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Template:UsernameEdit

Could you please make Template:Username show the User’s name? I need it for several Templates. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 21:19, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

What do you have in mind? Does {{Ping}} not work? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
I mean the user viewing it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 23:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
@Kalki: Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 00:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
@Koavf:
I have no idea what you need. What would the template do? How would you use it? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
A template that displays the username or IP address of the user viewing it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 06:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Do you have an example on another wiki that does this? I recalled that there was a magic word for this, but I can't seem to find it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
No, but this is still a very useful *potential* feature. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 15:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Request to add EditnoticeEdit

Could you add this Editnotice to my User and User Talk pages? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 23:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

 Y Done Are you sure you want that message? —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you, you are the best admin. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 02:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Also, it isn't showing up, could you fix this?
Edit: I think you need to create the page here (and here for the Talk Page) for it to actually work. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 02:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
That doesn't seem to have done the trick. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Maybe try some test text instead? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 03:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I can. Seems like your hack should work, per mw:Manual:Interface/Edit notice, tho. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Maybe file a phab report? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 03:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I fixed it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Could you also protect the page so only I and Administrators can edit it? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 03:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
No, there's no way to do that, other than by manually blocking that one page from every user who isn't an admin or you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
  The Special Barnstar
For actually doing this, I think most other Administrators take themselves to far too seriously to do something like this.

Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks kindly. I'm here to serve. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Merge forkEdit

Could you merge my fork of Joe Biden into the main page (revisions included)? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 03:59, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Probably, but you have to meet me half-way here and link to said fork. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
User:Ilovemydoodle/forks/Main/Joe Biden. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"No revisions can be merged." —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Why? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:16, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Try now. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"No revisions can be merged." —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Maybe try importing them instead? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
How? —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Okay I figured it, this might sound strange, but it should work, merge Joe Biden into my fork, delete the original Joe Biden page and then move my fork to Joe Biden. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 04:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"Source revisions overlap or come after destination revisions." You should just edit the main article. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 Y DoneIlovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 05:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Also, do you have any work for me to do on Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha, Not an Administrator) (talk / e-mail) 05:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Wow, great question. I think the best thing that can happen here is if someone helps to bring more structure and semantics to Wikiquote. On a structural level, that is beyond any one person fixing, but anyone can add templates, metadata, etc. E.g. if you cite a source, include a citation template or use proper list semantics, such as not putting line breaks between bullets in a list. That and adding accessibility features like alt text are important issues to me. Thanks for asking and for all you do around here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I have been doing some of these things for while now, I will continue to do so also doing the other things you mentioned, but I was mainly looking for one or two shorter tasks to do now. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 06:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Ilovemydoodle, in terms of work to do on Wikiquote:
Also thank you again Koavf for the admin/maintenance work. I hope we get to see you back at enwiki eventually. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, RC! —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
No worries. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

FeatureEdit

Help, I really needed a feature added that lets a Template tell which skin your using. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 11:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow, I have no idea how to do that. You want to be a thrid party that knows which skin someone is using? I'm not sure that is an option. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
I really need it, apparently the background of my talk page break certain features, but only on one skin, and after fixing now it only works on that skin and doesn't work on others, so I really need this fixed, maybe something using css files?
Edit: I figured it out, just add some css to the css file for each skin:
Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
@Koavf: Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused why you're pinging me. You just wrote, "I figured it out", so I thought there was no action for me here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
No, I meant that I figured out how YOU can fix it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
What do you want me to insert in the CSS files? I'm reluctant to do this as it will modify the site for all users, but I'm not entirely opposed. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Just make it you have something that only appears when that skin is active.
Edit: You can do this by making something invisible in common.css and then setting it visible in the skin’s css file. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Feature requestEdit

