive forms of mendacity, I will attempt to clarify a few things in my use of the term, and aspects of it as generally used by many.
An absurdist, quite UNLIKE many or perhaps even most absolutists, authoritarians, nihilists and other nitwits who are often prone to embrace many styles of foul fascism, arrogance, tyranny and terrorism, though rarely calling them that, and various dupes, cowards and cronies willing to serve and support them, for various major or trivial reasons, is very willing to admit that there exists MUCH of importance and value which they do NOT know or claim to know. This clearly makes them mystically humble and courageous in more ways than many are inclined to even attempt to be. Those with most ethical and rational integrity and competence also know that there ARE things or aspects of reality which they CAN and MUST know, or believe, or doubt, to varying degrees, depending upon various forms of evidence, and seek to develop greater awareness and appreciation of the views of others, based on the evidence available to them, and to HELP people better understand others and themselves, by whatever means they believe ethically appropriate and effective.
As a promoter of ethically competent absurdism, I am NOT a stupidly naïve absolutist about anything, something people who are PRONE to be dimwitted absolutists about MUCH often seem to find impossible, or at least very difficult to understand, and often actively seek ways ridicule, AS IF not ABSOLUTELY accepting their supposed authority or what they find authoritative as such, are simply therefore some form of Absolutist Anarchist or even as Nihilistic about EVERYTHING as MOST authoritarians are about MUCH which others believe or know, and the most desperate or arrogant authoritarians and nihilists don't wish to bother hearing about, beyond finding ways to denigrate and deride them effectively among those almost as ignorant and confused as they are.
I assert that any ethically competent absurdist, or any ethically competent human being, seeks to effectively fight lies and delusions based on absolutist, legalistic and mechanistic assumptions, attitudes and actions. I am aware that such USE of terms as I am employing are not as yet within the general vocabulary of most, but I trust that MANY are growing MORE aware and appreciative of MANY aspects of the truths they INDICATE, even in these troubled and confusing times.
My objections to what I believe to be your generally UNDESIRABLE and NON-STANDARD forms of NEEDLESS additions of punctuation marks is NOT in any way a rejection of genuinely USEFUL and appropriate punctuation marks.
Your apparent WILLINGNESS to embrace absurd mendacity in this instance, which is one of the many things ethically competent absurdists fight, in opposing absolutist, legalistic and mechanistic forms of idiocy which deny and defy MANY forms of profound awareness and appreciation of TRUTH and JUSTICE in favor of apparent or incidental advantages to some forms of comforting mendacity or delusion. There are even occupations where this is said to be highly prized.
I am well aware that the very diverse ranges and forms of absurdism, universalism and mysticism are not an easy thing for most people to understand, and that some forms can be just as repellent, repulsive, and dangerously deranged as any of the MANY forms of authoritarianism, nihilism and absolutism which many people casually or fervently accept, and which competent and wise absurdists, steadfastly oppose and fight, whatever their own ranges of personal inclinations, affinities and moods amidst various situations might be.
Though I assert genuinely absurdist thought patterns and inclinations, like many other forms of philosophy under many names actually go back to ancient times, among those whom I would list as modern absurdists on many matters, in more commonly recognized senses of the word are Albert Camus, Simone Weil, Samuel Beckett, Kurt Vonnegut, Václav Havel, Joss Whedon, Neil Gaiman and James Branch Cabell.
