The Road edit

You wrote:

While I was patrolling this afternoon and working on newly created pages, I had transferred The Road to the Cormac McCarthy page before noticing that you had removed it from that page and had created a separate article. If you wish, I can make a new article for it again. Sorry about the oversight. - InvisibleSun 18:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, I just got back on and had not yet noticed it. Yes, I created a separate page for the book because I was adding a lot of quotes from it. I'm in the midst of reading it and anticipate adding much more material soon, so I decided to move it to a separate page since it will likely be large enough for such a move. I know it's current state is borderline for having its own page, but it was a proactive move. It's OK, I can separate it again later on once I finish adding to it. ~ UDScott 20:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Last Boy Scout edit

Can you please explain why you deleted the page I was creating?

Thanks Jaimesamurai 15:20, 3 July 2008

There was no way of knowing you were still creating it. The page had no quotes, which is why it was deleted. The best thing to do when you're creating an article is to wait until you've finished before posting. When a page is sent, we have to treat it as it is; we aren't able to guess what might have been intended. We get a lot of new pages every day; we deal with them as we encounter them so as to keep current and not create a backlog for others. Regards. - InvisibleSun 21:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

George Washington edit

I have two questions.

1. I had a vision he said the quote I put down. Does that count?

2. Can I put quotes I say down about people? 15:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The answer to both questions is no. - InvisibleSun 15:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template: Welcome edit

Isn't there supposed to be a comma before a name in this case? - Arbok 15:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I've edited the template, placing a comma after "Hi." Thanks for the suggestion. - InvisibleSun 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • You may want to update the "What it makes" section, too. - Arbok 15:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I've now made the changes. Thanks. - InvisibleSun 16:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • You're welcome. Oh, I just checked and I guess I could've edited it. I thought it was locked like its template was. XD - Arbok 16:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

InvisibleSun edit

Hi, InvisibleSun!
I am interested in becoming a system operator for your guys' site and helping you guys. =) I was wondering if it would be possible? Respond as soon as possible. - Arbok 05:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry for the delay: I've been packing for a move.

We've been making people sysops after they've been editing for at least several months. The reason for this is to see if they remain interested for the long term, to see that they understand the various policies and practices, and to see how they get along with others. You've been doing a lot of work here over the last several days; continue in this fashion and you might well get your wish one of these months. It could also help to take interest in various ongoing projects (see the section entitled "Useful" at the top of Recent Changes) or to suggest whatever improvements could be made here. - InvisibleSun 05:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By the way, I wasn't able to fully revert all of the vandalism from (Talk) in these two articles:
Could you fix it? - Arbok 15:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I reverted the Suite Life to what it was before the vandalism began. As for the other page, I looked to see what was left of the vandal's efforts; but it appeared that you've already made the necessary changes. The only remaining changes now have been made by the edits of a later, different editor. - InvisibleSun 22:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yay, you! *claps* XD - Arbok 23:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have reported Arbok on the vandalism page. I am the third admin to warn him and he is persisting in his behaviour. Maybe he'll listen to a warning from you.--Yehudi 22:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

J3: Shadow of the Colossi edit

I would hazard that it's safe to delete that page now. Cheers! BD2412 T 09:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Simple English Wikiquote edit

Thank you very much for this edit, because you made me realize there are things I don't know about how Wikiquote works. I've been an administrator on Simple English Wikiquote for more than a year, but most of that time not much was happening there and I wasn't doing much more than deleting vandalism. Just in the last few weeks the project has come alive with a number of new, active users, and I'm spending more time there. We're writing quote pages and policies and starting to write a manual of style, referring to policies and guidelines here and on Simple English Wikipedia. I wonder if you would be willing to answer a few questions about how to write Wikiquote pages. Since you're an administrator and a long-time and active user, I'd appreciate your opinion.

  • I'm wondering how many quotes it's reasonable to allow users to take from a site like before it becomes a copyright violation. I've been thinking about four quotes by a given author, and also trying not to have too many pages dependent on one website.
  • Based on your edit, I guess we're not supposed to list that type of website as a source; I've been doing that wrong. What about a quote from a book of quotations: is it reasonable to list the book of quotations as a source, or would it also count as unsourced if the book doesn't say where the quotation came from?
  • If the book of quotations does say where it came from, do you list that, or give the book of quotations as the immediate citation? (or both?)
  • Is it OK to select an excerpt from a novel or something and put it up as a quotation, or do we only use passages that some other published source has identified as being worthy of selecting as a quotation?

