Wikiquote:Village pump archive 63


Congratulations! edit

“Wikiquote by now has become a reputable source - at least the English version.” (Originally: „Wikiquote ist inzwischen eine seriöse Quelle geworden – jedenfalls die englische Version, ...“) w:de:Gerald Krieghofer in Der Spiegel (This article is for subscribers only; however, I can provide gift links to the first three people asking for it.) SebastianHelm (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, nice find, Sebastian! Good work on all us. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of new templates edit

I don't think it's very controversial, but I wanted to give a heads up to the community that I've been creating a new kind of navigational templates that act as headers to navigate at the top of sequences of articles, such as {{South Park header}}, {{SpongeBob header}}, and {{The Simpsons header}}. This replaces text that was copied and pasted repeatedly in articles and I think it's nice if we keep the formatting consistent across these. I don't care that much how it looks as such, but if they look similar, I think that's preferable. Any feedback is welcome. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating the new navigational templates. Consistency in formatting is a good idea. I've checked them out and they look good to me. Let's keep up the collaborative effort! Saroj (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danielle Jahnke edit

I don't think Danielle Jahnke is notable. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - I've proposed it for deletion. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Rfa, if you want to participate edit

Ottawahitech recently suggested announcing any new Request for Adminship here, so that more people have a chance for input. I have been active here for a few years, creating some content and doing some cleanup. We are a small wiki, so I am offering to pick up a mop to help out with the admin chores. If you want to ask questions or voice opinions, here is the page: Wikiquote:Requests_for_adminship/HouseOfChange. Thanks for being part of this great project. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last days to vote on the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee edit

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Hello all,

I am reaching out to you today to remind you that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) charter will close on 2 February 2024. Community members may cast their vote and provide comments about the charter via SecurePoll. Those of you who voiced your opinions during the development of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines will find this process familiar.

The current version of the U4C charter is on Meta-wiki with translations available.

Read the charter, go vote and share this note with others in your community. I can confidently say the U4C Building Committee looks forward to your participation.

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RamzyM (WMF) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review edit

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, interface administrator, etc.) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis with no inactivity policy. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no logged actions for more than 2 years):

  1. Pmlineditor (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki.

Thanks, Superpes15 (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Announcing the results of the UCoC Coordinating Committee Charter ratification vote edit

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Dear all,

Thank you everyone for following the progress of the Universal Code of Conduct. I am writing to you today to announce the outcome of the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee Charter. 1746 contributors voted in this ratification vote with 1249 voters supporting the Charter and 420 voters not. The ratification vote process allowed for voters to provide comments about the Charter.

A report of voting statistics and a summary of voter comments will be published on Meta-wiki in the coming weeks.

Please look forward to hearing about the next steps soon.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 18:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flood flag edit

I propose the creation of a new user group, "flood flag," on English Wikiquote to prevent repetitive changes from flooding the RecentChanges feed. This will streamline the feed and enhance the user experience for contributors. Saroj (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The group can be added by sysops and removed by sysops and the users themselves. --Saroj (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Saroj, There is no consensus for Fabricator Task T351250 which you started merely two days after posting here. Can you please cancel it until such time that there is proper wq:consensus.
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments edit

According to fabricator this proposal has received community consensus? edit

According to today's version of the Phabricator (see link to the right), there is consensus by this community to add a flood gate:

  • "The English Wikiquote community has discussed enabling a flood flag user group. Here is the consensus of the community. The group can be added by sysops and removed by sysops and the users themselves."

How can this be true when I can clearly see 2 Opposes? Where is consensus defined?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would share your concern that this topic is really not yet decided. But in reading further on the page, I see that the ticket is not currently closed, but rather has been moved from Stalled back to Open, so I believe the discussion can continue. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Report of the U4C Charter ratification and U4C Call for Candidates now available edit

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Hello all,

I am writing to you today with two important pieces of information. First, the report of the comments from the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter ratification is now available. Secondly, the call for candidates for the U4C is open now through April 1, 2024.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members are invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Per the charter, there are 16 seats on the U4C: eight community-at-large seats and eight regional seats to ensure the U4C represents the diversity of the movement.

Read more and submit your application on Meta-wiki.

On behalf of the UCoC project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 16:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Canada survey edit

Hi! Wikimedia Canada invites contributors living in Canada to take part in our 2024 Community Survey. The survey takes approximately five minutes to complete and closes on March 31, 2024. It is available in both French and English. To learn more, please visit the survey project page on Meta. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are song lyrics allowed? edit

