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Welcome, newcomers and baffled oldtimers! This is the place if you (a) have a question about Wikiquote and how it works or (b) a suggestion for improving Wikiquote. Just click the link above "create a new topic", and then you can place your submission at the bottom of the list, and someone will attempt to answer it for you. (If you have a question about who said what, go to the reference desk instead.)

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Confirmed Board Election CandidatesEdit

Hi everyone,

The 2021 Board of Trustees election opens 4 August 2021. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three week long call for candidates, there are 20 candidates for the 2021 election.

The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. The Board is expected to select the four most voted candidates to serve as trustees. Voting closes 17 August 2021.

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competences and diversity as a team. They have shared the areas of expertise that they are currently missing and hope to cover with new trustees.

How can you get involved? Learn more about candidates. Organize campaign activities. Vote.

Read the full announcement.


The Elections Committee

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 2Edit

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 2, July 2021Read the full newsletter

Welcome to the second issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

If you haven’t already, please remember to subscribe here if you would like to be notified about future editions of the newsletter, and also leave your username here if you’d like to be contacted to help with translations in the future.

  • Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review - Initial meetings of the drafting committee have helped to connect and align key topics on enforcement, while highlighting prior research around existing processes and gaps within our movement. (continue reading)
  • Targets of Harassment Research - To support the drafting committee, the Wikimedia Foundation has conducted a research project focused on experiences of harassment on Wikimedia projects. (continue reading)
  • Functionaries’ Consultation - Since June, Functionaries from across the various wikis have been meeting to discuss what the future will look like in a global context with the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Roundtable Discussions - The UCoC facilitation team once again, hosted another roundtable discussion, this time for Korean-speaking community members and participants of other ESEAP projects to discuss the enforcement of the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Early Adoption of UCoC by Communities - Since its ratification by the Board in February 2021, situations whereby UCoC is being adopted and applied within the Wikimedia community have grown. (continue reading)
  • New Timeline for the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee - The CRC was originally expected to conclude by July 1. However, with the UCoC now expected to be in development until December, the timeline for the CRC has also changed. (continue reading)
  • Wikimania - The UCoC team is planning to hold a moderated discussion featuring representatives across the movement during Wikimania 2021. It also plans to have a presence at the conference’s Community Village. (continue reading)
  • Diff blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff blog. (continue reading)

Thanks for reading - we welcome feedback about this newsletter. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Pages with template loopsEdit

I noticed there are thousands of articles in Category:Pages with template loops. How are these fixed? Cheers. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

It seems like it's {{Italic title}}. Let me see if I can fix it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
The problem appears to have been vandalism to the underlying {{Str ≤ len}} template, which was been reverted and protected. Although {{Italic title}} now appears to work correctly, it will take a while for the maintenance category to refresh. ~ Ningauble (talk) 23:29, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
So it seems we are again having an issue here (that is again causing a problem with the {{Italic title}}). Anyone know what the problem is this time? ~ UDScott (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
This time it was vandalism to the underlying {{Str len/core}} template, which was been reverted (same vandal) and protected. Hint: When inexplicable template failures occur, check recent changes in the Template namespace for changes to related templates. (I still think unregistered/unconfirmed users should not be allowed to edit templates.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

No central discussion on the Romanian Wikiquote?Edit

Hello. On the community space of the Romanian WQ, I found no equivalent to a central discussion page. Is it simply me not being able to find it, or is there no central discussion page on the Romanian WQ? Veverve (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: Per d:Q16503, it's located at q:ro:Wikicitat:Cafenea. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:34, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Thisarana AramaEdit

Thisarana Arama has been deleted and salted on Wikipedia. The current Wikiquote article appears to primarily be an advertisement. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Agreed - and I've proposed its deletion. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting CommitteeEdit

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1, 2021.

This Committee will have around 15 members. It is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation. You can read the full announcement here.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy starting from next week here. Please contact with questions. Best,Zuz (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Board Elections Postponed Until August 18thEdit

Hello, all.

As you know, the Board election was due to open on August 4th. Due to some technical issues with SecurePoll, the election must be delayed by two weeks. This means we plan to launch the election on August 18th, which is the day after Wikimania concludes.

For information on the technical issues, you can see the Phabricator ticket here.

You can also read this announcement in other languages here.

We are truly sorry for this delay and hope that we will get back on schedule on August 18th. We are in touch with the Elections Committee and the candidates to coordinate next steps. We will update the Board election Talk page and this channel as we know more. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Read-only tomorrowEdit


A maintenance operation will be performed tomorrow, Tuesday 10th August, at 05:00 UTC.

It will impact 17 wikis, and is supposed to last a few minutes. During this time, saving edits will not be possible. For more details about the operation, please check on Phabricator.

A banner will be displayed 30 minutes before the operation.

Please help making your community aware of this. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 02:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit Dispute at MahabharataEdit 2001:569:BF08:2200:5494:E242:6F06:BB0B 02:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

You provided no edit summaries explaining your edits. You have not started a conversation on the discussion page to work with the reverting editors to resolve their concerns. Coming to Village Pump is premature. See this Wikipedia article for a step-by-step guide to resolving edit disputes. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Butwhatdoiknow. Also I did provide explanation on my second revision. I will make a post on the discussion page. Note different IP but I am the original poster in this thread 17:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment notificationEdit

Here is a link to a RFC on Meta concerning all Wikimedia projects. Lionel Scheepmans (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct - Enforcement draft guidelines reviewEdit

The Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee would like comments about the enforcement draft guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). This review period is planned for 17 August 2021 through 17 October 2021.

