Nvvchar

Welcome

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First articles

My first two articles here are C. Rajagopalachari and Ramanuja. I have also added some quotes to J.R.D. Tata and Vivekananda articles till date.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

I thank you for all the recent articles on major figures and subjects of Indian culture — especially those which deal with aspects or advocates of Vedanta philosophy, which I have long admired as profound and wise. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 14:04, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Mantra

Interesting page. The reason the audio files weren't working there before is because Wikiquote didn't have Template:Listen, which I've just imported from Wikipedia. It seems to be working now. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if that helped or not with others, but when I went to play the file in Safari, on my (relatively new and still relatively clean) Mac OS X system, it wouldn't, though it would play in Firefox. I had to install the XiphQT module mentioned on w:Wikipedia:Media help (Ogg) to get it to play in Safari, which it now does, after restarting Safari. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 12:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Sufism

I appreciate some of the additions to the Sufism page, but I will be removing at least one, because though it is currently cited in the Wikipedia article, it seems merely a promotional blurb at a website. I intend to a little bit more work to reformat and properly place a few of the others, because the quotes should be arranged in the article alphabetically by author, not simply added to the page in quite the way you have done at this point, because the work you are sourcing to seems to be Sufism and Bakhti : A Comparative Study (2004) by Md. Sirajul Islam — and I will reformat a few of the quotes to provide some examples of the general structure of pages as we generally arrange them here. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 10:12, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I just finished the changes to your edits. I retained all of the quotes save the one I commented out because it seems merely a blurb, and with slight reformatting placed them by author, alphabetically. Thanks for the additions, and I am sure a similar statement to the one I commented out could be found in some published source. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 10:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Odissi dance

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Odissi dance, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 12:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for adding quotes. The prod-nomination has been removed. -- Mdd (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Endurance

Thanks for creating the article on Endurance. I just did a minor tweak after I noticed that you had added self-referential links in the headings, which weren't needed. I have posted a blank example of the layout I normally use on large theme pages, and expect to use more often in coming months, at User_talk:Kalki/Chalkboard. Blessings ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 11:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

I wish to than you for the many theme articles you have been creating lately. I have long realized theme articles were lacking here, and intended to eventually make many more myself, but it is good to see others doing this, and thus helping to provide a broader base of ideas for others to draw upon, in developing their own. You have already created many articles I would certainly never have gotten around to creating, despite having long-standing interests in some of the subjects. By such diverse efforts the base of clear facts, good humor and eternal wisdom which Humanity can encounter are gradually increased. Blessings. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 14:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I just did a few minor edits on the Anathema page, after noticing a couple of errors, including one of a citation error. I probably won't bother it further today. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 15:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject

Hi Nvvchar. I see that you edit a lot of Indian Articles. So I was thinking if you would like to join Wikiquote:WikiProject Weekly Cleanup? --~~Golden_burg111 21:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

You can work on Periyar E. V. Ramasamy? The article needs cleanup. --~~Golden_burg111 22:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, you can add yourself, on the wikiproject, under "Members". --~~Golden_burg111 14:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Oṁ Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ

I am not accustomed to giving out such tokens of appreciation as the barnstars are, and I believe this is perhaps actually the first time which I have done so, but your contributions in adding concepts of Hinduism and Indian philosophy and culture, especially such fundamental notions as Karma deserve special praise. I might get into the habit of doing such things more often, because there definitely has been an increase of very actively contributing people here lately, for which I am very grateful. I have now actually created a closing statement for some of my comments, which uses a link to both Dharma and Karma pages, as well as other notions I have long perceived as important ones: So it goes… ⨀∴☥☮♥∵ॐ … Blessings. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 15:44, 7 March 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

Oṁ Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ.

