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Wikiquote: Zanan Ahmad

The Zanan Ahmad page should not have been removed. While it may have lacked references for some quotes, it has been available for 10-11 months, and this seems unfair. There are many other pages with only one or two quotes that also lack references but remain active. I kindly request that the page be reinstated. Thank you. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zanan_AhmadRichardson-steeve (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

While I had previously deleted the page (in February last year), it was for the reason that it did not contain any quotes. The recent deletion was for a lack of notability (which has nothing to do with references for quotes). But I was not the one who deleted it in this case (I had nominated it for discussion for the same reasons it was deleted) - although I do not disagree with the rationale to do so. This person does not apear to be notable enough to warrant having a page here. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Could you please clarify the reasoning behind this? I’d like to compare it with the Wikiquote policies. Additionally, notability isn't a concern in this case, as the author has published numerous books. Georgia-Ernest (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Costas Simitis

I noticed that you removed the category "Socialists". I am puzzled as to why. He led a socialist party, PASOK... Panhellenic Socialist Movement. He also introduced in the Greek constitution that the Greek state is a socialist country, I am not mistaken. And, in general, advocated socialist ideas. Sure, there is criticism for being more of a technocrat and governing from the center, but the same argument can be made about Andreas Papandreou. I am just trying to understand on grounds this was done, as it looks weird to me. Thank you. A.Cython (talk) 16:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I fully agree that this person fits within the category of Socialists - but he is also already in the category of Category:Democratic socialists, which is a subcategory of Category:Socialists. In practice, we don't usually include both a subcategory and its parent on a page. Since he is already within the subcategory, he is also already in the parent. Hopefully, that makes sense and is not confusing - let me know if not. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok got it. So the same thing should happen in the case of Andreas Papandreou, right? A.Cython (talk) 17:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, same for that page as well. Cheers! ~ UDScott (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

ok, I removed the extra category. Thank you for clarifying. A.Cython (talk) 18:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

refs

Are they supposed to come after the name of the person the quote is attributed to in the article? Thanks. Lofi Gurl (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, although footnotes are used on Wikipedia, here we try to place the source of a quote with the quote. The only real exception is when there are a number of quotes from the same source. Rather than repeating the citation over and over, we place the quotes in a subsection, under the heading for the source (with the link to the source usually placed just below the section header). This all makes it easier to verify that the provided source(s) actually contain the quotes. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

More questions

(see previous message on this page) I got more questions! 1. If the person or organization that a quote is attributed to has a page here as well as on enwp, which project do I wikilink to in the article's lead section here on Wikiquote (the emboldened text that is the subject of the article)? 2. I already forgot my other question, I'll get back to you. Lofi Gurl (talk) 16:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

For any wikilinks, if there is a page here at WQ for the object of the link, that gets first priority. If not, then we link the appropriate WP page. For the subject of the page itself, we link to the WP page. Make sense? Thanks for your additions (and questions!). Cheers! ~ UDScott (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh and take a look at some of the other minor cleanup I did for some of your new pages - try to include birthdates for people and try to follow what I did for the sources (having them on a separate line from the quote for example) and for the categories (including the use of DEFAULTSORT, which helps sort the pages properly within the categories). Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

The notification that you replied here must have gotten buried in my inbox and I'm just now seeing this. Sounds good. Thanks. Lofi Gurl (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Ottawahitech, #SheSaid and Elon Musks's buyout offer