These guidelines are not final but you can help move the progress forward. The committee will revise the guidelines based upon community input.

Comments can be shared in any language on the draft review talk page and multiple other venues. Community members are encouraged to organize conversations in their communities.

There are planned live discussions about the UCoC enforcement draft guidelines:

Wikimania 2021 session - 16 August @ 11:00 UTC - 11:45 UTC

Conversation hours - 24 August, 31 August, 7 September @ 03:00 UTC & 14:00 UTC

Roundtable calls - 18 September @ 03:00 UTC & 15:00 UTC Summaries of discussions will be posted every two weeks here.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

2021 Voting OpensEdit

Voting for the 2021 Board of Trustees election is now open. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three week long Call for Candidates, there are 19 candidates for the 2021 election.

The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. By voting, you will help to identify those people who have the qualities to best serve the needs of the movement for the next several years. The Board is expected to select the four most voted candidates to serve as trustees. Voting closes 31 August 2021.

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competences and diversity as a team. They have shared the areas of expertise that they are currently missing and hope to cover with new trustees.

Learn more about candidates. Learn about the Board of Trustees. Vote.

Read the full announcement.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 07:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello againEdit

Just I would like to say you all "hello", I'm back. I was remote from all Wikimedia related activities almost a decade due to health reasons, and need to catch up things at any range. Now I just want to say I'm very happy to see Recentchanges fairly busy with both names both familiar and new to me. Happy quoting and see you later. --Aphaia (talk) 14:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC) fully vaccinated

Welcome back! And I am happy to hear that you are doing better. It's nice to see a familiar name from when I first joined this community. Cheers! ~ UDScott (talk)

Template:Citation - disrupted?Edit

Hi, I was looking for citation templates to use within Wikiquote, and I came across this: Template:Citation. This page is confusing -- the content does not seem to match the title. Am I confused or is there something actually wrong with it? Could someone who is more experienced in Wikiquote take a look? Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 00:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your bringing this to our attention. Oh. My. It's a mess indeed. It must not be represented as such. Apparently something or more go wrong. Saddened, I can't figure it out. The lemma looks italicized mistakenly, a certain article is shown but oddly its article name isn't detected through search. Weird. Can anyone have a clue? Thanks. --Aphaia (talk) 03:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 Y Fixed. It was vandalism to the underlying {{Documentation/end box}} template, now reverted and protected. This has become a familiar recurring pattern of vandalism. (Hint: When inexplicable template failures occur, check recent changes in the Template namespace for changes to related templates.) And, welcome back. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you both for your quick action! Al83tito (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Japanese poets or Risto hot sir created articlesEdit

Hello, I'd like to ask you guys opinions how to deal with those articles in Japanese poets created by Risto hot sir who is now globally banned as cross wiki abuser. After giving a look to one third of those articles, I think I've got clues enough share with other editors for further considerations. Hope the below works food of thought of you.

At this moment my overview is "some should survive and be expanded, if they are no copyright infringement. The other might not be hoaxed but too obscure for us to expand and thus it is dubious if we would like them to keep as quotable quotes". Let me explain my concerns further:

Sorry for first, my response has come very late, which was raised in 2018 on my talk, as copied as below

Risto hot sir has requested that I ask the community about what should be done regarding the numerous articles listed under Category:Japanese poets. You will know what I mean after you read a few and start to see the trend. They are all a possible copyright violation, they are all of non-notable people who don't even have a Wikipedia article, they are all from one source and they all clog up this category. You can read more about this here, here, here, and here. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Scanning about ten of them, I tend to agree with JARNY but there are some differences between us, let us follow his standpoints,

  • "They are all a possible copyright violation": they could be so, specially "quotes about THE AUTHOR" smell not nicely.
  • "they are all of non-notable people who don't even have a Wikipedia article": we say happily no. Not only some of them are notable, but also some of them have their own Wikipedia articles, not only on Japanese Wikipedia, but also on English Wikipedia (e.g. Fukuda Chiyo-ni, she is actually a notable female poet, whose article had been on ENWP before the ENWQ article was created).
  • "they are all from one source": It is a concern indeed, specially in the circumstance we don't know how much amount of the original the cited quotes are taken. I am personally optimistic, but having no copy of the cited book, we cannot determine they are permissible as fair use.
  • "and they all clog up this category.": again a contend based concern, not legal one. We could relax here ... and here I strongly concur with JARNY. Even at this moment, with ten reviewed articles, I found only one genuine poets (whose main notability stands on their poetry), Fukuda Chiyo-ni among their creations. Others are, even if they are somehow notable, known as of their different occupations, and might recite poems occasionally. We have no clues if those lines are just a part of their enormous poetical works or one and all known their poetry in their entire lives. Since death poems were a century-long tradition in Japan, reciting a notable death poem doesn't mean they were known as poets. For example, imagine a a WW2 field general left a death poem and these verse has been notable, but it isn't same he regularly made poetry, nor he has been considered as a poet and military personnel, not mere a serviceman.

I tend to like keep some "notable" authors' articles though, still copyvio possibilities are concerns. Also on some minor authors. Some of those Japanese haven't been found in reliable sources like Japan National Diet Library Database, "Web authorities", which means they might have left no writings in Japanese. They seems not to be hoaxes, as cited quotes, but I think we should take this possibility into account: creating a hoax mixed with real genuine material is a well known modus operandi, and I have known some young and immature editors had done so even from their good will across Wikimedia project.