Yoga

In this Little Thing I saw three properties. The first is that God made it, the second is that God loveth it, the third, that God keepeth it. ~ Julian of Norwich

I thank you MUCH for your creation of the page for Yoga‎‎, and your recent one on Annie Besant as well. I had long recognized the need for such pages, but had not yet created them, due to other aims and involvements. There are many ironies at work in the world, in many ways, and that is one of the discernments of many who have long been aware of such often respectfully subtle movements as Agni Yoga, and those initiated by George Gurdjieff and perhaps, some believe, by such figures as Giordano Bruno and other mystics.

In regard to one of these, which I know many have not been very aware of, I will be moving at least some of your very worthy additions on the need of greater and broader awareness and appreciation of ethics generally from the Ethical movement page to Ethics, because that page is one that has been created for writings or comments related to a more formal range of alliances long known as "Ethical Culture."

In this case, I deferred to the Wikipedia page title format, though I personally preferred the slightly more formal "Ethical Culture" so as to differentiate better between the official though relatively informal organizations of Ethical Culture societies and the more general movements which are apparent among some in the world towards more pluralistic and humanistic alliances among individual human beings, and even among many organizations largely based specifically on various mystical and religious insights, indications or revelations. In western societies the Ethical Culture movement, as well as a few others was a significant seed-nucleus of aware and appreciative human beings towards such trends, as currently are continued by such alliances as those of the Unitarian Universalists and some of the more humanistic alliances that are not actually scornful of the real worth of much traditional and ancient lore, as some have rather ignorantly become (often as fanatically obsessed with finding apparent or actual flaws or deficiencies in nearly all traditional faiths as some of the more zealous bigots among many traditional faiths have long been in finding flaws in each others paths). Those who are wisest among all the traditional and untraditional paths are not oblivious to the flaws and deficiencies of many existing paths, but know that among ALL the named or unnamed paths of human choices, those of very narrow and exclusive bigotry, by whatever names they go, or whatever causes they ostensibly seek to serve, are ever and always among the most flawed and deficient. The wisest believe and have confident faith that despite some people's desperation to embrace many forms of bigotry, towards violent oppressions and tragic aims, the trends of humanity, overall, are against that. So it goes… ⨀∴☥☮♥∵ॐ …Blessings. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 09:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Materialism

Many thanks for your recent additions to the materialism article, and your many recent contributions to biographical and thematic articles. Your must have noticed, I did make some editorial changes in the selection of the parable ‎article and now in the materialism article, and explained on the talk page. I hope you further take this into consideration, and if you have some further questions please let me know. -- Mdd (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

As to the way of illustration, you seem to have adopted a "liberal way of illustration." This kind of illustrating is being questioned a long time (see for example [1], [2]). In short it is argued, that this way of illustration is not according to the "more restricted" Wikiquote:Image use policy adopted about two/three years ago (more or less in response to this practise). If you're interested, you can read much more about it in the accompanied talk page(s). -- Mdd (talk) 12:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

New page listing

Before adding an article to the new page listing at the main page, please first create the article, and add at least one quote to the article. -- Mdd (talk) 15:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Nvvchar, I noticed today again you added the article to the main page, before actually creating the article. See log:

(change visibility) 13:28, 15 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+20)‎ . . Template:New pages

(change visibility) 13:44, 15 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,799)‎ . . N Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma ‎ (Created page with "Maharajah of Travancore.]] Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma| Uth...")

Please (again) keep this in mind. -- Mdd (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Question

Looking at your latest edits (see below) really made me wonder:

(change visibility) 13:12, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+18)‎ . . User:Nvvchar ‎ (→‎New articles) (current) [rollback more than 10 edits]

(change visibility) 13:11, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+35)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism: rearrange) (current) [rollback 1 edit]

(change visibility) 12:08, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+262)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism)

(change visibility) 12:05, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,641)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Islam)

(change visibility) 11:54, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,066)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Zorashranism)

(change visibility) 10:34, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,681)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Jainism)

(change visibility) 09:25, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,182)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Buddhism)

(change visibility) 09:03, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,580)‎ . . Adoration ‎

(change visibility) 08:35, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,011)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism)

(change visibility) 08:27, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,916)‎ . . Adoration ‎

(change visibility) 07:45, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+4,293)‎ . . Adoration ‎

(change visibility) 07:04, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+24)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Blessed Mother Teresa gives 22 reasons to sign up for a Holy Hour of Eucharistic Adoration!)