Could you make a very useful JavaScript hack for me? Ping me when your ready and I'll give you more information. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 16:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm putting something on my calendar for next weekend--I'm busy this weekend. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Could you please do the other request above, though? (I really need it for something) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 17:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
All of them exist except one. I'll add a comment to it and then I suppose that resolves it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
No I mean in each file could you put:
span.show-[skin name here] {display: initial;}
span.hide-[skin name here] {display: none;}
Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 21:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
No, I'm not sure what that will do. I'm trying to think of how that would appear in CSS and that seems like it would not display the user preferences. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Well, you just add this code to common.css for each skin:
span.show-[skin name here] {display: none;}
span.hide-[skin name here] {display: initial;}
Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 21:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm reluctant to do that becuase of the concerns above. Do you have an example wiki where someone did this? I don't want to tinker with site-wide CSS without a really good reason. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Well, I can't think of any other wiki, but this IS quite important. On my user page I implemented a feature that perfectly well for me, but another user informed me that it didn't work in one skin, so I made one for that skin, but it only worked in that skin, so I need some code to differentiate between skins. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 21:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Could please give me more information about this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 05:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
If I edit site-wide CSS, that will impact all users with a given skin. So I want to be very conservative about doing that and I don't want to even experiment, lest I mess up someone's view of the site. If you have examples of other wikis doing this or can justify why you need it done with some clarity, then maybe I can help you. Better yet woudl be community consensus. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Basically, I want a feature where I can create a span with the class "[Skin Name Here]-show" and it will only show it for users viewing in that skin, there would also be a "[Skin Name Here]-hide" which would do the reverse. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 19:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
And I need to have a greater justification than just your personal preference before I tinker with site-wide CSS. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
A lot of Templates need different code for each skin to display properly. Also, I don't see any harm in adding this. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 19:46, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Response timeEdit

Is there anyway to have a discussion in real-time? I would like to have several long discussions about feature requests, but that's not really doable if it takes days between each comment. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:23, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I have really only used Gchat (or whatever it's called now) for IMing, but sure. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
What is Gchat? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Google's IMing, associated with Gmail. Again, it's been called a million things. Hangouts now? —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Any WMF way of live chat? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I think Matrix: m:matrix. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I keep hearing about "libera chat", is it what I want? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Correct. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
So, could you explain what it is and how to do what I am requesting with it? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 05:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I've never used it. I just know that it's the replacement for IRC (which I very rarely used). —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
What’s IRC again? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 05:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Internet Relay Chat, which was more-or-less popular as a group chat option for decades and the best server for it, Freenode was bought by a jerk, so everyone jumped ship to Libera. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
How does libera work? Would it be good for what I want? And, do you have an account there? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 06:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
It's a good chat service, as I understand it and would meet your needs. I've never used it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Can you create an account? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 06:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Sure, if that's the method you want to use. I'm here to help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
What is the name of your account? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 07:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
@koavf:matrix.org —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
@Koavf: I mean on libera. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 12:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha. I haven't made one yet. I can when I'm free-er. —Justin (koavf)TCM 12:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
When will that be? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 12:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I have a calendar reminder for the following weekend (i.e. not in a few days but a week and a half). —Justin (koavf)TCM 12:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I am wondering if we can do it today instead? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 13:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I cannot. I have a busy-ish day and a very busy day tomorrow. To the extent that I can screw around on the Internet, it has to be pretty limited. I'm happy to meet at a time that's mutually convenient, of course. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you! When your ready I have a lot to discuss. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 13:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, when your ready, could you leave a message saying so on my Talk Page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Can do. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Can you just send me a calendar invite if you need to chat? I'm afraid that it's hard for me to make the time. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure how to do that, do you mean like mentally, or on Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 13:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant to my email address: justinkoavf[littleanarchysymbol][google's email service][period]com. If you can't do that or don't want to share your email address with me, then please let me know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I have had my email address removed a long time ago due to abuse, so I can't use my email. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
You can't email me directly? That's fine. When would you like to chat? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
When ever you’re ready to implement a lot of stuff. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Also, which Template de-indents a discussion? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
{{outdent}} —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Do you have any set date that you would be willing to help implement (or at-least begin the implementation of) a lot of features? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm busy with work and personal things in July, so I've had a hard time setting a time. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Also, why did you obfuscate your email address? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
What is "[littleanarchysymbol]"? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Obfuscated for bots. [littleanarchysymbol] = "@". —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
I’m confused, what do you mean obfuscated for bots? Also, if it's obfuscated how I am meant to read it? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
So that a bot couldn't harvest it and spam me. You may be able to read it because you can decode things that a bot can't. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 03:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Bug fixEdit

In Special:ListUsers "Administrator" is capitalized, on all other wikis (including Wikipedia) it is lower case. Could you please fix this? You could do this by either making it lower case, or by capitalizing all User Rights. (the second option is the one I prefer) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