Risto hot sir's creation is not limited to Japanese poets, and I hope we will be able to build a paradigm, or if the community has known such already, please let me share :) Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey will happen in JanuaryEdit

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Encouraging wider participation from historically excluded communities

@SGrabarczuk (WMF):
I would say the first thing that needs to change is WMF must start to listening to the feedback it gets from audiences in those "excluded communities". This posting is a perfect example: I have been trying to engage in conversation about the wishlist here at the wikiquote village pump for a long time (you'll have to check the view history link), but it seems that WMF employees do not participate in discussion here. Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech do you only mean last week when you were waiting for my reply while I was creating documentation for the next CWS, or do you mean something else? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
As I said, I have been trying to ask questions on wq-vp (wikiquote village pump) for a long time Ottawahitech (talk) 16:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
oops forgot to ping @SGrabarczuk (WMF) Ottawahitech (talk) 21:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, unfortunately it's easier now for me to ask questions rather than dig through the history... Anyway, WMF staff don't proactively follow all communication channels. There are too many of them. But as you can see, pinging works! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@SGrabarczuk (WMF),<offtopic> Good to see that you get the pings sent to you from WQ, I hope to get your posted response to WQ-VP (wikiquote's village pump) when you come back from your holiday vacation. BTW is there a page somewhere that tells wmf-users when WMF employees are not available due to time off (something like opening hours for a store or a bank)?</offtopic>
Here is my first question
Re: Encouraging wider participation from historically excluded communities:
Wikiquote is one of those "historically excluded communities" where the wishlist survey is concerned. I will venture a guess that the majority of users who participate in building quote articles on WQ have never even heard the term wishlist survey, and if they did they don't know anything about it: what is its purpose, how does it work or whether they truly have a say in any of the hundreds of proposals it handles.
In my opinion, if the WMF was truly interested in feedback from "excluded communities" they would provide a better feedback link than the one offered currently which shoots users into a VERY poorly attended talkpage on META, where the participants are obviously already familiar with the topic and are merely busy offering tweaks to an old established project. How about providing a page for wikiquote users to discuss the ideas they have for possible improvements to the wmf-software? Preferably a talkpage that is newbie-friendly. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
  1. "Is there a page somewhere that tells wmf-users when WMF employees are not available due to time off" - there isn't, I think.
  2. "If the WMF was truly interested in feedback..." - I understand the problem you raise. Please bear in mind that you're talking to one team out of many in the WMF. So given our capacities, we are only able to organize a centralized Community Wishlist Survey and watch selected pages. It's impossible for us to commit to participation in concurrent discussions on many pages on many wikis. This is why we're inviting volunteers to promote the Community Wishlist Survey in their communities wherever they deem appropriate. Also, setting up a page here with basic information about the CWS and redirecting to Meta is an option. What do you think?
SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

2021 Wikimedia Board of Trustees Election ResultEdit

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2021 Board election. The Elections Committee has reviewed the votes of the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election, organized to select four new trustees. A record 6,873 people from across 214 projects cast their valid votes. The following four candidates received the most support:

While these candidates have been ranked through the community vote, they are not yet appointed to the Board of Trustees. They still need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. The Board has set a tentative date to appoint new trustees at the end of this month.

Read the full announcement here. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

RE: they are not yet appointed to the Board of Trustees
@Zuz (WMF), I assume the appointments have been finalized by now. Who are the current trustees? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech the current trustees are listed on this page. Regards, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@Zuz (WMF) thanks for providing a link to M:Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. I have a question in regards to Archive:Board of Trustees/Restructure Announcement Q&A (a link I followed from the bottom of the section Current members on the Meta page you provided): I was not aware until today that the board of trustees was restructured in 2008. Is there a page somewhere on a wmf-wiki or an independent news-article that explains why and how the board was restructured in 2008? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech I think the documentation you see on meta is all there is, but I am still looking around in case I find anything I will let you know. Regards, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee ending 14 September 2021Edit

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 14, 2021.

The Committee is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

English fluency is not required to become a member. If needed, translation and interpretation support is provided. Members will receive an allowance to offset participation costs. It is US$100 every two months.

We are looking for people who have some of the following skills:

  • Know how to write collaboratively. (demonstrated experience is a plus)
  • Are ready to find compromises.
  • Focus on inclusion and diversity.
  • Have knowledge of community consultations.
  • Have intercultural communication experience.
  • Have governance or organization experience in non-profits or communities.
  • Have experience negotiating with different parties.

The Committee is expected to start with 15 people. If there are 20 or more candidates, a mixed election and selection process will happen. If there are 19 or fewer candidates, then the process of selection without election takes place.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy here. Please contact strategy2030 with questions.

This message may have been sent previously - please note that the deadline for candidate submissions was extended and candidacies are still being accepted until 14 September 2021. Xeno (WMF) 17:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Server switchEdit

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community TechEdit

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As we have recently announced, we, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on September 15th, 23:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.



The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (first three points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

See you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:04, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Announcement of Major Resource for Quotation-CheckingEdit

I hope I will be forgiven a "shameless plug" that should be significantly helpful to Wikiquote participants. My book, The New Yale Book of Quotations, has just been published by Yale University Press. This is, at the least, a quotation resource on a par with the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, and it arguably surpasses those books in accuracy and thoroughness. Fred Shapiro —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2021‎

Extensive dialogue from television seriesEdit

I'm not sure if Jonas (TV series) fits the requirements for Wikiquote, it seems to me unlikely that this amount of dialogue is "quotable" in the usual sense, though doubtless there exist fans who can recite the entire series by heart. I would be grateful if a regular could take a look. Rich Farmbrough (talk) 13:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are right - there should only be 2 quotes per episode for a TV show of this length. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Movement Charter Drafting Committee - Community Elections to take place October 11 - 24Edit

This is a short message with an update from the Movement Charter process. The call for candidates for the Drafting Committee closed September 14, and we got a diverse range of candidates. The committee will consist of 15 members, and those will be (s)elected via three different ways.