(change visibility) 07:03, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,099)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Blessed Mother Teresa gives 22 reasons to sign up for a Holy Hour of Eucharistic Adoration!)

(change visibility) 06:36, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+5,239)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Christianity)

(change visibility) 05:59, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,969)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Quotes)

(change visibility) 05:23, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+5,863)‎ . . N Adoration ‎ (Created page with " The Adoration of the Shepherds, the picture at the Palais des Beaux-Arts in Lille Adoration (w:Latin lan...")

(change visibility) 04:43, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . Template:New pages ‎ (current) [rollback 1 edit]

First you added a red links to the main page, half an hour before you actually created the article, while I asked you not to twice. But the funny thing is, that you start the article and improve it significantly, and then you add the article to your own user page. Why is that? Why not also add it to your user page in advance? Or even more important, why not grant my request, and add the article to the new pages listing after you finished it? -- Mdd (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

You have raised a technical issue in my creating the articles starting with a redlink in the main space, and after completing it listing it on my user page. I have been following this procedure for the last nearly four months but nobody pointed this as a wrong procedure earlier. Is your objection to my creating articles and expanding stub articles or is it on the procedural aspect? Pl clarify. In case the procedure is to corrected let me know the correct procedure. I am not comfortable with the sandbox procedure.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

There are indeed some procedural issues. You contributions are without any doubt impressive and very well appreciated, yet they interfere with the regular quality standards on some minor points:

• Regarding to the main page listing of new articles: Articles are listed after they have been created and (according to me) preferable after they have initially been further developed. In the above example listing Adoration at the new page listing at 13:12, would be just fine.
• Regarding to biographical article: They should at least have one quote by the person accompanied with a stub tag. Just one or more quote about the person (such as here) is not enough and can initiate a prod procedure.

I hope I have made myself clear here, if not please ask. -- Mdd (talk) 14:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Mdd, thanks for the clarification. Can I start the article first with a redlink in my user page, and after it is substantially expanded transfer it to the main page? In the case of creating articles in sandbox I had problems with transferring it to main space in wikipedia and had to seek help of an Admn to do the transfer. Also, my other collaborators in Wikipedia wanted their contributions retained in the main article. Hence we discontinued creating articles in sandbox page. Hence my preference is to create with a redlink from my user page. Incidentally, do you have any objection to my adding quotes to the stub or other articles created by you? --Nvvchar (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

You have multiple options here:

• You can start an article with a red link on your userpage.
• You can also, before starting an article, make a (red) link in any particular article, if the term is already present in Wikipedia.
• You can also search for the term, using the search function, and then the Wiki program asks you if you want to create the article.
• And, you can make a sub-user page, and then move the article. For example I just created User:Mdd/Test, and then moved it to User:Mdd/Test moved.

You could give it a try with User:Nvvchar/Test, and try moving it. It should be mo problem.

17:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thiruvananthapuram

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Thiruvananthapuram, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Date of publication

Hi Nvvchar, could you add the year of publication in the source info. It is missing in your recent edit, and I noticed it before. -- Mdd (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 14:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Nvvchar, just after this prod-nomination you added a bunch of quotes. Could you next time please first added quotes before saving a new article. If this is not possible, start the article in a sub-user page, for example User:Nvvchar/Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma, and move it when ready. -- Mdd (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Timbuktu

Wow! Thanks for your improvement and edits here! Very much appreciated, ~ --~ Golden_burg111 17:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Kamal Haasan

Hi, can you clean this up? Not feeling very comfortable with this project. Vensatry (talk) 10:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for working sir. It looks so different :) —Vensatry _(Ping) 11:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, can you create an article on Tiruchirappalli? —Vensatry _(Ping) 14:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Mirra Alfassa