I think that you, Kalki, Lemonaka, and HouseOfChange would all agree that Ottawahitech is a troll at this point and should be blocked, the only question is for what duration. I believe that indefinitely is too much, although we all know a block isn't actually going to change their behavior at all, we need to at least allow them to demonstrate that by giving them another opportunity to fail to cooperate, which they most definitely will. My interaction with them recently on the page for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm involved being told that the page had looked like that for years and shouldn't be changed, and that they were unfamiliar with the subject matter, which is an odd justification for becoming involved. Beyond that, my interactions with them have been strange, when I ask them simple questions like, "So what's your opinion on the "Wiki sisters?" or "Is My Immortal, really more notable than all those pages you've had deleted for female politicians?", I rarely get any kind of meaningful answer. A simple, good, bad, or I don't care would suffice but they don't seem very interested in communicating when they aren't the one asking the questions. Someone who thinks that the name Ignoble Prize is offensive to speakers of the Igbo language seems highly opinionated and easily offended, so I would expect them to state their opinions more readily, but they don't, I think it's all just an act. I wouldn't be surprised if Ottawahitech spent most of their free time on 4Chan laughing about us all being nerds, or worse words.
On a connected note, I'm suspicious of #SheSaid, I think it's basically a way of allowing a certain group of editors to get away with trolling by presenting themselves as being better than everyone else, including the admins who aren't members who than become Big Brother or The Patriarchy for opposing them. It's a power grab and an attempt to create a New Guard in opposition to the existing administrators who will one day be replaced by factional loyalists. It's unfortunate because I'm one of their more prolific members and #SheSaid doesn't have bad objectives, just a couple of high-profile bad editors, of which I'm hopefully not one of.
Ultimately though, Wikiquote could do without it, I don't feel like I need to be told by an advertisement that I need to focus more on quoting women for three months out of the year because half the people I quote are women as that is the demographical makeup of most teams of scientists nowadays.
I hate to say this, but I think Elon Musk might actually have made a good point recently in questioning some of the Wikimedia Foundations initiatives. I would have liked for him to have elaborated on what he meant about spending 50 million dollars on "Woke" initiatives, because I think that's a poorly defined word that allows people to avoid stating what specific issues they are actually talking about. I'm sure it's accurate that the WMF spent that much money on something or rather, so depending on your definition that's not wrong, but a word that undefined it essentially not even a real word, it's New Speak.
I'm offended by the idea of renaming Wikipedia Dickipedia, because Wiki is a Hawaiin word for quick and unlike the Ignoble Prize being offensive to Igbo, that's actually culturally insensitive. I don't care that it's a dick joke, because given the gigantic gender gap, we kind of deserve to be called that as a warning to prospective editors for what they are getting into; but the people of Hawaii don't deserve to be dragged into this, they have enough problems to worry about, what with being underwater in the next hundred years due to global warming like most of the world's island peoples.
Sorry that took so long, unlike Ottawahitech I'm not trying to waste your time. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I'm always inclined to an indef, taking the previous behaviours into consideration, and looking around all the projects they acted, the next time when they act badly against other user, I will press the button.
This topic may be better on WQ:AN -‎Lemonaka‎ 01:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, you lost me a bit with some of the above, but as to the main point of the behavior of this particular user, I agree that it has been problematic and I would also agree with Lemonaka that perhaps a discussion at WQ:AN is warranted - in which a need for a block could be discussed. I am reluctant to impose an indef block for such a prolific user, but the aforementioned behavior is really making it seem more and more necessary. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I have interacted with this user enough times that I can provide instances of their generally uncooperative behavior, should you need it. They seem oddly fixated on me, having posted on my talk page numerous times. Sorry about the speculation as to their motives and that of the group to which they belong, I went off on a bit of a tangent.
I am curious though how much, if any, money donated to the WMF goes to #SheSaid, and whether I could petition the WMF to fund my own initiatives for increasing participation on Wikis by marginalized groups. I would very much like to be part of the marketing department, Wikimedia's public image could use some work. Do we even have an official Youtube, Facebook or X account? It's not like we're competing with them, Citizendium is a very distant second to Wikipedia. CensoredScribe (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, @CensoredScribe , the next time when User:Ottawahitech is doing something unlawful, please report them immediately on WQ:AN, and a final decision may be made among the sysops. IMO, recent edits from @Ottawahitech still looks Okay, at least they are not hounding sysops or other users with their numerous questions. So there's no reason for requesting a block against them. -‎Lemonaka‎ 04:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Someone who asks that many annoying questions should be able to answer some, the term glass cannon comes to mind. CensoredScribe (talk) 03:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I know... I know all of these, however, we cannot block a user when they did not do anything unlawful recently. -‎Lemonaka‎ 03:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Someone who repeatedly demands attention for clearly nonsensical reasons is possibly sealioning. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@CensoredScribePer discussion with you on email, I've noticed their nonconstructive behaviours. However, I'd still like to give him a chance since you didn't provide the enough evidence for their off-site behaviours. Anyway, notes have been taken. -‎Lemonaka‎ 07:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Would you please block this user?