The 15 member committee will be selected with a 3-step process:

  • Election process for project communities to elect 7 members of the committee.
  • Selection process for affiliates to select 6 members of the committee.
  • Wikimedia Foundation process to appoint 2 members of the committee.

The community elections will take place between October 11 and October 24. The other process will take place in parallel, so that all processes will be concluded by November 1.

We are very happy about the wide range of diverse Wikimedians that are running for the election and selection processes for the drafting committee of the Movement Charter! As the number of candidates is quite large and thus informing yourself about them might be a bit more complicated, we want to try something different this time: We want to organize a so-called “Voting Advice Application (or “Election Compass) with statements related to the Movement Charter. All candidates can propose their statements here.

For the full context of the Movement Charter, its role, as well the process for its creation, please have a look at Meta. You can also contact us at any time on Telegram or via email ( Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Suraj Sani, self-promotionEdit

Suraj Sani was proposed for deletion, but Prod was removed in this edit. The page looks like self-promotion. --MKFI (talk) 06:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up. Recognized prod contested, so it failed. On the other hand, on your concerns on self-promotion it falls on our speedy deletion categories (WQ:SD#Articles 4. "Unremarkable subject"). So I'm about to speedy it. The user who created and contested prod seems to have done no other activities than his self-promotion examining on global contribution log (upload photo and create this article and some similar activities on sister projects). --Aphaia (talk) 07:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Benjamin CremeEdit

I stumbled across this page. The second sentence reads: "He played a central role in making known the fact of the emergence of the World Teacher, Maitreya, and the Spiritual Hierarchy of Masters into the world." Do we have any reliable sources for these being widely accepted facts? - —This unsigned comment is by Slimy asparagus (talkcontribs) .

A good point - I've removed the statement and left the intro in a more neutral form. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Extraterrestrial lifeEdit

I really know nothing of Wikiquote policies, but this page seems off to me. I came here looking for a range of views on the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Even amongst Scientists there is no agreement so I was expecting differing views. I was also expecting some fringe views, but I feel that they have disproportionate representation on this page. I collected stats here:

Benjamin Creme 7 George Adamski & Desmond Leslie 5 Gerard Aartsen 5 Stanley Kubrick 4 Carl Sagan 2 Gene Roddenberry 2 Paul Hellyer 2 Arthur C. Clarke 1 Bill Watterson 1 Christiaan Huygens 1 Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1 Dr. Steven Greer 1 Ellen DeGeneres 1 Eric Idle 1 Felicia Hemans 1 Gillian Anderson 1 Guy Consolmagno Vatican Astronomer 1 H.G. Wells 1 Harry Harrison 1 Isaac Newton 1 Johannes Kepler 1 Joss Whedon 1 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky 1 Lewis Thomas 1 Murray Gell-Mann 1 Orson Welles 1 Pope Francis 1 Robert Salas 1 Rod Serling 1 Ronald Reagan 1 Wernher von Braun 1 Slimy asparagus (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, the authors and quotes' number seem disproportionate for me too. I don't have a copy now though, but Giordano Bruno must have said something on this theme IIRC ... anyway you are welcome to improve it. Be bold. --Aphaia (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


I was just wondering if WQ has an appendix namespace/feature like Wiktionary does? I just started the passport page, and one of the versions of the US passport has a quote per page on most of the pages. It doesn't really fit in that theme article since the quotes aren't about passports, merely contained in one; but it feels like they should be collected in one place (even if they are also osmoted to relevant theme and author pages where appropriate). I thought they were of interest to the project for two reasons: they are in an official government document, and those usually tend to not be so literary-minded; and some of them are abbreviated in a way that changes their context and therefore meaning. We are free to give a fuller context here (I'll note that some are from PD sources due to age, and others copyrighted ones, but none need be so long that we would be leaning on the limits of fair use as are commonly observed in the project). A few years ago I started a count of how many quotes the passport had at User:Arlo Barnes/Passport, but the edit that added sourcing was lost and would need to be redone in preparation for making the page -- if there is indeed a place for it. Arlo Barnes (talk) 10:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

At this moment WQ has no appendix namespace. You can check it on RecentChanges search filter easily. I have no strong opinion if we should do so or not, but at the first glance, it may fit WS more to archive an entire document? --Aphaia (talk) 00:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
As a federal document, it should be PD; so scanning it, redacting the parts I wouldn't want known to the world (:P) and uploading to Commons, then starting a transcription project at en-WS seems like a good idea; but that still leaves listing the 'expanded' quotes somewhere. Maybe I'll find a wikibook where it fits, or if nothing else keep it in my userspace here. Thanks. Arlo Barnes (talk) 23:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Alleged quotation by Philippe_PétainEdit

There's a bit of a mystery surrounding this alleged quotation by Philippe Pétain, former WWI hero and leader of Vichy France, while in enforced exile at Sigmaringen:

I am and remain morally your leader.
    Je suis et demeure moralement votre chef.

This quotation is not currently in Wikiquote, which is probably for the best (but could start out in a 'possibly misattributed' section).