Hi Nvvchar, the Mirra Alfassa article you just created has raised some serious concerns:

• About the intro of that article: In UDScott's words "... we usually do not include so much in the intros to pages. Usually we limit it to one or two sentences and let the user click through to WP if they want to see more... UDScott 14:01, 17 August 2009"
• About the one (not that reliable) source used in the Quotes section: All 28 quotes seem to be copy/pasted from the searchforlight.org. Those article don't mention the author or date published and don't seem very reliable. There are some significant books which could be used instead
• About the number of data used from that one source, which seems to be about 50%. For example the first source Birth and Girlhood and the six quotes you took from it. Here there seem to been taken almost all quotes listed in that article, and the comments added are also almost literally taken from that source. In total there is copy/pasted almost 50% of the article, which I think is not fair.
• The source info at the separate situation is incomplete.

Overall there seems to be the situation, that the searchforlight.org published a series of 6 articles about Mirra Alfassa. And now most of the quotes and a lot of the comments, are copy/pasted here. This might have been a good idea at first, but I think the result is not fair. -- Mdd (talk) 12:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hi! Mdd.

Here are my views on your above observations.

• The into or lead should reflect very briefly (may be not more than 10 lines) the contents of the quotes and should not be one liners, particularly for important biographical and thematic articles. May be Ok for Geographical articles. This can be discussed in a forum.
• The four references of searchforlight.org which I have used are from the Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust, Pondicherry, which is an internationally renowned organization in spiritualism who have published numerous books on the subject and also on Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. They are most reliable references. Since you wanted book reference to be provided I have done so and all most all the quotes have google book urls shows that the four references I have used are in order and their use is justified. I may also mention the Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust has recorded a total Combined Group Sites 5,685,0885.6 million hits, as mentioned here [3].
• If you still have reservations you may like to put it up for an opinion of Admn.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, and thanks for taking some action in the Mirra Alfassa article, but I keep my reservations. Since we are dealing with multiple issues here, I will take it one at the time (and eventually we could ask the community for feedback). -- Mdd (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Size of the into/lead

You might have noticed, I trimmed down the intros of the following articles (you created) to 1 to 3 lines: Puranas, Amen, Lent, James Braid, Hypnotism, Panaji, Salvation, Bhubaneswar, Ganges in Hinduism, Rajiv Gandhi, Prakriti, Maya, Hyderabad, Shakti, Carnatic music, Xenophobia, Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma. And I would like to proceed to trim down all of the 140+ articles you created. Now first:

• When in 2009 UDScott explained, see here "... we usually do not include so much in the intros to pages. Usually we limit it to one or two sentences," he was referring to the biographical article in general.
• Now if we take a look at the size of the intro of the (longest) biographical articles:

1. ‎Barack Obama, 5 lines
2. Søren Kierkegaard, 1 line
3. Martin Luther King, Jr., 2 line
4. Abraham Lincoln, 2 lines
5. Albert Einstein, 3 lines
6. John F. Kennedy, 1 lines
7. Theodore Roosevelt, 1 line
8. Thomas Jefferson, 1 line
9. Noam Chomsky, 1 line
10. Bertrand Russell, 2 lines

We can see that the average size of the intro is 2 lines

• Now it is common practice, that when there is a general idea about the size of the introduction (as explained by UDScott), and there is a common practise (as we can see here), users don't need explicit community approval to restore/uphold the regular practice.

Second, you now expressed you obviously have your own guideline (into or lead... [with] not more than 10 lines), which you consistently put into practice. The 100+ articles you created have an average of 8 to 10 lines of introduction. It seems to me we are dealing with two contradicting guidelines:

I. We usually do not include so much in the intros to pages. Usually we limit it to one or two sentences

II. The into or lead should reflect very briefly, and may be not more than 10 lines

This has lead to two different practices, which has raised (my) concerns. I am concerned that this will be regarded as a new practice, and (also other) users will start following. If this exception will be allowed, all biographical/thematic articles can get introduction up to 10 lines.