This user has been adding vandalism to the page Star Wars: The Force Awakens. This is the user I’m talking about: Special:Contributions/96.40.57.128 And here is the proof of what he’s been up to:

https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars%3A_The_Force_Awakens&diff=3651848&oldid=3651063
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3651848
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3651850
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652054
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652059
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652064
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652068
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652070
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652072
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652185
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652188
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652190
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652192
https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens&diff=next&oldid=3652201

So could you please permanently block him all across the Wikiquote network as soon as possible? AdamDeanHall (talk) 12:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I've blocked this IP for a month (and will keep an eye on it) - let's see how this progresses, but I am reluctant to permanently block an IP address. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikiquote: 200 Proven Recipes for Dishes, Pastries and Other Household Works

In another language Wiki I received a recommendation to delete section "Recipe sample" (article on XIX century cookbook, English translation of the recipes is mine) and to move them as quotes to Wikiquote. When I did the same in EN Wikiquote, article in Wikiquote was deleted - Speedy deletion: No quotes. Does it mean that those 4 recipes were not treated as quotes? What would be the recommendation on how to show these samples recipes - a section in main Wiki article? Or maybe the deletion of Wikiquote article can be reconsidered? Thanks. Iurii.s (talk) 11:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Truly, the listed items on this page are not quotes in the sense that they are not pithy, memorable quotes. Just as we do not quote from encyclopedic articles, we do not generally quote from cookbooks (unless said quotes contained something beyond just a dry recitation of the steps necessary to create a dish). I would say that if there is any place for these, it would be Wikipedia (but even then I'm not sure they are notable or memorable enough for inclusion there either). Please remember that Wikiquote exists for the collecting of notable quotations of famous people and famous works. For a quick overview of what Wikiquote is, read Wikiquote:Wikiquote, and also Wikiquote: What Wikiquote is not for a list of common activities that Wikiquote does not support. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Susovan Roy

Susovan Roy This article doesn't seem relevant to me. Please check. It seems to me that he is not a prominent person and the news is paid for.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Susovan_Roy_(2nd_nomination) This is the English Wikipedia removal discussion page. মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন (talk) 03:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Having received a similar message on my Talk Page, I checked en-wiki discussion and then deleted and salted the WQ article. Not notable, and quotes were very boring. HouseOfChange (talk) 06:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Wikiquoute

I am surprised you consider it appropriate to have a Wikipedia article in Wikiquote. Wikiquote is the place for quotes Yger (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm confused - that page that you tagged for speedy deletion (for Justified) is a page of quotes. Can you clarify your point of view? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Request

Hello, I author requested a page be deleted. Could you do that for me? -GreenSmith06 GreenSmith06 (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Sure, it's done. In the future, it's best to add a speedy delete tag ({{db|Reason}}) rather than a VFD tag. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

An issue with this page

Some anonymous users keep vandalizing The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius/Season 1 with quotes that were never actually heard from the actual episode; I fix them, but they keep reverting and screaming and harassing in the [history.] Please could you help?

2601:81:8401:9870:908B:408E:4837:6AE7 00:30, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

DON'T HELP! 2600:6C50:1640:27:113C:636B:F80C:FF4D 00:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm afraid the vandal is at it again... using another IP address. Please bounce them and also requesting a possible page protection.2601:81:8401:9870:908B:408E:4837:6AE7 06:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

NO! 2600:6C50:1640:27:D61:4256:C492:2551 08:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

It appears that another admin has already taken care of this issue. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Wrong page title