Thanks. Coppertwig 01:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The problem with quotation collections like thinkexist and brainyquote isn't only that they neglect to provide sources, but that it's not to be taken for granted that the quotations they attribute to people were actually written or said by them. These online collections are often full or errors: quotes attributed to someone that were actually by someone else; inaccurate or truncated quotes, etc. If you wish to borrow from those sites, be sure to label the unsourced quotes as unsourced. The same is true with published books of quotations: if a quote isn't sourced, it hasn't been verified and should still be treated as unsourced. If a quote, however, is sourced, then the book, speech, movie, etc. that it comes from is the source and not the quote collection itself. There's no need to cite a quotation book unless there is more than one variation of the quote (as in translations, for example). Likewise, a quotation collection can be cited as a source if a quote can be found nowhere else. It's not a copyright problem to derive quotes from other sources because the quotes actually belong to those who said them or wrote them as well as to their publishers. Wikiquote, for instance, doesn't own any of the quotes on its pages. There is, of course, a copyright question for another reason: namely, the fair use of the quoted person's words. There is, all the same, a way to violate the copyright of a quotation collection, which is to use not only the quotes themselves but the format they appeared in. For example, a calendar of quotations has quotes by days and months. If someone copied this same matchup of dates with quotes, the publisher could have grounds to claim a copyright violation. As for the choice of quotes from novels or other works, feel free to include any you think worthy of being quoted. At Wikiquote we don't limit ourselves to well-known quotes; our concern is more with the quality of the quotes and the notability of the people who said or wrote them. I wish you success in your work and hope that I have been of some help. - InvisibleSun 03:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much for your help. Yes, your answers are very helpful. Coppertwig 14:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Stand edit

I appreciate your effort to merge The Stand (miniseries) and The Stand (TV miniseries), but in my humble opinion, you did it in the wrong direction. You took the material from the original article (the majority of which I created over three years ago, among many other contributions from others), merged it into a brand-new article from a single contributor. You also did not include the edit history of the much-longer one in the new one's discussion page, something required by GFDL. I'd respectfully suggest that you should have merged the new one into the old one, copied its much shorter history into the old one's talk page, deleted the new one, and then moved the old one into the new title.

I've reversed the merge by copying your work into the old one and then completing the steps I recommend above, so that the original article's history is preserved and the new article's history is listed on the discussion page. Please consider these points, especially the GFDL requirement for edit history, in future merges. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright cleanup edit

I've barely been online at all for the past week, but I have been trying to skim through the current furor over a possible WQ shutdown over copyright issues. I noticed you were planning on creating at "Wikiquote: Copyright Cleanup Project" page. It sounds like what we'd started long ago at Wikiquote:Copyrights#Reports, but haven't really follow through with. I definitely would like to see a more organized version of this that isn't part of the (draft) policy page.

You might want to use the WikiProject nomenclature, like Wikiquote:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup. So far, we've only managed to start one, Wikiquote:WikiProject Policy Revision, and it hasn't really been used much. But if there's any WikiProject that Wikiquote should have, copyright cleanup's gotta be it!

Anyway, I look forward to your efforts, whatever form they take, and I hope we can get participation, which is the real challenge. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yesterday I created the Wikiquote:Copyright Cleanup Project page. I've asked editors to note every time they've completed an article. In this way the page will keep appearing in Recent Changes and serve as a reminder that the project exists.

By the time I've proceeded a while in trimming articles, people will probably tell each other that I am, like Richard III,

"The wretched, bloody, and usurping boar,
That spoil'd your summer fields and fruitful vines."

Nevertheless I'll snuffle along, tusks and all, until we're done.- InvisibleSun 23:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiquote:Copyright Cleanup Project edit

Many thanks for taking part in this work. You've already done so well on The Fellowship of the Ring. - InvisibleSun 22:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Too kind! I'll never get into the Tolkien fan club now, but then none of us are doing this to be popular. In any case Tolkien has to be a priority: his publishers sue. --Antiquary 12:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're needed as a --Aphaia 22:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Bureaucrat edit