Hey folks, new guy here ... I looked through "What Wikiquote is/is not" and didn't see it mentioned, so I'm asking here: May song lyrics be included as quotations? I hope so; I just added a few lines from Pink Floyd's song "Time" to this Category article. If it's not OK, please just revert, no hard feelings. Also, I wrestled with the formatting without much success ... if anyone can fix/improve the way this entry appears, please do, and if necessary, tell me how it should be done. Thanks! Yesthatbruce (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, song lyrics are the same in principle as other material that is likely to be copyrighted, so please just make sure that you're sticking to actually quotable lyrics and not just copy/pasting everything from the Internet indiscriminately. Happy to have you, B. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. Will do re copyright; it's important. And I now realize that I was looking at a Category page, as opposed to a page about a person, such as Bob Dylan, whose page includes trillions of lyrics. Duh. Yesthatbruce (talk) 12:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hindsight is 20/20. I appreciate anyone brave enough to ask a good faith question on the Internet. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2024 Selection edit

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 4 (four) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Board Governance Committee created a Board Selection Working Group from Trustees who cannot be candidates in the 2024 community- and affiliate-selected trustee selection process composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, Nataliia Tymkiv, Esra'a Al Shafei, Kathy Collins, and Shani Evenstein Sigalov [3]. The group is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2024 trustee selection process, and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

  • May 2024: Call for candidates and call for questions
  • June 2024: Affiliates vote to shortlist 12 candidates (no shortlisting if 15 or less candidates apply) [5]
  • June-August 2024: Campaign period
  • End of August / beginning of September 2024: Two-week community voting period
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[5] Even though the ideal number is 12 candidates for 4 open seats, the shortlisting process will be triggered if there are more than 15 candidates because the 1-3 candidates that are removed might feel ostracized and it would be a lot of work for affiliates to carry out the shortlisting process to only eliminate 1-3 candidates from the candidate list.

MPossoupe_(WMF)19:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Include a Quote edit

Good afternoon,

A former teacher of mine, Ramon A. Qeuevedo, that worked at Bebensee Elementary in Arlington, TX would say, "Of course you don't know it, it is called learning. if you knew it, it would be called review.". or "of course you don't know it, it is called learning. if you already knew it, it would be called review." I see that one version of this quote is listed in and the quote is attributed to him. What can I do to include the quote here?

Thank you, Gabby Estrada 1gabbyestrada (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Global ban proposal for Slowking4 edit

Hello. This is to notify the community that there is an ongoing global ban proposal for User:Slowking4 who has been active on this wiki. You are invited to participate at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 (2). Thank you. Seawolf35 (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your wiki will be in read-only soon edit

Trizek (WMF), 00:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caption text is small compared to text in rest of article edit

Any idea how I can fix that? On the page Victor L Berger.

Thanks, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The caption on the image is the standard size. It can be modified with CSS, but why is that necessary? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just seems much too small,[1] no? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a little tiny. Is it smaller than (e.g.) en.wp? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Paid editing is something I would like to know the definition of and how it differs from receiving financial benefit. For example, if you make residuals from having worked on a film, would it be paid editing to make changes to the wikiquote page for that film? If you work for a corporation isn't it a conflict of interest if you added nothing but negative quotes to the page for that corporation's main competitor? What if you're the mayor of a city, can you make edits to the page for that city? What if a family member benefits financially from your edits, like a mayor that benefits from the work of their child editing about their city, it seems pretty extreme to forbid people from editing certain topics because of circumstances beyond their control. Does being imprisoned for your edits count as a form of payment, it does result in food and shelter you might not otherwise have? If jail somehow counts as a form of payment than wouldn't being a slave count as paid editing?
From my present, largely uninformed, point of view a strict definition of paid editing would effectively prevent scientists from writing about their areas of expertise and it would prevent most government employees from writing about pretty much anything, because it seems like pretty much everything has become politicized at this point. Is Wikiquote supposed to be like how the Olympics used to be, where only amateur athletes but not professional athletes were allowed to compete?
Also doesn't reporting someone getting paid for editing require evidence of their identity, which means by reporting them you are doxing them? I thought that was against the rules here as well. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WQ inherits its "paid editing" guideline from Wikipedia, so reading that will answer some of your questions. Doxxing is indeed a much bigger violation of policy than "conflict of interest" editing. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to see how anyone could engage in a fruitful degree of paid editing on this particular project. I suppose a wealthy and widely-quoted person might want a page (low-visibility as it may be), or may want to control contents of their pre-existing page. BD2412 T 02:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a much bigger likelihood of COI editing in a negative way -- for example, the George Galloway article. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The idea of the MO for paid editing being limited to self-portraiture or character assassination is a very limited way of looking at this issue, however the unlikeliness of this rule actually being effectively enforced unless someone self incriminates by posting a photograph onto Wikiquote of themselves being handed money by their financial benefactor (who is also on camera), while publishing an edit with their other hand, makes my concern for this issue laughable. It's a serious issue, but the enforcement of it is essentially nonsensical if it depends entirely on confessions. It also doesn't account for being paid not to edit, like if you work for someone famous that would prefer you not be talking about them on social media, or if you work in the government and your boss doesn't like your politics because it makes your organization look bad. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiquote as homework edit

Would it be against the rules here for a teacher to assign contributing quotations to Wikiquote as homework for their class? Would it make a difference whether the teacher themselves was a contributor? Does the age of the students make a difference? I personally think this would be a bad idea, however that's different than being against the rules. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]