But now that I have attempted to clarify some aspects of my stances of philosophical absurdism, I will state that quite honestly, your recent activities, and similar rampages against the FAR more common and common sense punctuations of others for such information lines, remind me of few things so much as those of an "officially empowered" and sanctioned vandal. MUCH like any PISSANT VANDAL, you are apparently UNASHAMEDLY wasting a great deal of your own and other people's TIME, and making an effort to oppose your will to IMPOSE your particular style on ALL pages, with the PALTRY and DISGUSTINGLY MENDACIOUS arguments of a "need" for UNIFORMITY wherever there is a page that has so much as one or two lines which end as a period, because their happen to be actual sentences within them, and there IS an actually standardly recognized need for such. ~ Kalki·· 19:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

BD, as you pointed out, it actually takes a long time to remove those dots, so I think it's reasonable not to add them to pages that (say) Kalki created, if he does not like them, at least until such time as the WQ community comes to a consensus on how citations should be punctuated. Of course Kalki should also not enforce his aesthetic views on pages that you created. In any case, if established dictionaries of quotations do not punctuate their citations, what you are doing can not be considered absolutely necessary, so I do not believe you are justified in making so many changes to so many pages so fast, after being challenged, without prior consensus. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

My primary goal right now is to find pages that have some punctuated and some unpunctuated citations, and making them uniform. Of course, as I do this, the biggest issue I see is a plague of pages that are just terribly formatted all over. Mind you, I am skipping a lot more pages than I am making these changes to, and I could be going a lot faster than I am going. BD2412 T 01:28, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
RATIONAL CONSISTENCY rather than MECHANISTIC ROBOTIC CONSISTENCY is what should be favored. I do occasionally end info lines with a period — because they are arguably or certainly sentences or paragraphs with sentences, rather than mere info lines. I checked a few of the pages in your recent rampage, like Now, which I created as an article on 1 June 2014‎, and was the SOLE editor on since then, UNTIL your edit. There were only TWO lines which ended with a period, because they were arguably or certainly, interpretable as sentences. IF I were a totally COWARDLY ass-kissing MORON, which you seem to believe people should BE in regard to your claims, of a NEED for ROBOTIC consistency and OBEDIENCE to YOU, I might actually thank you for the ARROGANT ASININE PRESUMPTUOUS MENDACITY by which you seek to claim ANY RATIONAL legitimacy for your actions on MOST of these pages. I honestly cannot even pretend to do that. Your primary goal in the recent bout of assault upon the formatting MOST others seem to PREFER, seems to have been to INFEST as many pages as possible with your particular form of UGLY and NEEDLESS formatting. Even an initial supporter of your actions the last time this occurred conceded they were ugly. Indeed I will agree with you that "the biggest issue I see is a plague of pages that are just terribly formatted all over" —and I often try to gradually correct this with formatting that had been agreed to from the beginning of this wiki —  and that you CHOOSE to INCREASE that plague of poor formatting with your own massive INFUSION of a what has NOT been agreed to, and which I consider a VILE, UGLY preference of YOU, and basically you ALONE, of all the most regular editors here, in what I consider a vile, ARROGANT, and foully PRESUMPTUOUS way, is something I consider a despicable act. Otherwise you seem, for the most part, a fairly decent person, but in this regard, I genuinely consider your actions quite despicable, and in some ways more so than those of a merely anonymous vandal, whose damages are usually relatively easy to revert. In this case you know that few are likely to oppose you sufficiently to immediately revert the damages to the page formats, and it will get MORE difficult as time goes by, and thus are likely to persist for months or years EVEN if enough people become sufficiently aware of the arrogant asininity of your acts to oppose them. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 19:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
First, there are a dozen periods in your own preceding paragraph (not including those in URLs), so you can't be all that averse to them. Secondly, these formats will not persist for "months or years"; they will persist forever. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The profound stupidity of your previous assertion IS certainly Eternal, in more ways than you are likely to easily surmise, but I believe the temporal endurance of the forms of arrogant asinine stupidity you apparently aim to promote and insist upon, at this point, will certainly be less than "forever", and if there is sufficient justice at work in coming months, I believe those traces of your acts of obnoxiously smug arrogance CAN and WILL be eradicated within the next year, but not without considerably more effort than should need to be expended in reverting edits that I continue to insist amount to spiteful and sociopathic vandalism, because of the obstinate and smug ways you have responded to EVERY one of the objections other people have made to you in EVERY episode of VERY extensive activity in such MASS alteration of HUNDREDS of pages, of which I am currently familiar.