Four articles at en-wiki (and a few at fr-wiki) contain this alleged quotation by Pétain. It has been present at fr-wiki since an IP added it without a source in 2006; since then, it spread to four articles at en-wiki (by me; self-reverted for lack of verifiability). Three published books in French contain the quotation; none came out before 2018, and some have language very close to the 2006 fr-wiki article. If authentic, this would be a striking quotation by Pétain that should be added to Wikiquote, but I'm still searching for a solid citation to it. A detailed explanation of this situation can be found at w:Talk:Philippe Pétain; and additional background can be found at the Wikipedia Resource Exchange. Interested parties are welcome to have a look, and quotation detectives are especially invited to contribute. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Most likely a fraudulent quotation added by the IP in 2006, which found its way into published books later. Follow the links above for details. Mathglot (talk) 07:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop ImprovementsEdit


Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on October 12th, 16:00 UTC on Zoom. It will last an hour. Click here to join.


  • Update on the recent developments
  • Sticky header - presentation of the demo version
  • Questions and answers, discussion


The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. The presentation part (first two points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to

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We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 15:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Learn how Movement Strategy Implementation Grants can support your Movement Strategy plansEdit

Movement Strategy Implementation grants now provide more than $2,000 USD to put Movement Strategy plans into action. Find out more about Movement Strategy Implementation grants, the criteria, and how to apply here.

Also, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee election is still ongoing. It would be great to increase community participation. If you haven't voted now is the time. Please vote here before October 24. Regards, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the vast length of discussion pagesEdit

While looking at a Wikiquote discussion page for the first time (for I didn't use it prior) I found that discussion pages are long. Very long. The page in question had 90 different sections and was much too long to read, and the same issue has appeared on many other discussion pages. Why are these pages left to be so long? 22:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that old discussions should be removed and forgotten? The problem as I see it with the current archiving mechanism for wiki-text talkpages is that once a topic is archived few are aware of it, and newcomers keep re-inventing the same wheel over and over.
I believe the wmf-foundation has been working for quite sometime on improving talk-pages. A few wmf-projects are currently used as guinea pigs for several flavors of the new reply-tool. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
  • By the way, I always wonder why topics on talkpages are not ordered in reverse chronological order (same for articles on WQ)?Anyone else? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community TechEdit

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We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will begin on 27 October (Wednesday) at 14:30 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.


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Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee membersEdit

The Movement Charter Drafting Committee election and selection processes are complete.

The Wikimedia Foundation has appointed two members: Runa Bhattacharjee (Runab WMF), Jorge Vargas (JVargas (WMF). The committee will convene soon to start its work. The committee can appoint up to three more members to bridge diversity and expertise gaps.

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Do Wikipedia editor policies apply here?Edit

My first foray into Wikiquote is confusing. I'm familiar with Wikipedia and its editor policies and guidelines. Do they apply here? In particular Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources? Platonk (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Platonk. I believe that WQ prefers to have the best possible sources for Quotes. Of course primary sources are allowed here, unlike enwiki. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Closing the comment period for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft GuidelinesEdit

Thank you for your continued comments and ideas on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines. Your responses have helped to build a stronger Universal Code of Conduct.

If you have not already provided your comments, now is the time as the drafting committee has been meeting to update the enforcement guidelines. The drafting committee wants to consider all comments as they make their updates. Please submit any comments by the end of November. The Committee hopes to finish its revisions before the end of the year, and the revised guidelines will be published as soon as they have been completed.

The next steps for the Universal Code of Conduct include conversations about ratification of the enforcement guidelines. There will be a conversation about ratification on Nov 29.

The Wikimedia Foundation will make recommendations to the Board of Trustees about the ratification of the guidelines in December. The recommendations will inform the next steps in the Universal Code of Conduct process.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community Tech: The future of the Community Wishlist SurveyEdit


We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on 30 November (Tuesday), 17:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.


  • Changes to the Community Wishlist Survey 2022. Help us decide.
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SGrabarczuk (WMF)
Is there anyway to view what happened at the Nov 30 online-meeting for those who missed it? right now I am gettng

Event Time Announcer - Event has passed

when I click the link. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Hey, my apologies, I'm answering a bit later than originally planned. I've been busy preparing for the Community Wishlist Survey. There's a lot to do before the holidays. I'm pretty sure I've put such info on wiki and wanted to copy and paste it but unfortunately, I don't see that edit anywhere in my global contributions :/ So again:
  1. One person asked if it was possible to extend the timeline to 4-6 weeks per phase. The team decided not to make such a huge change this year but we will continue improving our communication during the Survey.
  2. One person asked if it was possible for our team to grow and do more. Well, it's not up to us to make such a decision. Also, some projects that are originally submitted as wishes end up on other teams' plates.
  3. One person asked if we could prioritize projects aligned with the Wikimedia 2030 strategy explicitly. We answered that the Survey is part of the medium-term plan, and plans of a large scale may be explicitly aligned with the movement strategy. The Survey is aligned implicitly.
  4. We asked if we should make two leaderboards, one for projects within the scope of the Community Tech team, and one for project out of the scope. We wanted not to mark good proposals, which could be worked on by other teams, as "declined". The attendees were not quite convinced. After the meeting, the team decided to look for a middle ground.
  5. The attendees were also asking if the senior staff (leaders) are aware of/inspired by the results of the Survey. We answered that yes, we inform them about the results.
SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced articles in other languagesEdit

Wikiquote is a tremendous resource well above others, not only because it is community-based, but because it is sourced.

To my surprise this does not seem to apply to Wikiquote in other languages. By spot checks some languages like Swedish and Spanish seem mostly sourced, while e.g. Chinese seems largely unsourced.

Shouldn't there be a drive to raise the quality level of all language versions of Wikiquote?