I need an admin's assistance. I was working on creating the Wikiquote page for Hector Cafferata, a Marine and Medal of Honor recipient from the Korean War, and I mistakenly created the page having typed "Cafferta" which is now locked in place. If the issue can be fixed, then I thank anyone who can help in advance. If not, I have to ask that the page be deleted so I can start over with the correct name. AC9016 (talk) 02:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Amendment: The page title is doubly wrong. It needs to be "Hector Cafferata Jr." AC9016 (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Y Done - I moved the page to Hector A. Cafferata Jr. (to match Wikipedia). I did not leave the original as a redirect since it was a misspelling. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. You're the best. AC9016 (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• I created a second page with the wrong page title. I accidentally created the page for Carroll O'Connor as "Caroll O'Connor." As before, I cannot fix the mistake myself, so I will need your help again. I will make a greater effort to proof-read these page titles in the future. --AC9016 (talk) 20:56, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  Y Done ~ UDScott (talk) 12:11, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

author request

Could you please delete the page j. jersawitz I have author requested for deletion? My ip may be slightly different than when I made it, as I don't think it's a static one. But I would be grateful if you could fulfill this request. 2601:5C7:4100:3600:F4F0:708D:50E5:5153 13:30, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Y Done ~ UDScott (talk) 13:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I modified an edit of yours

See

https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_declaration_of_war_on_Japan&diff=3685911&oldid=3685906

Just letting you know, and please let me know if you object to this.

Also, I am reading that "If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page.", but when articles nominated for deletion are changed and improved, in some cases the whole article is rewritten, there is no comment from the person who nominated the article for deletion reflecting the views on a (sometimes completely) rewritten article. If the arguments of the person who did the nomination for deletion are only for a completely different version of the article, is this not against the rules ? --ᘙ (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your change to the suggested merge target and don't really have an objection, although it could be argued that the page is more of a U.S.-centric subject and the target is more focused on Japan's actions related to World War II - but no real objections from me.

As for your question - yes, if significant editing to a nominated page is performed, it should be considered by all who voted for its deletion (including the nominator) and their votes could be revised. I have done this in the past - my preference for doing so is to leave my original vote, but strike it through and enter a new vote beneath it that reflects consideration of the improvements made. But that being said, I don't know that I would characterize it as "against the rules", but just reflective of that user perhaps not being aware of the changes made. In such a case, I would try to ping that user and bring their attention to the edits (prior to the end of the VFD period for the page). Hope that helps. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Shrek inaccuracies

Can you please fix the inaccuracies in Shrek 2, Shrek 3, and Shrek 4? These inaccuracies involve inappropriately Shrek as human instead of ogre as originally intended, as well as vice versa. I'd already fixed that in the first Shrek, but I was nervous about Shrek 2 and 4 (Maybe 3 is okay but you can take care of that just in case). Thank you. 174.92.60.63 11:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Tommy jonathan sinaga

I invite you to discuss why that page is considered not suitable. Thank you. ᘙ5 (talk) ᘙ5 (talk) 17:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

In reality, the page is likely to be nominated for deletion due to lack of notability of this person - and the fact that the listed quotes are sourced to goodreads, which is not considered a reliable original source). But, apart from that, the page is not properly formatted as the quotes should not be italicized. If I had taken more time to look at it thoiugh, I would have likely placed a PROD (proposed deletion) tag on it instead to be honest. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not experienced in writing for wikis. I would be very grateful if you would give me a chance to explain. He is well-known in my area, and there are many sources from various well-known (famous news) Indonesian national media outlets, but I think Goodreads is the most relevant. I will provide the sources I mentioned above.

