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Who said “We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give”? Who attributed it to Winston Churchill?Edit

We are assured by http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/135-quotes-falsely-attributed that this was not Winston Churchill. I have to admit it is not even all that interesting or well-constructed, just one of those warm and woolly things company communications departments seem to love. But since brainyquote.com (which appears to me a drivel dispenser) attributes it to him, it would be nice to have it refuted – or do they just make them up themselves there? --PJTraill (talk) 12:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Any website that collects unsourced quotations is bound to be unreliable. If you look at Wikiquote's Winston Churchill page, you'll find this quote already listed under the "Misattributed" section. It was (mis)attributed to Churchill in Never Give in: The Extraordinary Character of Winston Churchill (1995) by Stephen Mansfield, p. 224, and in many later publications, but the phrase itself goes back at least to the 1940s. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Is KJIVA appropriate for inclusion?Edit

I've come here via enWP, where there's a whole walled garden concerning this rapper (all articles are currently at AFD). I don't know what Wikiquote's inclusion criteria are, but perhaps somebody can have a look at KJIVA. (And I actually also don't know either whether this is the right place to ask this question, so apologies if this is the wrong venue). Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Kitty. Not really the right place to ask, but that's okay. I am already watching the Wikipedia discussions on this person[1] and related article farm[2][3][4][5][6][7] and ancillary pages[8][9][10]. Depending on the outcome, I will either speedy-delete it, or propose routine deletion, or if the outcome is indecisive, take it to a vote here. It looks like an open-and-shut case to me, but it is usually best to wait for matters to settle at Wikipedia first, in order to avoid duplicating (and protracting) the arguments. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Great, thanks! For my education, what would have been the right place to go? (I don't often come here, but might be useful in future). With all those articles in this farm, you really need all your 7 eyes! ;-) --Randykitty (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Randykitty, in more than eight years at Wikiquote this is the first time anyone remarked on my pseudonymsake. This board is nominally used to research the origins of quotations. The Village pump is more suited to discussing general wiki affairs. (As a smaller community, we have a lot less special-purpose discussion boards than Wikipedia does.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 Y Deleted. Thanks for staying on top of this Randykitty. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)