-- 06:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

A drive to accomplish this originating from English Wikiquote would be unlikely to accomplish much, given the local communities of interest working on the projects for their own languages. BD2412 T 07:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
  • it is my understanding that locals are encouraged to be remain uninvolved in so-called Meta discussions. AND BTW I agree, Wikiquote is a tremendous resource well above others. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Why the SheSaid campaignEdit

To balance the representation of gender in the entries of Wikiquote.
To illustrate the situation, here are a few interesting figures

  • On the English Wikiquote main page on 6th of Oct 2020, in the Selected people section... 29 men are featured and only 4 women (check out the screenshot on the right...)
  • There are 233 women who have a featured article on either French or English Wikipedias... with no entry on the French Wikiquote check it out
  • There are 141 women featured article on the English Wikipedia with no wikiquote entry check it
  • There are 519 women listed on the French wikiquote check it and 3117 men listed check it out

C&P from Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how the linked query tool works. Can you generate the lists and post them to a subpage? BD2412 T 18:52, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
I believe the query was generated by @Anthere. I know Anthere is a very busy person, so may not react right away. Cheer, Ottawahitech (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Actually quite simple. You click on the link I provided. Then you click on the big blue button on the left hand side. This will launch the query so that you get the last results. That’s it Anthere (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Last year, there were 519 women listed. Now is 757 (check it)

A Wikiquotian who helped the WQ:Shesaid campaign has been globally blockedEdit

I happened to notice that one of the WQuotians who is a wikignome on this project has been globally blocked by a Steward (I think?). User: Kotkan lusija has provided tremendous help durig the campaign that added hundreds of articles about women to Wikiquote.

Can this issue be discussed anywhere on Wikiquote, without raising the ire of admins? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiquoteEdit

Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikiquote has been approved, if anyone is interested in helping to get that project up and running. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

This is a great initiative IMIO. I wish I could join it.
Does this Wikipedia:WikiProject have a userbox that members can display on their own user-pages? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Anyone can join it. I'll whip up a userbox this weekend. BD2412 T 20:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Article deleted (I think), and I can't find any information why.Edit

New editor here.

I stumbled upon this when I was bored and reading a piece by the Washington Post. The Wikipedia article was deleted, supposedly because Wikiquote already had an article duplicating the content, so a redirect was set up. When the redirect was set up, I clearly remember the Wikiquote article existing (and the redirect redirecting to the article), and I think it probably would've been deleted by the person who helped me with it if the Wikiquote article didn't exist. Later, I wanted to check it out, and I couldn't find any proof of the Wikiquote page's existence; there was nothing on the talk page, the article didn't exist and I couldn't find anything on

Sorry if I sound insane/strange; I'm just kind of annoyed at either my memory or whatever caused the page to be deleted without any logs and without any other clearly visible traces. I clearly remember the page existing, and there's an English Wikipedia redirect edited by an experienced user that I assume would've deleted it if it were broken.

So what happened to that page? Or is it just my memory?

SentientObject (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@SentientObject This is very interesting! Are you saying that List of political catchphrases existed on WQ sometime in the past? The wikipedia list seems to have been deleted in 2018, do you remember the last time you saw it here? Ottawahitech (talk) 01:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech Yes. I remember the last time I saw it was around the time I created the redirect was the around beginning of this month (1st Dec. 2021) SentientObject (talk) 01:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

The page is at Wikiquote:Transwiki/List of political catch phrases. There's also w:List of United States political catchphrases. --OlEnglish (talk) 09:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Dividing pages for vital articles into as many other smaller more specialized pages as possible.Edit

Most of the pages for wars use both idiosyncratic and chronological sections, which makes them resemble chapters of a history textbook more than they do any of the other Wikiquote pages, with the exceptions of Christianity and Covid-19. Would it be appropriate to add cleanup tags to that many vital articles, and if so, given how large and emotionally charged these topics all are, shouldn't we form some kind of task force to deal with this in a timely manner that avoids bias?
I'm also concerned that if the pages become too specific we will end up with a hundred pages for X historical event in Y country, but with a bunch of empty container pages for the actual historical events, which is not how any other collection of quotations is organized. Has anyone ever actually seen another collection of quotations with a section specifically for the Race and appearance of Jesus, or Racial policy of Nazi Germany, because if not, than maybe there's a reason they don't break down all their topics into particles. It's similar to having pages for each individual character in a work of fiction, which has happened before here with Dr. Who. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

What is the best way to use wikiquote?Edit

Search Wikiquote for “Search Wikiquote” in light gray type, enter the quotation in that box, and press “return.” You will see a list of articles containing the closest matches to the quote.The readers of Wikiquote are contributing to a free database of quotations that they are contributing to collaboratively. You can edit any entry right now by clicking the edit this page link, which appears at the bottom of every Wikiquote entry. The site is a W[/ i]ki, so anyone can edit any entry. for more recognised of wikiquote please visit [[1]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 06:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Upcoming Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees electionsEdit

The Wikimedia Board of Trustees is preparing a call for feedback about the upcoming Board Elections, from January 7 - February 10, 2022.

While details will be finalized the week before the call, we have confirmed at least two questions that will be asked during this call for feedback:

  • What is the best way to ensure fair representation of emerging communities among the Board?
  • What involvement should candidates have during the election?

While additional questions may be added, the Movement Strategy and Governance team wants to provide time for community members and affiliates to consider and prepare ideas on the above confirmed questions before the call opens. Community members can also organise local conversations during the call. You can find more information about this upcoming call for feedback here.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 12:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

How are disagreement about content handled on WQ?Edit

Earlier today I undid an edit by another Wikiquotian on an established content page and, as is my habit, I used an edit summary to try and explain why. On enwiki editors are encouraged to take disagreements to the article's talkpage, but I guess on WQ such discussions are handled on user talkpages, I think? Is this the most optimal way of resolving disagreements? I personally would rather not clutter my user talkpage with long content discussions for several reasons.