But all of them are upper case now, so at least that's consistent. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh wait, I see. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I think fixing it would require recreating MediaWiki:Administrators and making it lower-case, but I'm not sure of all the places where it would be changed. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I don't see the problem with doing that. Also, if you prefer it capitalized, you could just capitalize all User Groups. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Because it may be transcluded other places where it shouldn't be capitalized. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Well, it's just fine on en.wp. Also, which option do you prefer? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 04:39, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I have no strong feelings on this and while I am actually usually very in favor of consistency and proper usage, this one doesn't bother me much. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

A question for youEdit

If you ever get unblocked from enwiki, will you still regularly contribute here? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 15:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

For sure. I plan on it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Issue with your archive pageEdit

A lot of users used {{PAGENAME}} instead koavf on your Talk Page, so when you archived the page it now says "Hi koavf/archive001" instead of just "Hi koavf." Could you fix this? (I can't since you protected the page) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure, thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Rollback voteEdit

Could you vote here? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 22:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Protection requestEdit

Could you protect this page so only admins can edit? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 09:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 22:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

This page. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 22:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Still isn’t done. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Wait why is the page gone? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
It's back. The easiest way to delete dozens of revisions is to delete the entire page and then un-delete the revisions that you want. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Ohhhhhhhh. I was really confused why you were deleting the whole page. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Koavf, could you do a full cleansing of the page? What I mean is removing all vandal revisions to the very beginning (even those already revdeled), and then also removing the reverts of those revisions as well. Could you do this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
That should be most of them. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Could you also remove the undos of vandalism? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Nothing even displays: https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ilovemydoodle/Archives/Archive_1&diff=next&oldid=3139360 Is this really necessary? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I would like to do it, to reduce clutter and potential for confusion, so, yes. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:32, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Koavf! – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit requestEdit

Could you change Template:Test4 to redirect to Template:Uw-vandalism4 to match Wikipedia? Also, to make the progression to 4im make more sense. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 22:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Abuse FilterEdit

@Antandrus: Could you also give your comment on this?

Could you add the following terms to the Abuse Filter:

(removed)Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I've edited the abuse filter before, but I'm not a whiz at it. Note that blocking edits outright based on some of these filters would certainly disrupt standard editing. I feel like this is probably not the best way to stop vandalism and would want to get more consensus from the community. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
How about you block the ones that are obviously vandalism entirely. And the potentially good-faith ones could be allowed only for autoconfirmed. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 02:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd still want a broader consensus. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Also, could you protect this page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 02:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Imagine what GRP would do if when he next logs in Wikiquote using one of his 50 trillion VPNs, and all of his favorite buzzwords get blocked by the Abuse Filter. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Again, please post to the Village Pump to get consensus. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 Y DoneIlovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Quick fix neededEdit

Could you please create this page? It's needed for a lot of templates on Wikipedia, so when I import them, they don't work. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 19:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Question: how do you import revisions? I regularly import templates from Wikipedia, so it would be nice to be able to import the revisions too. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Special:Import, if you are an admin. You are not importing, you're just copying and pasting, which is fine as long as you give attribution in the edit summary or the talk page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Is there anyway to import without being an admin? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
No, just ask an admin to do it. Again, it's fine to completely reproduce any of the content from any WMF project anywhere, it just requires attribution. The problem with copy/paste "importing" is that it may not import all dependencies. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Well, I know how to import dependencies, I would just like the ability to import revisions too, as I import hundreds of templates regularly. Also, when copying I often forget to attribute. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
If you forget, in practice, it's not the biggest deal in the world, but you really should post a note on the talk page saying where it came from and how someone could find attribution at the original source. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Well, according to this, there is a group for import, just like rollback. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Heads up that it's w:en:Help:Import or w:en:WP:IMPORT. In theory, we can activate importer and transwiki importers here, but we don't have any and I personally can't do it, as it requires a bureaucrat. Generally, import rights outside of being an admin is rare and reserved for weird circumstances (e.g. a user on en.wp who has access to very old server logs and imports edits from 2001 occasionally). —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Can I make a request? And, if so, where? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
You can request import at the admin's noticeboard. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 Y DoneIlovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

Could please revdel these two revisions? (they are both by the same vandal)

Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 03:08, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 03:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Second one too? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 03:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I think you forgot the second one. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Check again. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Still thereIlovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha. I deleted the edit summary. Thanks: hate speech has no place here except in the context of historically meaningful and educational quotations.o —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Could you also give feedback to my question on the village pump? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Protection requestEdit