ref

• 10 Quotes Tommy Jonathan Sinaga Tentang Kehidupan yang Bisa Buat Kamu Makin Bersyukur RCTIplus.com
• Kumpulan Kutipan Kata Bijak Tommy Jonathan Sinaga Yang Membuat Kamu Mengerti Akan Hidup Pikiran-rakyat.com Network Media
• 50 Kata Bijak Tommy Jonathan Sinaga Tentang Cinta, Ngena Banget! Inews National Television.
• Kata-Kata Puitis yang Bisa Taklukkan Sang Kekasih, Ini 25 Kata Bijak dari Tommy Jonathan Sinaga, iNews Surabaya.
• Quotes Tommy Jonathan Sinaga, Bisa Bikin Kamu Kembali Bersemangat, Jakartabisnis.id.
• Kumpulan Kata Bijak Tommy Jonathan Sinaga Mewakilkan Isi Hati dan Perasaan Cinta, fajarharapan.id.
• Kumpulan Kata-kata Bijak Tommy Jonathan Sinaga tentang Kehidupan, Penuh Motivasi untuk Membangkitkan Semangat,inspiring.my.id.
• Tommy Jonathan Sinaga Quotes, IMDB.com
• Quotes Tommy Jonathan Sinaga, Penulis Populer Indonesia, Beritanasional.id
• 99 Kata-kata Estetik Berbagai Tema untuk Caption Foto Medsos Kata-kata Estetik Tema Keluarga (number: 2), wolipop.detik.com.

Can you help me make the page worthy? ᘙ5 (talk) ᘙ5 (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Propaganda Due and Grand Orient of Italy

Hi @UDScott: don't you think there are some meaningful quotes in those articles? I think so. They are highlighted in bold character.

In the second article, Giuliano Di Bernardo, former head of the Grand Orient of Italy, affirms that the The P2 Lodge, until its dissolution in 1982 due to the Anselmi-Spadolini law, was a regular lodge of the Grand Orient of Italy. P2 was a terroristic and Masonic organization, linked to the Italian mafia. Don't you think it is a notable quote to affirm that it, in some way, was part of the Grand Orient of Italy?

Eg. Propganda Due:

• The P2 also wanted Moro's death because it opened the door to the PCI. And Cossiga was powerless.
  • Gherardo Colombo, as quoted in Gherardo Colombo: “Anche la P2 voleva la morte di Moro perché apriva al Pci. E Cossiga fu impotente”, La Repubblica (March 6, 2024)

• With P2 we had Italy in our hands. Then there was the Army, Financial Police, Police: they were clearly commanded by all people from the P2 Masonic Lodge. [...] We never wanted to attack and we couldn't attack, but we were a sentinel to prevent the Communist Party from emerging.
  • Licio Gelli, as quoted in Klaus Davi, 4 December 2008. Video on Youtube.com.

• Licio Gelli: In this country there is only one charismatic figure who can truly lead it: Silvio Berlusconi.

Gomez: Are you really sure about that, Commendatore? Do you really not see anyone else?.

Gelli:Well, there would be one:Dell'Utri, but he has the problem of the Palermo trial...

• Gomez: But in the meantime we know how these things go: he will end up being acquitted.

Gelli:No, they will give him seven years…

• as quoted in Peter Gomez, Licio Gelli, quando il capo della P2 mi disse: ‘Condanneranno Dell’Utri a sette anni’ (December 23, 2015)

Grand Orient of Italy

• The P2 Lodge, until its dissolution in 1982 due to the Anselmi-Spadolini law, was a regular lodge of the Grand Orient of Italy, as attested by extensive documentation that passed between the grand masters Gamberini, Salvini and Battelli on the one hand and Licio Gelli on the other.

Peter Gomez:The existence of the Propaganda Due Lodge was known, but it was not known who exactly its members were?

Giuliano Di Bernardo:Grand Masters knew it, because the Grand Masters signed the badges. The cards of the P2 affiliates bore the signature of the Grand Master, therefore they were all effective members of the Grand Orient of Italy.

• • From an interview of Peter Gomez to Giuliano Di Bernardo, as quoted in Giuliano Di Bernardo: So che esiste un elenco completo di nomi della loggia P2 (April 17, 2023)

87.20.251.214 17:27, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

No, actually I do not feel that these are memorable enough quotes to be preserved here - they may be meaningful in the sense that they pertain to actual people or events, but they just seem a bit dry and they just do not strike me as worthy to be kept here. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Good evening @UDScott:, I have reviewed both the articles, translating some quotes from the Italian WQ. I hope they have become meaningful. 87.20.251.214 19:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)