Third, these longer introductions go against the philosophy, that Wikiquote is a website specialized in offering quotes, and links to articles which offer more information. With longer introductions the articles become stand alone entities, which comes with a price: You always have to scroll through the introduction to come to the core business.

Do you still think we should except your contradicting guideline? -- Mdd (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for the long clarification. I will limit my intro to less 3 or 4 lines in future.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for putting this into action. I would like to add, that there are several positive aspects of short introductions, and in not aiming for "stand alone" articles, but more interactive lemma's. For example:

• It stipulates the importance of linking back and forth to the corresponding Wikipedia article
• Text which is used in the Wikipedia introduction, could/should be present in the most important sources about the specific subject, and that could possibly be ground for interesting quotes. Regarding this matter, it would be nice to have the most important sources listed in the lemma anyway...
• Every Wikiquote lemma can also be linked back and forth in Wikiquote itself. For example at the moment (see Pages that link to "Mirra Alfassa") the Mirra Alfassa stands alone in Wikiquote. When I create an article I always try to link it at least 3 to 10 other articles, see for example here... In doing so this sometimes can be an inspiration to create other thematic article, which you already known.
• Keeping up strict rules about the size of the lead, is a strong motivation to make a strict selection.
• The power and user ease of short introductions should not be underestimated. The most viewed articles are watch a 1000 times a day ([4]) but even with your own work ([5]), don't we want the readers to focus on the quotes?
• Maintaining a similar layout strengthened the Wikiquote identity...
• ....

I guess I could continue a little longer, but this might give you some more clues about the bright site. In a way I am inclusionist myself, and I can imagine that it hurts when you work is trimmed down (a little). As I am saying, I would like to proceed to trim down all of the 140+ articles you created, aiming to trim it down to an average of 2 lines. I hope you continue to trust me on that, and if I am done you could restore a line or two in some of the cases. -- Mdd (talk) 13:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will provide links with other articles. By the way which is the tool to measure the number of hits of an article? My articles in Wikipedia have registered a large number of hits with Swami Vivekananda getting 2.1 million hits --Nvvchar (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Such data can be found here and here. When you add a name and use the GO function, it automatically gives data for Wikipedia. For Wikiquote I normally change the web address directly (and type the name at the dots http://stats.grok.se/en.q/201404/...).

So, according to the stats.grok.se the Swami Vivekananda article is watched 50.000 times a month at Wikipedia, and 3.235 times at Wikiquote last month, where it ranked 338 (out of 23,461). Mdd (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

C. Rajagopalachari, Ramanuja and Adi Shankara

Hi Nvvchar, I made a significant number of changes to the these three articles, and have tried to explain every step in the edit summary. If you have any questions, please let me know. -- Mdd (talk) 22:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Amit Shah

Hi Nvvchar, could you comment on the proposal at Talk:Amit Shah, thank you. -- Mdd (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Nvvchar

Hi Nvvchar,

Could you explain to me, why you are adding incomplete source info to the lemma's you are creating. For example in the Tranquility article you just started:

• It is in your power to withdraw yourself whenever you desire. Perfect tranquility within consists in the good ordering of the mind, the realm of your own.
  • Marcus Aurelius, in Treasures of love & inspiration 1993, p.278

For example, we compare this notation to notation of the sources in your w:Vivekananda article:

• Adiswarananda, Swami, ed. (2006), Vivekananda, world teacher : his teachings on the spiritual unity of humankind, Woodstock, Vermont: SkyLight Paths Pub, ISBN 1-59473-210-8 

We can some main differences:

• The book title is not in italics
• No mentioning of the publisher
• The book title and publishing date are added together and not split.

It seems you have created an abbreviated style here on Wikiquote, and I wonder why? -- Mdd (talk) 11:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

• I was initially using the complete format used for book referencing as here [6]. But at some stage it was suggested to me that I should reduce the referencing details. I have no problem reverting back to to the old format. --Nvvchar (talk) 12:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I noticed you have improving with you latest edit:

• Ecclesiastes (12:13-14, in An Introduction to Judaism, Cambridge University Press, 2000, p.197

But can it be something like this?