Could you protect this page so only admins can edit? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y Done I already did that. Now I've done it twice. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about the abuse filterEdit

Can importing revisions ever trigger the abuse filter? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 11:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Probably? —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Which user right (not group) allows you to bypass the abuse filter? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 15:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't know anything more than this: mw:Extension:AbuseFilter#User_rights. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Who would know more about this? Should I ping Aklapper? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Possibly. I think a lot of folks on en.wp would know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I already asked a few hours ago on the help desk, still no response. I also asked on meta, also no response. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I got two answers, here: meta, wikipedia. So the answer (thankfully) appears to be no. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Importer proposalEdit

Could you give me feedback on my importer proposal? (not for/against, just about improving the proposal) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

EmergencyEdit

QOTD missing!  Y Done by Kalki. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about my import proposalEdit

Some of the permissions I know for sure are needed, for others I am pretty sure, and a few are just guesses. So, do you know who specifically I could ask about this? This would make sure that ones that are not needed can be removed, and that needed ones that are not listed can be added. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 02:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a recommendation on this, no. It's your proposal: you can make it however you want. You just need to be clear and explain your reasoning. —Justin (koavf)TCM 11:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

QOTDEdit

QOTD is missing!  Y Done by Kalki. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about my requests to you that could be asked more generally on VP or ANEdit

Are you okay with this, or does it bother you? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

If the worst thing that happens to me here is that someone is too enthusiastic, that's a good problem to have. I like your edits and interest in helping out. I just want to make sure that any kind of radical changes get larger community support. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

These two edits. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 11:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 14:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

Three edit summaries. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 12:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 14:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

Three revisions. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ilovemydoodle,  Y Done but only one revision. The others aren't eligible for revdel. --Ferien (talk) 20:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Potential issue with import proposalEdit

If the page has already been imported manually and changed since, but the page on the wiki you are importing from has also been changed, then the merge will fail. So is there any kind of right that I could that would let you remove a revision? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Just being an admin. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Does the database keep track of if an edit is imported? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm not certain. From what I've seen, it's seamless. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I mean in the backend. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I would think so. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

OnlineEdit

Are you online right now? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll have a little availability, but I'm getting sleepy actually--I've been sick lately. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

OnlineEdit

Are you still online? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 07:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

This. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 11:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 18:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

BureaucratEdit

I wanted to nominate you for bureaucrat, but I could not think of enough reasons for a full nomination. Could you nominate yourself? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 13:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

 N Not Done I'm pretty busy now, so picking up extra responsibility seems like a bad idea. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Later? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Maybe! —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

This. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 11:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 23:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

HoundingEdit

I have noticed that a particular new editor here seems to be here only in discussion pages, which is fine in my opinion, but they appear to particularly targeting me (voting against various proposals, listing pages for deletion, etc.), and haven't been doing any mainspsce editing or editing in other discussions, does this count as hounding? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 13:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@AC9016: Do you agree? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 15:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
It could be. I haven't seen this behavior yet. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
HereIlovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 15:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I have not observed this behavior either. My time on Wikiquote is overwhelmingly spent on creating and editing pages. --AC9016 (talk) 15:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I see you posted to his talk, so let's see where that goes. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Strikethrough templatesEdit

Templates what is your opinion on Template:T, Template:T, and Template:T? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

It's not obvious to me why these exist. If you need to semantically mark up that something is deleted or struck, then we have those options, so why do we need to visually have a template that strikes something four times? —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

AvailabilityEdit

When do you think you could help with the js feature requests previously mentioned? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Which one again? —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Not specifically one, several small ones over IRC. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh, not anytime soon. Sorry. :/
I have work, school, and travel. I am happy to do continued maintenance on projects where I am an admin (e.g. here), but doing anything ambitious is on an indefinite hold. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Not that big, only small to medium additions. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

AN ArchivesEdit

Hello. I noticed that you sysop-protected Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/037 but this is blocking my bot from archiving the WQ:AN as requested. Would you prefer if I start archiving in Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/038 instead? If this is due to vandalism, an AbuseFilter could be created to avoid subpages of the AN to be editted by anyone but sysops and bots. Regards, --MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Maybe your bot can just be an admin? I'm not a bureaucrat, so I can't do it unilaterally, but you're a trusted user, so I don't see that as being a problem. I'll unprotect for now. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I appreciate your words, but I do not think my bot should have +sysop as it is very dangerous. Bots can, however, edit pages protected up to the autoconfirmed level so if vandalism on that page is an issue you may reprotect it to the "edit: autoconfirmed" level and my bot won't have troubles with bypassing that restriction. Regards, --MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

HelloEdit

I would like to inform you that I have returned here after three weeks.