How do others feel about this? Anyones comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts on this are first that such discussion can certainly take place on the article's talkpage - so that others that look at that page can follow (or add to) the discussion. That being said, I also do not find an issue with having it at the user talkpage either - sometimes the other party wants to ensure that their comments won't be missed and prefers to address the other directly. In the end, I do not endorse any hard or fast rule about this. I would also comment that the original edit could have also been handled through the article talkpage - rather than simply remove the links as you did, perhaps you could have asked the question on the talkpage first and asked for some reasoning for their inclusion in the first place. Again, this is not required, but might have led to a better discussion in the first place. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Entry/Formatting problemsEdit

I seem to be encountering problems making an entry on a page.

An Asterisk comes up like thisː ̈
Two asterisks come up like thisː ̽

Some other keyboard characters aren't coming up correctly.

Is it a problem with my computer, or is it an issue with your system?

(I can't sign this because the characters don't work correctly.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wheatfromchaff (talkcontribs) 07:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wheatfromchaff: You are asking the same question I should have asked a long time ago. I have had the same problem several times, usually after visiting foreign wiki such as Wikidata. Ottawahitech (talk) 12:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

One route which takes me to a variety of Wikis, including "foreign" ones, is:
(1) When I click on a photo on a Wiki page, there's a blue "More Details" button at the bottom of the photo page;
(2) Clicking that blue button leads me to (amid other information) a section "File usage on other wikis" showing where else on Wikis the photo has already been used;
(3) Sometimes I click onto links for some/all the "other wikis" listed there, to see how a photo has been used in a Wiki. This takes me into a random "foreign Wiki" of some type.
I suggest, someone needs to identify how character sets are being changed across Wikis, and whether the root cause is due to a formatting glitch or actual vandalism. Can this be brought to the attention of a relevant administrative body dealing with Wikis generally? (I suspect they may already be aware of the problem.) Wheatfromchaff (talk) 06:19, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions needed on two pages on same topicEdit

We have w:2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest and w:2020 Indian agriculture acts two separate articles on the same topic that seems meaningful for Wikipedia. But, I wonder if we can have 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest and 2020 Indian agriculture acts two separate Wikiquotes pages for, as far as I can think, both of them will perhaps have the same quotes on the same topic, or not? Lightbluerain (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I think they can be merged into the acts page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
@Koavf, act wasn't as popular as the protest. And, I too think perhaps merging is the only option. Thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore is back!Edit

Please help translate to your language

You are humbly invited to participate in the Wiki Loves Folklore 2022 an international photography contest organized on Wikimedia Commons to document folklore and intangible cultural heritage from different regions, including, folk creative activities and many more. It is held every year from the 1st till the 28th of February.

You can help in enriching the folklore documentation on Commons from your region by taking photos, audios, videos, and submitting them in this commons contest.

You can also organize a local contest in your country and support us in translating the project pages to help us spread the word in your native language.

Feel free to contact us on our project Talk page if you need any assistance.

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Community Wishlist Survey 2022Edit

The Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is now open!

This survey is the process where communities decide what the Community Tech team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to submit proposals until the deadline on 23 January, or comment on other proposals to help make them better. The communities will vote on the proposals between 28 January and 11 February.

The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate them for you. Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees elections is now openEdit

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.

The Call for Feedback: Board of Trustees elections is now open and will close on 7 February 2022.

With this Call for Feedback, the Movement Strategy and Governance team is taking a different approach. This approach incorporates community feedback from 2021. Instead of leading with proposals, the Call is framed around key questions from the Board of Trustees. The key questions came from the feedback about the 2021 Board of Trustees election. The intention is to inspire collective conversation and collaborative proposal development about these key questions.

There are two confirmed questions that will be asked during this Call for Feedback:

  1. What is the best way to ensure more diverse representation among elected candidates? The Board of Trustees noted the importance of selecting candidates who represent the full diversity of the Wikimedia movement. The current processes have favored volunteers from North America and Europe.
  2. What are the expectations for the candidates during the election? Board candidates have traditionally completed applications and answered community questions. How can an election provide appropriate insight into candidates while also appreciating candidates’ status as volunteers?

There is one additional question that may be presented during the Call about selection processes. This question is still under discussion, but the Board wanted to give insight into the confirmed questions as soon as possible. Hopefully if an additional question is going to be asked, it will be ready during the first week of the Call for Feedback.

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MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 14:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

"See also" policy/guidelines? UDScott, Kalki & OttawahitechEdit

  • Re: See also * Famine * Hunger * Scarcity -- removed by User:UDScott
    Hello UDScott. Sorry for the confusion!
    1)If there is a policy page on the topic of the "See also" section, please let me know where to find it, as I have looked more than once with negative results.
    2)To explain, I put those three topics there because i believe they are very related/connected to the topic of Abortion. Apparently around 30,000 people die of hunger every single day of the week (mostly children under 14) due to scarcity of food or of money to buy it. Seems that many people who are researching Abortion on WQ, may not be aware of the problems of hunger/famine/scarcity - all of which are known to cause a huge amount of needless suffering. Unlike abortion those topics are generally not controversial or at least much less controversial. An abortion probably takes less than 30 minutes, while starvation may take years. It widely known that inability to get abortions can and does result in more children dying of hunger/malnutrition than would otherwise. It seems very, very cruel to let children die of hunger - especially in this world where tons of food (and birth control) sits rotting in warehouses. Even more when one considers the advancement of our technological & transport/distribution capabilities in the last 30 years - that would make it much easier than ever to end those horrors. It also seems that many very good, dedicated humanitarians, who are dedicated to outlawing abortions, apparently know little or nothing about hunger and famine.
    Also one could say that Wikiquotes is like a free cafe serving information. Adding relevant items to the menu, doesn't cost a cent, but can be very valuable in our 'customers' searches for information. When people say, 'I don't see how those topics are related to the topic', the most useful reply from my corner might be something like "and you won't see any relevance, unless and until you do further research & think about your findings'. People can't be forced to think of course, but it seems helpful for all editors so inclined, to encourage people to move in that direction.