Given the situation with Cato/Poetlister/Yehudi, we need some new 'Crats. From where I sit, you and UDScott are the best choices. Will you accept a nomination? BD2412 T 04:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I concur with BD2412: we need new crats and you are a good candidate. Trustworthy, active and diligent. --Aphaia 08:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll need some on-the-job education when it comes to the technical and inter-wiki aspects of being a bureaucrat, e.g., things that I never paid attention to as a sysop; but as long as people aren't put off by my occasional novice questions, I accept the nomination. - InvisibleSun 18:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For sure! I would like to add there is not so much crosswiki issues on b'crat works in our current scheme of WQ:USURP. --Aphaia 22:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikiquote:Requests for bureaucratship/InvisibleSun is now open. Please accept! BD2412 T 17:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow edit

Thanks for your edits to the Aria of Sorrow article. I was a bit confused on the relevant policies in relation to games and the presentation of quotes, but this has cleared stuff up quite a bit. Cheers, sephiroth bcr (converse) 18:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WQ:VP split? edit

Could you please give a look and your opinion to Wikiquote talk:Village pump#Split??--Aphaia 05:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Crossroads edit

But … but … where does it say that a 96-minute film can't have more than 8 quotes? – 22:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We've been working on revised copyright guidelines for quotes, as seen here. Although the guidelines haven't been finalized, there's already a consensus about a number of things, including five quotes per hour for films. A 96-minute film would therefore get a maximum of eight quotes. - InvisibleSun 23:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gideon Tucker edit

Hi. I'm new here at Wikiquote, as I usually hang out at Wikipedia. Recently, you removed the source for the quote at Gideon Tucker stating Quote changed to Unsourced because link did not name source. I've found another source saying where it got it from here. Is it OK, or do I need to go find a book? Ilikepie2221 22:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since the link names the source, that'll do nicely. Thanks for the work of finding it. - InvisibleSun 23:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Noel fielding prod request edit

Hello, InvisibleSun, while I personally agree with you on your rationale on that page at that moment and no context is given yet to that quote, an editor has worked on it and it has now some more quotes. Could you please give a look again and consider what should happen next? Thanks! --Aphaia 06:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have now removed the Prod tag based on the current state of the article. - InvisibleSun 18:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please restore history edit

Hello, I created Pacman Jones (now moved to Adam Jones (American football)) on 28 August. But the current article history shows that the article was created on 15 September by I believe you deleted my edits here. Please restore so my edits appear in the history. Thanks, Mike R 14:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I restored the Pacman Jones page for your August 27 edit which included the quote. I then redirected the page to Adam Jones (American football). Anyone reviewing the history of Pacman Jones will see now that your August 27 edit had created the article and supplied the quote. - InvisibleSun 18:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks... edit

Thanks for keeping an eye on my talk page. I'd recommend blocking that IP for a longer period; it's only used by one person, and a longer block (as I've done on enwiki) would be good protection here as well. --Jpgordon 14:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Two quotes per episode edit

I am unaware of any rule that limits the number of quotes allowed per an episode of a TV series. Where would I find such a rule written? --Jnelson09 03:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I must not have read your mail to me on October 5; I apologize for having overlooked it. For the specific discussion of television pages in our revised guidelines discussion, please see Wikiquote:Village_pump#TV_series. We reached a consensus that we will have two quotes maximum per half-hour episodes and five quotes maximum per hour-long episodes. - InvisibleSun 17:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Bureaucrat edit

Congratulations and welcome aboard, InvisibleSun. You are now a bureaucrat.

Relevant links are found at WQ:AN#INSTRUCTIONS - please watch Wikiquote:Bots, WQ:RENAME, WQ:USURP and WQ:RFA. If you think it is appropriate to have a page for bureaucrat instruction, please do :)

I'm excited to work with you in this sphere too, Cheers, --Aphaia 06:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Belated congratulations from me as well. I missed your candidacy, but I'm sure you and UDScott will be of great help to the project in this role as you both have as admins. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright cleanup edit

Oops - sorry didn't mean to step on your toes on The Breakfast Club. I just ran across it in reviewing RC for the last couple of days and felt like taking a crack at it. Then I noticed you had added it to your list of to-do's. Sorry about that. Feel free to make other changes to the page if you want - I just tried to at least get it down to 8 quotes, based on the running time. ~ UDScott 12:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree that eight quotes seem right for the length of the movie. It's no problem, either, that you had worked on one of my choices. There's plenty more (alas!) to be done. - InvisibleSun 17:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Twin Peaks edit