• Ecclesiastes (12:13-14), in: Nicholas Robert Michael De Lange, An Introduction to Judaism, Cambridge University Press, 2000, p. 197

Just for the record there are 6 changes, including: local link, author(s), the title in italics, and the external link limited to just the book. -- Mdd (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the adjustments you are making. In looking for some more background info of the different "normal" citation styles, I found this overview. Personally I am no fan of citation templates, because then writing really started to feel like programming. Personally I most value that some of the source data is in italics, because (if I am not mistaken) the text in italics tells us the independent medium in which the data is published. That is why book title are in italics, and not the titles of article, but the medium (book or journal) in which the article is published. -- Mdd (talk) 22:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Even in Wikipedia the citationstools used vary widely from user to user. I also used the sfn tool a lot. Thanks for suggesting the changes in the referencing method. I like it.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Futurism and Futures studies

Hi Nvvchar, thanks for your latest edits to the Futurism article, which I moved to create the new Futures studies lemma., to make the similar division as made in Wikipedia. -- Mdd (talk) 10:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Trivialism

Many thanks for your additions to the page on Trivialism‎‎, which I believe is an important one to develop, despite my current state of being too busy to do much here. Just giving thanks, as I prepare to take on other tasks for much of the next couple days. I expect to have time to only make brief appearances here, and wish to note that I believe your additions tempered the page well. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 16:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

sourcing

Hi Nvvchar.

You often cite quotes from books that are compilations of quotations, which is fine, but in those cases it's important to make clear that the person you're quoting didn't write said books.

You can do this by adding "as quoted in", or just "in", like so: * quote, ** Shakespeare, in A Thousand Beautiful Sayings (2005), p. 15.

Thanks, and cheers. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:16, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Khuswant Singh

Hi Nvvchar, you might want to take a look here. -- Mdd (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I redirected the lemma, closed the deletion request and merged the content into the other lemma. -- Mdd (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for merging the original artcile. I have fixed the missing reference in the original text.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:09, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:New pages

Hi Nvvchar, the Template:New pages is developed to show all new pages, which are listed here, which unfortunately doesn't happen all the time. Now I wonder if you would be prepared to list other new articles as well, if you add your own articles to the listing? It would be great if you could help out with this standard maintenance. -- Mdd (talk) 15:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I always post my new articles under new pages. However, I don't post the articles which I improve very substantially on the new pages. I also started collected quotes for Question some time back. As you have started the article, I have now added my collection of quotes.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much snake oil

Thank you for your helpful additions to snake oil, much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Chola temples in Bangalore

Hi sir, I don't know if you're active on en.wiki. A few days ago I dropped a message on your talk page regarding the above mentioned topic. Look forward to your reply. —Vensatry _(Ping) 17:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

May you have a great Republic Day!

I used your suggestion for a quote related to Republic Day, for 16 January 2015 QOTD and worked in a bit of reference on this being the first occasion of a U. S. President being there for the celebrations. I hope you like the layout. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳]User:Kalki/Vox Box|☶⚡ 00:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

@Kalki: Thanks, Kalki. Excellent lay out of images and very appropriate QTD for 26 January. Obama is currently treated in India like a Shahanshah, an Emperor. I am going slow on Wikiquote (one or two articles a week) as I am now collaborating with another w:User:RedtiverXYZ on creating articles on 86 Upanishads out of 108, those which do not have articles yet in Wikipedia. You may like to read or review some of them in the DYK page starting with the article w:Kaivalya Upanishad from 11 January 2015 onwards. 12 articles have been posted so far and more are in the anvil.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Editorial comments on Shibboleth

Thanks for your contribution Shibboleth. I have some comments I am sharing in the hope of improving the quality of future contributions.