    So en sum: Those three topics were placed there thinking they may be helpful topics of interest to some of the people visiting to read, learn and get a broad overview of the problem. Seems that better rounded, more thoroughly informed people will form more logical and helpful opinions & views, which are sure to lead us to more peaceful world. As Julian Assange has pointed out, we have to know the whole truth about issues to solve them. Lopsided views result in lobsided results.
    Not arguing or complaining, just explaining.
  • Obviously there appears to be some confusion on this topice so at your earliest convenience
    Please give a professional WQ bureaucrat's opinion/ruling ie guidelines for "See also" - if such doesn't already exist
    (and if something like that does exist, please excuse me for failing to find it). Thank you very much!

This may be of interest to Kalki also & Ottawahitech who have also undone some of my attempts to contribute to the "see also" section on other pages. Revised WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)WeNotMeC020 (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Thanks very much folks for your tolerance!

*Relevant Older discussions

  • Please avoid using "see also" sections to duplicate what already exists through the category system or through links in the quotations themselves. 02:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @ Why not duplicate what already exists through the category system? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • hi @ Thank you for expressing your view on the 'see also' links and for your cooperation with and concern for wikiquotes. It seems that many relevant topics/links are not easily found thru the category system. Relying solely upon the category system would be one way to slow the process of learning for many people. Why make it harder than it has to be? Why not make it kind and thoughtful with relevant links at the viewers fingertip, like items on a menu? If visitors understand the category system - and prefer that, it is a click away. Seems that the ~prime objective of making the existing vast pool of information available to as many as possible for the good of our world, seems to be helped by adding relevant links in "see also". Editors who have a deeper than average understanding of a topic, can help enrich WQ & serve the public by adding links to pages relevant to the subject (many of which are definitely not to be found found quickly by digging in the category system). "See also" can help some readers get a broader view of the topic much faster than they might otherwise. We want to help people learn by making the process as thorough and easy as possible right? Seems that we editors should do everything reasonable in our power to accommodate the massive range of visitors/readers from those who read very little to those who can't get enough to read, from those who are just learning English to those who speak it fluently. What do you think?
  • All that said, if there is a Wiki policy in place or consensus recorded and accepted by WQ management that regulates, forbids, or discourages using "see also" sections, please share it here. Thanks again for your participation & cooperation in this great endeavor!. WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
  • We should be: kind, thoughtful, passionate about getting it right, open, tolerant of different viewpoints, open to criticism, bold... and also cautious about changing our policies. The real struggle is not between the right and the left — that's where most people assume — but it's between the party of the thoughtful and the party of the jerks...

The primary issue is how seriously we take our chosen obligations to people in the developing world... Wikipedia as a readable product is not for us. It's for them. It's for that girl in Africa who can save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people around her, but only if she's empowered with the knowledge to do so...

WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)edited WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)removed dupicated text

@WeNotMeC020, I fixed the links to the userpages of the concerned users in your message. But, perhaps I didn't sign after I pinged them, they wouldn't get notified even now. So, you can ping them separately if you feel the need. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
This is very long. Can you tell me in one or two setences what this is about? —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I'll explain it:
Abortion Article
1. WeNot adds hunger, famine, scarcity, and starvation to the See also section of the Abortion article.
2. UDScott reverts, saying "Not sure what these topics have to do with Abortion - See also links should have some direct connection to a page's topic."
Abortion Talk Page
3. WeNot explains on the talk page.
4. Binksternet reverts, saying " revert off-topic sermonizing."
5. Stryknin reverts Binksternet, without edit summary.
6. WeNot removes talk page post, saying "Moved to 53 'See also' policy/guidelines? UDScott, Kalki & Ottawahitech"
7. WeNot posts here.
@UDScott, Binksternet, Stryknin: - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know that there is a policy page on WQ about this specific topic, but we have always limited this section to links to pages that are relevant to a given page. This is also how Wikipedia has always treated it ("The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number." from w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section). To have it any other way doesn't really make sense to me - the name itself implies that one should look at another page in addition to the one they are currently viewing because it bears some relevance. Otherwise, if the intent you have is merely to highlight interesting pages in which a reader might have some interest (but bear no relationship the current page) the section would appear to be misnamed. It is similar to other discussions about the placement of images on pages - we have maintained that any images placed on a page should have a relevance to the topic of the page. It is the same IMHO for links in the See also section - they should have a direct relationship to the topic as well. ~ UDScott (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
WeNotMeC020 would, no doubt, beg to differ. I do too (see WeNotMeC020's tl;dr post above: "inability to get abortions can and does result in more children dying of hunger/malnutrition than would otherwise"). That said, the relevance is too remote to justify adding the links to a Wikiquote article that consists solely of quotes about abortion (as opposed to, for example, a Wikipedia article discussing the effect of abortions). Note to WeNotMeC020: when adding a See also that is not clearly related to the article you would do well to include a snippet of text explaining the relevance. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @Butwhatdoiknow for summarizing this, and for your informative comments as well. Onward! WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @UDScott for the information & for your time. The information in the manual of style as well as your comments all sound very reasonable and are much appreciated! WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 5Edit

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