I mainly left due to the large-scale deletion of my templates and modules, most of which was unjustified. I would like to have these undeleted so the issues with templates can be properly addressed, rather than just deleting them. I would like to start by having these templates undeleted:

Do you think you help with this? And, if so, could you add some-sort-of messaging saying that it is currently being worked-on and should not be immediately re-VfD'd? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome. I would recommend starting with the admins who deleted them and see if they think for some reason there was an error or something was deleted out of process. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
I am not saying that is out of error, I just think that I can easily fix the issues that were given as the reason for deletion. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, you would need to undelete the associated sub-pages. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Sure, well I would still start with the deleting admin. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 Y Done added a link to this discussion. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Wait... the deleting admin only deleted it because of a VfD, so if I am able to address the problems raised in the VfD, couldn't it just be undelete without needless bureaucracy? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
  • All I did was close the discussions. In nearly every one, the consensus to delete was unanimous. I would recommend you take some time to consider working on tasks that do not require the creation of large amounts of templates and subpages, give that this wasn't a one-off issue, but one where there were scores of pages that needed to be deleted. GMGtalk 20:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
    @GreenMeansGo: My reason for creating these was not just randomly make bad templates, instead I was trying to implement a much larger idea for Wikiquote, but since it would be such a large change and would require large changes to backend things like php and js, I instead only implemented a very small amount of it. But, since I only implemented small amounts of what actually wanted to do without context, I instead made something that doesn't have any propose or value. So, instead, I would like to make a local 'test wiki' where I can work on larger things like this that can later be implemented properly on the main wiki.
    Do you think you could help by sending an xml file of the deleted pages? Thanks, – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
    I nominated the templates for deletion (and there was unanimous consensus to delete them) because they were fundamentally crap templates. The fact the implementation was terrible was only a small part of the problem, the big issue is that the ideas behind them were awful. No amount of JavaScript or PHP would have turned those pages into useful templates.
    You have tried to reinvent processes for no good reason (often in really stupid ways involving obnoxious amounts of pings), you have made pointless duplicate templates that recreate functionality that already exists, and have created templates that should not be used under any situation because they violate fundamental project policies and fly in the face of wiki culture.
    Of those three templates the first one duplicates a template we already have, the second was another duplicate template but with some really really terrible modifications, and the third was a horrendously bad idea for a template that should never ever be used under any situation.
    I would oppose restoring these as the community has made it clear they don't want them. Banning people from nominating them for deletion after a unanimous consensus to delete is also a grossly inappropriate suggestion. The only admin action that I could see being remotely appropriate here is blocking you from template and module space. You clearly do not have the competence to edit there productively and have made a ridiculous amount of mess treating this project as your personal sandbox that is going to take months and months to clean up. I haven't edited in a week due to real life work, but there is still a vast amount of localisation, clean-up and deletion nominations to be done. Fundamentally as a newbie who has only been here for a couple of months you should not be attempting to "implement a much larger idea for Wikiquote" and completely remake the project according to how you think it should be - that isn't how consensus or wiki communities work. 192.76.8.85 01:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    Forgive me, but, is it not "cleaned up" already? All of templates and modules appear to of been deleted. Also, I was not requesting they all be restored. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    No, it's nowhere near finished. Special:WantedCategories is still full of clean-up categories that need renaming, merging, and actually creating. There are still a ton of modules and templates that you've copied from other projects without bothering to set them up properly, e.g. Module:Pagetype/config, which still has a load of wikipedia only configurations in it. There are a bunch of unused templates that don't actually make a lot of sense on this project, Template:Disputed inline doesn't make a great deal of sense when applied to quotations. There are a bunch of templates that I cannot forsee anyone ever using, e.g. Template:Background color which is used to applying formatting that should never actually be used in pages, Like this. And that's before we even get into looking at all the templates that you overwrote with wikipedia specific ones or messed around with for no good reason. 192.76.8.85 08:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    Please don’t, I have stopped the template creation and will only return to it when I know what I'm doing. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 04:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Don't get discouraged brother or sister. Figure it out. Lord knows I'm lucky to understand how email works some of the time. But do it on a test wiki. GMGtalk 02:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

This. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 09:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Ilovemydoodle, while it is an inappropriate comment, I don't think it is eligible for RevDel. It is just a "normal" personal attack. --Ferien (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm a fan of w:en:WP:DENY and happy to revdel things that don't even try to add to this site. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:31, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
This should probably be removed as well. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 16:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't say that spending time going back to a month old edit no-one else will be looking at is a way of denying recognition to vandals. --Ferien (talk) 22:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, if you want to leave this kind of trash in the edit history, you can. As I come across abusive edits like this, I remove them. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
It's not great to be in the edit history, but we are hiding these kinds of edits from public view. Would you say that the edit revision, as well as the edit summary, is bad enough that it should be hidden from other editors? Particularly with this edit - what is the worst that would happen if it was just left alone? --Ferien (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes and probably nothing other than giving a troll what he wants. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Shouldn’t all personal attacks be revdeled? I thought "special" personal attacks are meant to be oversighted. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 16:52, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ilovemydoodle: No absolutely not. There is no RevDel policy here, and we should definitely get one some point soon, but RevDel is generally only used for grossly inappropriate content. Both of these revisions certainly wouldn't be eligible for revision deletion at all on any other wiki I'm active on, especially not on English Wikipedia. And oversight can only be used for "a blatant attack is one obviously intended to denigrate, threaten, libel, insult, or harass someone." --Ferien (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
I think revdel should be used on any edit harmful bad-faith edit. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 07:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

These. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 07:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 08:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, is this possible? (without dev access) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 08:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
This too! Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 08:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Block requestEdit

Could you softblock Ilovemycock? (I created it to prevent abuse) Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 10:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 Y Done by Ferien. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 10:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Abuse filterEdit

Could you import this filter onto this wiki? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:46, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

 Y Done This is pretty extensive as a filter. I'll have to keep my eyes on it and what kind of hits it gets. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Did I do a good job? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:06, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
I think, but we'll find out by trying it. Such is life, I suppose. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Is there any way to make the filter block a user if they trigger it too much? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
As I recall, yes, but I'm not an abuse filter whiz. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:20, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Who would know how to do that? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't even know where to start. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:28, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
@Cabayi: Do you know? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Ilovemydoodle, it is not the best idea to ping users who are not active on this wiki to something they have not been involved in. --Ferien (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: I was trying to find a knowledgeable user. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:02, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ilovemydoodle: then please head to AN or the Village pump. I have a little bit of experience with abuse filters and how to add to them, although I don't promise to be an abuse filter genius. --Ferien (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, but you should probably remove the 'test' in the name of the filter. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Could you give me the abuse helper right so I can check on the filter? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:22, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
I think this would need discussion and consensus first. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
It doesn’t allow you to edit it, just view it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:50, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Still needs consensus and doesn't exist here.--Ferien (talk) 20:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Don't want to talk about the contents of the abuse filter too much onwiki but I imagine this could be merged into abuse filter 33. It has the same purpose. --Ferien (talk) 20:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Mine includes both GRP and Wikinger, while filter 33 only includes GRP. Maybe 33 could be merged into mine? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Ilovemydoodle, they are essentially the same vandal. In fact, 34 doesn't really apply to Wikinger at all. It doesn't really matter which one it's merged into but an extensive amount of time has been spent on filter 33 to make it suitable for enwikiquote and their behaviour here. I was just checking and pretty much everything included in filter 34 is in 33 and more. But as I said I don't want to spend much time talking about the filter itself. --Ferien (talk) 20:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Could you copy it to test2wiki so I could view it? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:28, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Koavf, Could you do this? (I would like to compare it to my version) Thanks! – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ilovemydoodle: I am not sure why you are so concerned about this. Filter 33 is working very well and has significantly decreased the amount of disruption this vandal can cause, there is no need for additional filters or for the filter to be shown to you. It is hidden for a reason. --Ferien (talk) 10:40, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I would like it copied so I can compare it to my filter. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ilovemydoodle: But why do you need to compare it to filter 33 when I already have done so? --Ferien (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Because I would like to see it for myself. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ilovemydoodle: You would like to, but you currently have no right to and no good reason to. Even if there was a good reason to, I do not trust you to keep the abuse filter private, as you literally asked for a whole list of things to be added to the private abuse filter onwiki above. Please stop worrying about abuse filters. These ones in particular are private for a reason, and are not supposed to be discussed on-wiki, particularly in this much detail. --Ferien (talk) 17:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Where exactly are we meant to discuss these kinds of things? Is there a private wiki? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:13, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
You can discuss using email but abuse filters aren't like usual content pages. Usually I find if there is a constant vandal around, someone will end up suggesting an abuse filter. An abuse filter ends up being created with things added and removed depending on what does/doesn't work, with reasons added in the notes. Not much discussion is needed beyond that really. --Ferien (talk) 19:45, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: Do you think there should be a wiki for trusted users to talk about potentially sensitive topics? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
To chime in, there is a CheckUser wiki that serves a similar function, but only for those with that permission on at least one wiki. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:45, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
I have of heard of this, but it is not what I *exactly* mean (it is similar, though). What I am referring to, unlike CU wiki, would be enabled to users without signing the confidentiality agreement. It would be for things that shouldn't be fully open, but are not confidential. This wiki would be available to:
  • Administrators
  • Global stewards
  • WMF staff
  • Users in the 'trusted' group (which would also grant access to viewing deleted pages, revisions, and hidden abuses filters, and the ability to edit protected pages [excluding pages automatically protected by MediaWiki {e.g. the Main page, the Mediawiki namespace, etc.}])
Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ferien: I have removed the abuse information above, you may revdel it if you feel the need to. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 19:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
I updated it, could you re-copy it? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:27, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 N Not Done. Importing doesn't work. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:04, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Delete it and then re-import it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I can try. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
{{Done}}? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 03:44, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 Y DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 04:12, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Revdel requestEdit

This Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 06:27, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

 N Not Done Why would this be deleted? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Protection requestEdit

Could you protect User talk:Ilovemydoodle/Archives/Archive 2? (sysop-only, to prevent vandalism) Thanks! – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:45, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Abuse filterEdit

A while ago an anon complained about the overuse of BIG TEXT and TOO MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I totally agree. For a while some users have been (successfully) vandalizing pages by adding dozens or even hundreds of exclamation points and/or big text. I have made an abuse filter to stop this and I was wondering if you could import it here. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 07:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to now, no. E.g. see https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/3690. While this is deprecated HTML and should not be used in any web page, there is a toll with having many abuse filters and having one for something like this (which can also be easily spotted as a lint error) doesn't justify its existence here. Agreed that it's bad, but disagreed that the resources required for an abuse filter are necessary. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
I see this extremely often, so often that when I was look for a page as an example, the first page I click has both overuse of exclamation points and big text. Also, the <big> restriction isn't because it is deprecated (it is still used in many high-use templates, even on enwiki), but because it is often used for abuse (intentional or unintentional). Both of these restrictions only apply to non-autoconfirmed editors in the mainspace, so as to limit false positives. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 08:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Would you accept the filter if it only triggered with two or more <big> tags in the mainspace? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 08:50, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
No, I'd still want consensus on this. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
@UDScott, GreenMeansGo: Thoughts? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
While I agree that it is annoying and most often used for vandalizing, I also agree with Justin that we can fight this in the usual ways rather than by using an abuse filter. I'm generally in favor of not using hard restrictions unless there is no other way. I do find this problem at times (especially on TV show pages), but IMHO I don't think it is so bad that we can't handle this issue without going to the extreme of putting in an abuse filter. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:49, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
@UDScott: Would support having a bot that automatically removes this kind of vandalism? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
@UDScott: What legitimate actions would this impede? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 21:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

My talk pageEdit

At some point it got unprotected when it shouldn't have been, could you reprotect it? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The initial protection expired. I'm reluctant to protect it indefinitely, as in general, users should be able to reach out one-on-one to collaborate. I've protected it for three more months and if you experience issues on-wiki that you think may require more protection, please let me know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! Also, I'll could try to create a separate page or other sytem for IP users. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Also, you could probably protect my user page indefinitely, since user pages don't usually need to be edited by others. Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm fine with indefinite protection of a user page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
That would be totally legit, if you wanted to create User talk:Ilovemydoodle/IPs and direct IP editors there or something. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 Y Done Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 00:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)