I was recently looking over the Twin Peaks page, which is one of the articles tagged for copyvio review. Under the new guidelines we've been working on, a TV series would be nominated for deletion (on the grounds of possible copyvio) if none of the quotes were identified by episode. Since Twin Peaks had 30 episodes, however, it seems to me that this page might not be in violation (i.e., five quotes maximum for an hour-long show) if only the quotes were identified by episodes. As you had created the article and supplied many of its quotes, I was wondering if you would like to work on it as a part of the copyright project. - InvisibleSun 18:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That would be karmic punishment, eh? Yes, I'll do it. But I'll have to steel myself before I tackle Mystery Science Theater 3000, my true debt to the project. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Over 9000 edit

It's alright. ;) --Execoot 22:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protection edit

We now can protect non-existing pages: just delete it and then protect. Cheers, --Aphaia 17:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the info. I have now made a deletion and protection for the Sam Rose page. - InvisibleSun 19:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User talk: edit

Just so that you're not confused, I've been blocked since September 30 and it has been expired on October 7, so now that it's done I just thought of removing my messages. -- 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

QotD edit

Thank you for requesting checkuser at AN. It would be good to determine whether the SPA is a puppet or an innocent disciple. The recent goings-on at QotD, while not overtly disruptive, have deterred me from participating. ~ Ningauble 13:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please be aware edit

I just want to mention that this person...Wikisaver62 seems more than a bit like a vandal. I wouldn't be surprised if it's another sockpuppet. Please just keep track of this person's activity as the user page and contributions look almost exactly like our past "sockpuppet extraordinaire" Wikistar's handiwork. Zarbon 03:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

4 quote limit edit

(in reference to me adding 4 new quotes to At World's End) I'll bite. Why would there be a limit? RecklessFire 21:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We're creating new guidelines in order to respect copyrights and to maintain the quality of articles. See Wikiquote:Village pump#Copyright guidelines for trimming articles, II: Consensus for the guidelines we have been discussing. Our experience has been that a community of editors, left to their own discretion, will keep adding quotes but never subtract any. They don't even see a problem if they end up duplicating entire film and TV scripts. For this reason, we're now imposing limits and trimming articles (see Wikiquote:Copyright Cleanup Project. - InvisibleSun 21:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Well that makes sense (even though 4 seems a little small of a number) but I respect the decision. RecklessFire 21:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The limit for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End is 14. It's a little hard to read, I notice, on the edit summary. - InvisibleSun 21:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I saw "!4" and went with four (since the dialogue section only had 4 quotes). It is very hard to read. Oh, and sorry about adding that Jack Sparrow quote earlier today. I didn't see your edit until afterward, and by then had completely forgotten I added it. I have a very bad memory.RecklessFire 22:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stargate Atlantis edit

Hi there, you'll be interested to know that I have completed trimming the first season. I'll be getting on with the rest ASAP. -- Matthew R Dunn 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for volunteering to trim the article; it's much appreciated. - InvisibleSun 22:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Studs Terkel suggestion edit

I moved your suggestion for Studs Terkel for 1 November QOTD to 2 November, as it was a good suggestion, but too late for it to attain sufficient ranking to use for the 1 November slot. I retained your ranking of 4 for it, and ranked it 4 myself. ~ Kalki 00:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bobby Jindal edit

Hey there, You added a stub description to the Bobby Jindal page on wikiquote. I was hoping you could tell me when to include that and when not. I was under the impression that Wikiquote pages only require a very brief bio on individuals. Thanks! aero

A stub tag is for quotes. The intro's fine as is. - InvisibleSun 23:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks edit

Thanks for your kind words supporting my nomination for adminship. I will try not to make a mess as I learn to use the tools. ~ Ningauble 02:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandalism edit

Wikiquote will never be able to be free from vandalism if idiots like you are given administrative power. --Muhawwww 23:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My first edit was at 23:49. So it took more than 10 minutes for you to understand vandalism is going on. Shame for you. --Muhawwww 00:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Double-checking something edit

Took care of a couple of pending VfDs just to break in the new mop, but I got confused when I went to archive them; Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log/2008 November has comments for when they were started, but it looks like they're archived based on when the VfD was closed, not when they were nominated.

I understand the comments' purpose on the main VfD page, but shouldn't we just ditch them for the archives? (since they don't matter) EVula // talk // // 22:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The closed logs are archived based on the day of nomination. For example, Pakistani air force, the first item in the November log, was nominated on November 1 and closed on November 8. It was listed by its nomination date when it was entered in the archive, as can be seen by using the edit function on the log page. If it had been nominated on October 31 and closed in November, it would have been in the October log.