• Bible quotes should be cited as <Book> <chapter>:<verse> (<translation>)
• Redlinks should be avoided; when proofreading your contributions, make sure all links work
• Whether or not a period at the end of each citation is required is a disputed point, but I think we should at least be consistent within each article
• Some quotes, such as "The fish oil shibboleth ..." are only incidentally related to the article topic. What does this quote tell your audience about Shibbolehts? It seems to belong in an article on fish oil supplements. Merely the mention of the the article topic is not sufficient to merit inclusion in a theme article
• Definitions other than a brief definition in the introductory paragraph are out of scope for Wikiquote. See Wikiquote:What_Wikiquote_is_not#Wikiquote_is_not_a_dictionary
• I understand why you reproduced the incorrect spelling "grammer" from your source, but why have you have tried to create a link based on this spelling? To get a link to an article different from the text you wish to be displayed in your article, use [[x|y]] where x is the link and y is the text to be displayed, in this case, [[Grammar|grammer]]

In general, please proofread your contributions carefully to maintain high quality standards on Wikiquote. ~ Peter1c (talk) 15:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Editorial comments on Grammar

Thank you for your contribution Grammar. I have some editorial comments I am sharing in the hope future contributions can be of higher quality.

• Encyclopedic content is out of scope for Wikiquote. See Wikiquote:What_Wikiquote_is_not#Wikiquote_is_not_an_encyclopedia
• Again, some quotes are only marginally related to the article topic, or represent very specialized information unlikely to be relevant to readers seeking information on the article topic
• Regarding "I don't wish to go down to posterity talking bad grammar. Correcting the Hansard proofs of his last speech to Parliament." "Correcting the Hansard proofs ..." is not part of the quote. Additional information about the quote should always be on the source line.
• "[Grammar Day]]" you have an unmatched bracket
• I suggest creating a page Sanskrit grammar for quotes that are specifically related to Sanskrit grammar, and not of interest generally to readers seeking information about grammar, or at least dividing up your article into a section with general quotes about grammar and other sections that are more specialized
• "Traditionally, grammar has always been ..." has an unmatched bracket
• Fix redlinks
• Change in Contemporary English: A Grammatical Study is a book title, and should therefore be italicized, not in quotes. In fact, you are not even consistent about it, putting the title in some cases in quotes and in other cases in italics. Is consistency a Shibboleth?

Please proofread your contributions carefully to maintain high quality standards on Wikiquote. ~ Peter1c (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for creating an article of Baba Amte on Wikiquote

Thanks a lot for creating the article of Baba Amte on Wikiquote. :) -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 07:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Request cleanup of articles to meet Wikiquote quality standards

Dear Nvvchar, the articles you created would be helpful additions to Wikiquote, but they are not formatted correctly. Would you be willing to work more on your articles to bring them up to the quality standards for Wikiquote, and format them consistently with other articles? As it is, you have left behind a mess for the rest of the editors to clean up after you. Is that what you intended to do? Here are the resources you will need:

• Wikiquote:Manual of style
• Wikiquote:Templates

Best regards, Peter1c (talk) 17:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@Peter1c, I have just found a really nice quote added by Nvvchar in 2014. I find it unfortunate that such a contributor instead of being praised for their past work are being admonished for having "left behind a mess". Just my $.02. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback @Ottawahitech. I should have mentioned the specific articles rather than speaking generally. I appreciate the correction. Peter1c (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

And I appreciate you taking the time to consider the matter. Years ago I put pressure on someone who was an excellent contributor and ended up driving them away, and I never forgot the lesson I learnt. This is not the case here, but it would be nice to have other wikiquotians think before jumping in and criticizing the work of others, be it on talk pages, deletion discussions, or anywhere else.

Thanks again for your kind words, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi Nvvchar,

Just to let you know: I wanted to thank you for one of your contributions, but it appears that you cannot receive thanks for some reason. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I did it again, sigh.. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, what I meant to say is that I sent you a thanks notification for the second or third or 4th time, forgetting that one cannot send you thanks. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)