Knowing well the limits of my own time, and that of others, and the extent of my involvement with some more urgent and important matters, I do not suppose that this repudiation will immediately occur, with anything close to the strength I believe it SHOULD, but I am confident your attempts to IMPOSE a relatively obscure, widely REJECTED, largely ABANDONED, aesthetically DISPLEASING, and grammatically RIDICULOUS, 19th century style convention will eventually be REJECTED and REPUDIATED here, and the obnoxiously arrogant way which you have sought to IMPOSE it by quite SPECIOUS arguments, repudiated and censured, though unlike some petty and presumptuous people might for disagreements with them, I personally would NOT seek to have your adminship rescinded over this editorial and tactical matter, though, I obviously consider it one of your worst breaches of anything resembling proper respect for wiki principles which were designed to MINIMIZE authoritarian IMPOSITIONS of ANYONE, on the options and styles which could be developed.
I will also note that you apparently did not read, understand or are deliberately ignoring the assertion I made in bold in some of the statements above this one:
My objections to what I believe to be your generally UNDESIRABLE and NON-STANDARD forms of NEEDLESS additions of punctuation marks is NOT in any way a rejection of genuinely USEFUL and appropriate punctuation marks.
I thus believe that I had stated rather clearly that I do NOT have and NEVER have had any objection to the proper and standard use of periods at the end of grammatically composed sentences, I simply have very strong objection to their use to NEEDLESSLY terminate simple information lines, which is just as UGLY and UNUSUAL in MOST compendiums of quotations as a similar 18th and 19th century style which was never universal and eventually abandoned nearly everywhere, of ending nearly all book titles, chapter titles, section titles and poem titles with periods. (I had originally written a similar statement with a somewhat more accusative stance, but toned it down a bit: Your apparent will to confuse my objections to your UNDESIRABLE and NON-STANDARD forms of NEEDLESS additions … etc.").
Your asinine mockery of my objections AS IF they stemmed from some asinine objections to proper punctuations does have some merit, as the permit me to repudiate some of their mendacity or other errors with truth: AS an absurdist I do perceive MANY forms of illusory and needless limits and attempts by various forms of ignorant and confused cowards and fools to impose limits on others to either apparently "prove" their assumptions of "superiority" or to plainly testify of some of their disadvantages relative to themselves, and to keep them in states of such disadvantage, fear and deference as MANY forms of cowards and fools REQUIRE to FEEL safe — even as they go about damaging their own safety and integrity and that of others. ~ Kalki·· 15:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I once again have to be leaving, but I see you are continuing your despicable spree of what I believe is clearly vandalism and obnoxiously aggressive assault AGAINST style standard which have been he clear preferences of MOST people who have worked on this project for over a decade. I can even conceive that you might be quite smugly proud of yourself, aware of your apparent impunity amidst the apathy or timidity of others to speak out against your current activities. You have already revealed a great deal of your character or lack of it, by the increasing severity and injustice of your actions over the last couple of years. I realize that, like most people you think well of yourself and your own inclinations, and you might even imagine me to be far more ignorant and confused about many matters than I actually am. There are quite a few things more I intend to say upon these matters, eventually, when I believe it is appropriate, and I will simply state now, that despite the extent your actions irritate and sometimes anger me, I truly pity you. Though I recognize you have done MUCH that is GOOD, I assert that you have behaved extremely disgracefully in this matter — and that is not something that will soon be forgotten. Even though the wisest of people must forgive all manner of things far worse, and pardon much in making their assessments of how to proceed among people ruled by various errors and delusions, especially those who clearly have either innate or socially developed impediments and obstacles to genuine moral and rational integrity, there does come times of harsh revelations, when people at last can perceive things in broader and deeper ways than they are normally constrained to perceiving them. I might say more on this matter soon, or very little — I do have many more urgent and important matters to attend to than observing your manner of disgracing yourself, or disputing with someone who clearly is unwilling to heed rational objections to imposing dictatorial measures on others. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 21:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC) + tweak
Actually, most of what I am doing now is changing [[Image: links to [[File: links to avoid redirects, but there is indeed some punctuation mixed in with that. I think you are mistaking people for being apathetic when the truth is that they just don't care. BD2412 T 21:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Could you please attend to this?Edit - Here, it shows one support, and two opposes. I don't know if you can count Pmlineditor's vote since the vote ended on September 6, 2014 and he voted on the 13th. Anyways, thank you. --Goldenburg111 22:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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