The comments may not seem to serve a function once a VfD is closed, but it could be argued that they're potentially useful. Sometimes when I've gone to nominate an article for VfD, it turned out that the page had been previously nominated and deleted. The comments show the reason for the previous deletion. If the reason for the new VfD is the same, then the page could simply be speedily deleted with the reason "Previously deleted subject." I can't think offhand if we've ever had a VfD on the same subject for a different reason, so I'm not sure what our procedure would be. A PROD would do just as well in that case, I would say. - InvisibleSun 23:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, I must have just jumped to a confusion. Thanks for setting me straight. EVula // talk // // 06:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's your source on Matt Taibbi's birthday? edit

You edited his WikiQuote page to say that his birthday was February 3rd. The only other sources I've seen, and the Wikipedia page itself, put his birthday sometime in March. Care to provide a link of some sort? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) on November 22, 2008 at (UTC)

Actually, my source was Wikipedia. In November 2007, when I added his DOB, it was posted as February 3, 1970 on his WP page. It has now been changed (as of October 2008) to March 1970 by a user named "Taibbi," who claims on the article's talk page to be Taibbi himself and says that he doesn't want his actual DOB to be posted. I will therefore change it to March 1970 on the WQ page. - InvisibleSun 20:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you edit

Thank you for the helpful formatting at Madame de La Fayette. :) Cirt (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiquote talk:Limits on quotations edit

Just a heads up that I posted a discussion point here that you may want to weigh in on. Thanks! ~ UDScott 02:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

!Voting in dates edit

Hello, InvisibleSun. I noticed a lot of date pages have !voting in them, such as January 1 (and every other month and date). I was wondering how exactly you format your !vote. Does "1" mean you like it the most? Can you !vote with the same number in different sections? etc. I would really like to start participating in these sort of pages. Thanks, – RyanCross (talk) 05:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi folks. I posted an answer to this at User talk:RyanCross. Cheers! ~ Ningauble 14:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for your edit edit

[1]RyanCross (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SUL usurpation request edit

Hi, could you take a look at my request at Wikiquote:Changing_username/Usurpation#Foobar_--.3E_Doug when you get a chance? This is one of the only projects on which I don't have User:Doug as my user name, I created this account as a temp account. For some reason I could not create User:BewareofDoug, which I also have on most other projects (but is not unified).--Foobar 21:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think you moved the userpage but forgot to rename the old user:Doug and then rename me to User:Doug. Thanks.--Foobar 00:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need Help with Enforcing Guidelines edit

In keeping with the new guidelines on unsourced quotes, I am attempting to remove two quotes from the Rush Limbaugh page that are from a secondary source that does not cite a primary source (besides “Rush Limbaugh”). Other than that one book, I have found no other source for the quotes. I keep removing the quotes, and another user keeps restoring them. I finally moved them to an “Attributed” section as a compromise, but the same user keeps moving them back to “Sourced.” Can you help me resolve this issue? I don’t know what to do, since this user seems determined to restore the quotes, even though they clearly violate guidelines about sourcing. Any assistance would be appreciated. The Vidiot 06:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The quotes do not violate WQ guidelines about sourcing. "Vidiot" has been trying to scrub the page of these sourced quotes for months. He has failed on the Talk Page, failed at the Village Pump, and failed on the Admin Board to gain consensus. So now he's making up stuff here. These quotes are sourced, and are annotated that way on the page in question. -- 16:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have found people on the Talk page, the Village Pump, and the Admin board who all agree that since the book does not cite a primary source (i.e. the actual air date or speech where the quotes were made), the quotes should be removed as unsourced. Yet despite this, the above user keeps restoring them. The quotes are not sourced. I have seen the book, and no mention of the source work is provided. The Vidiot 17:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Repeat: The book cites Limbaugh as a primary source, for over thirty quotes. "Vidiot" is on a mission to remove the sourced quotes that deal with race from the Limbaugh page. This "actual air date" chicanery is a smokescreen. The book is not a collection of time-stamped radio transcripts.
"Vidiot" is also misstating the truth. He has not "found people on the Talk page, the Village Pump, and the Admin board who all agree that since the book does not cite a primary source," etc. He is relying on an invented premise that the book in question does not cite a primary source. It does. It cites Limbaugh. On his radio show. -- 00:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can’t just say “primary source” and make it true. The name of the speaker is NOT a primary source; it HAS to include the specific work (speech or book) that the quote was taken from. The speaker itself is NOT sufficient. And by the way, there are plenty of sourced quotes that deal with race on the Limbaugh page, and I have not touched most of them. The only ones I have an issue with are the Huberman ones, since those are the ones that have not shown up anywhere else, and do not include an air date or speech. Therefore, they are unsourced. And yes, the book is not a collection of time-stamped radio transcripts, but if the quotes are correctly cited, then they should include an air date. They do not. The Vidiot

07:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Please see my last 12 posts, and the WQ sourcing guidelines, for a complete refutation of your above stonewalling. I'm going to regard your continued scrubbing of the sourced, linked quotes as vandalism -- 13:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can regard it as whatever you want, and you have sufficiently quoted the secondary source, but without a specific primary-source citation, the quotes are attributed, not sourced. The Vidiot 17:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To InvisibleSun: So, obviously, "Vidiot" is going to do the WQ equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALALALA, unless he gets what he wants. I've restored the sourced quotes, with the linked cites, and "Vidiot" is intent on continuing his edit war. Could you please block him if he persists with this nonsense? Thx. -- 23:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am repeating what I have always said: The quotes in question do not have a primary source (which includes citation of the SPECIFIC work being quoted, not just the name of the speaker), so they are, by definition, not sourced. Meanwhile, you continue reverting my edits (without comments, I might add), while refusing to do any research to find the actual source of the quotes. If there is anyone sticking his fingers in his ears here, it is you. I have initiated discussion after discussion on this topic, and the responses are always, “If there is not a primary source, the quotes should be removed.” You are the one refusing to admit that there is no primary source. The Vidiot 01:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seriously. It's getting sad. -- 02:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have now made an initial reply to all of this at Wikiquote:Village pump#Rush Limbaugh Edit War. - InvisibleSun 02:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harmon Leon edit

I removed your PROD "Unsourced and inadequately sourced quotes" from Harmon Leon because the books it names do exist. Quality and notability of this humorist / wannabe gonzo journalist is another mater... ~ Ningauble 15:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Someone can use a rename&block edit

UserKizu Naoko enjoys chikan needs one. Maxim(talk) 22:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have blocked the user permanently as a vandal account. - InvisibleSun 22:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CommonsDelinker edit

CommonsDelinker is a global bot, but doesn't have a local flag. Can you fix that? It just flooded RC a bit, and since it's a globally-approved bot, it doesn't need any local discussion. EVula // talk // // 23:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I confess that I've never done one of these actions before and can't find the right tool on Wikiquote. (I'm feeling like a bit of a tool myself for not knowing these things already.) I have a reservation, all the same, before proceeding. The Commons Delinker deletes images that have usually been added by Kalki, who sometimes finds replacements for these images upon seeing them discarded. Perhaps, then, we should allow things to remain as they are. - InvisibleSun 22:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For the technical part, I think you just go to Special:Userrights, and type in "CommonsDelinker", and then click "bot", and that should add the bot flag. Cirt (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I thought for bots you should use Special:MakeBot. Is that corrrect? RyanCross @ 22:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, that's probably right, thanks. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what it's worth, the Wikipedia instructions don't specify which should be used. Personally, I prefer Special:UserRights, but that's just because it's used for everything else (and you have to use it anyway to create an admin bot). EVula // talk // // 23:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Caldwell & Martinez edit

Suggestion: If this was a hoax article you should probably delete it and then protect against recreation? Cirt (talk) 14:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No need to protect against recreation unless there is a track record of the entry being re-created several times despite deletion. In order to have it protected the title must exist in our database, and why even have that? BD2412 T 15:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, in that case, it should just be deleted, as at present it is blanked. Cirt (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Y Done Deleted and protected; only a sysop can create a page there now. EVula // talk // // 16:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! Cirt (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. Good site. vandal edit

You and I both jumped on (talk): you warned and I blocked at the same time. I commented on this pattern vandal at VIP. Your thoughts on handling this would be appreciated. ~ Ningauble 03:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have now made a reply on Wikiquote:Vandalism in progress. - InvisibleSun 03:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

s-sorry edit

Im s-sorry I n-needed m-more quotes


at last. i get tired of pov pushers... thanx bro. --CuteHappyBrute 01:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

POV pushers? I'm guessing that refers to me. Have you noticed that the entire Macedonia (region) article consists of unremarkable quotes that were included by true POV pushers, such as yourself, to say: "Macedonia is Greek, the existence of ethnic Macedonians is a bunch of bullshit. They are Bulgarians who were brainwashed by Tito." I would love for you, or anyone, to tell me which POV I was pushing. The name excepted on Wikipedia and all of its sister projects is "Republic of Macedonia", and I was simply trying to uphold that. I even let "(also known as former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia)" stay in the article. POV pusher? Give me a break. Local hero 01:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hey. isn't the "Macedonia (region)" naming redundant? the intro explains.. WP names so to disambiguate. here there isn't any other article to disambiguate and it sounds pleonastic... --CuteHappyBrute 07:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who died... edit

...and made you king of the Jimmy Wales quote page? -- Thekohser 19:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You are welcome to join the !vote discussion that I started here. Please wait for consensus to build before again destroying the product of other volunteers' hard work. -- Thekohser 19:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

John Updike suggestions edit

I didn't use any of the John Updike suggestions I made for the January 28th QOTD, but moved 3 of them to the page for January 27, as relating to the date of his death and the highest ranking of them to January 29 using the rankings you had given them for today. ~ Kalki 00:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Prod edit

Hey, you are probably right about a prod on Grigori rasputin instead of a db, I just thought since there was only one unsourced quote, not more than that, and no information on the individual, it wasn't worth the prod. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfB thankspam! edit

Just wanted to drop you a line to thank you for your support of my RfB, which just closed with unanimous support. :) EVula // talk // // 19:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unblock? edit

Can you unblock my Arbok account? See my talk page and its history for details. - Pikachu 00:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jimmy Neutron edit

Go by what the official site says: - Pikachu 23:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apology edit

Dear InvisibleSun,

I would like to apologize for my behavior. I wasn't trying to be a sockpuppet (whatever that is) or vandalize. I really was trying to help because I noticed you guys didn't have an article for the Discovery Kids show Hi-5. Anyway, I sincerely apologize and hope I can become a better contributor when my Arbok account is unblocked in April.

- Sincerely,
Amaury Garcia (Arbok/Pikachu)

A sockpuppt is an extra account used for vandalism. When you get blocked, because of vandalism, and you use another ip or make another account, that's a sock(puppet). Sock is short. 04:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: Catherine of Aragon edit

Thanks for that catch, sorry about that. I will correct that, or of course feel free to yourself. Cirt (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed, but feel free to doublecheck. Cirt (talk) 04:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some questions from a newbie edit

I've just started becoming more active on Wikipedia, and I wanted to see if I could contribute here as well. I thought that Birds of Prey (comic) would be a good place to start, but before I did anything, I had a few questions about the right way to do it.

1) I have the entire Birds of Prey series, and there are some good quotes I'd like to add. However, having seen some of the discussion at the Village Pump about how many quotes to permit for various other forms, I wasn't sure what kind of limitations there are.

2) In the list of Birds of Prey quotes, they appear to be grouped by story arc and there is no specific issue cited. What is the correct way to go about grouping and citing, especially since there are some issues that are stand-alone issues and not part of a story arc?

3) How much fullness should go into the initial introductory comments? For Birds of Prey, it says, "Birds of Prey is a DC Comics comic book which features a mainly female cast. The core of this series are the superheroines Oracle, Black Canary and the Huntress.". However, Huntress didn't join until issue 68, and for the last 2 1/2 years, Black Canary was not on the team. I know it shouldn't come close to duplicating a lengthy Wikipedia article, but I wasn't sure what the guidelines are.

4) There are some other well-written comic series that have quotes worth mentioning, and I was wondering what the guidelines are in terms of whether a quote should be attributed to a comic series or a comic character, as well as how prominent the series or character should be.

Thanks from a newbie who wants to learn. Bradp521 03:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It occurred to me while reading your post that we don't yet have a guideline for the number of quotes in comic books (or in comic strips, for that matter). Therefore I'm going to add a post to the talk page of Wikiquote:Limits on quotations in which our general community could discuss this further. You're welcome, of course, to take part in the discussion there. I'll be posting the topic either tonight or tomorrow. As for the current Birds of Prey (comic) page, the quotes should be grouped by issue and not by story arc or character. Issues would provide verifiable sources, whereas arc and character sections would not. The intro length should be about one or two lines. In this case, the first sentence of the Wikipedia article is all that would be needed. - InvisibleSun 20:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your help on this. So far, I've worked on the quotes from the miniseries and one-shots. Can you look at what I've done before I delve into the series itself? Thanks again! 03:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I've looked over the Birds of Prey (comic) page. You've done an excellent job. Your note today reminds me that I had forgotten to post to Wikiquote talk:Limits on quotations, which I still intend to do. - InvisibleSun 02:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Léon (oops) edit

Sorry about that. I was looking at an unrefreshed window. ~ Ningauble 17:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for help edit

I posted this on wikipedia here:

Since you have edited my favorite anarchist writer, InvisibleSun, I thought that you could help:

Please Correct Mistake edit

Hello. I was checking material on my favorite anarchist writer, and I noticed that wikipedia had deleted an article on him even though the "majority" were opposed. In your deletion you posted a comment on "this is not a majority decision," but it looks like a "Soviet-style" rigging to me. Please take another look.

The deletion vote is here, with the majority voting to "keep" before you deleted it. (Note that the keep won by 10 to 7, but you deleted it!)

The anarchopedia article on the person is here:

Note that on anarchopedia he has more hits than Jesus and Bush!

Thank you. Cheers.

(Another point: If you refuse to reverse your decision, to whom may I address my complaint? I am not experienced in such things

--Tsmollet (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, InvisibleSun. --Tsmollet 22:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Electronic Games edit

Can you create a page listing all the Electronic Games found in this Wiki and add a requested page section to it so I can request creation of those pages?(Dennys 17:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Requested pages section edit

I need a requested pages section so I can request which electronic games like Red Alert 3 needs to be created.(22:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC))

PROD removed edit

Hello, I've removed your PROD on Alex Rodriguez as I've added two sourced quotes by the subject into the article and moved the rest of the unsourced quotes to the the talk page. I was going to find sources for the article eventually, but when you added the PROD I went ahead and did it now. Just thought you should know. If you have any concerns or disagreements, don't hesitate to tell me. I'm sure we can work it out. Thanks. — RyanCross (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page deletion edit

Thanks for dealing with the vandalism on my user page. However, the page had a long history which you've deleted rather than just reverting the vandalism. Please can you restore that? Thanks. Angela 16:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The previous history has now been restored. - InvisibleSun 02:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The missing lynx edit

How come this movie isn’t notable? I’m currently working on the Russian version of the article [2]. As the movie doesn’t have official Russian translation (the only one is a terrible one created by pirates), I thought quotes in English would be more adequate.

The movie itself IS notable. It won two respected awards (Goya and AniMadrid; see Russian article). What kind of notability do you want? / Athari / 23:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When film pages are created on English Wikiquote, the usual means of testing notability would be to check for an article in English Wikipedia; if none is there, the English-language IMDB would be another route. As the film didn't appear in either source and had only about 40,000 hits on Google, I deleted it for lack of notability. Based on what you have written here about the Goya award, I tried looking for alternative titles. Paws on the Run, its subtitle, is one; its title in Spanish, Gritos en el pasillo, turns out to be the title of its IMDB entry. My advice to you when creating an article is to include an introduction, identifying a film, mentioning awards, etc. It would be more helpful to do this than to make editors/readers have to do this research instead.

Although I still believe this film to have borderline English-language notability, I wouldn't be opposed to the article's re-creation according to our guidelines; other editors, however, may not agree and could conceivably propose its deletion. If you want the article created anew, keep in mind the copyright limits per Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. The film is 75 minutes long, which would allow a maximum of six quotations. - InvisibleSun 00:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here’s English IMDB link (according to Google cache, it was titled “The missing lynx” some time ago, but it seems they decided to use the original title). OK, I’ll put some stub info to the quotes page. I think this kind of information is more appropriate in Wikipedia, not Wikiquotes, but you decide. I don’t really have time to create a proper stub in English Wikipedia.
Actually, the film is 97 minutes long, according to IMDB. So the formula N/12 allows eight quotes.
It appears that the film I had thought it to be, based on this erroneous reference, is a different one altogether. Wikiquote intros need only be one sentence — just enough to identify the subject, including a link to its Wikipedia article. Since there is no article in this case, it would be a good idea to add a sentence giving an indication of its renown. - InvisibleSun 01:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update edit

Can you please stop putting things up for deletion? We are trying the best to add more notable quotes into those pages.(Dennys 17:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Also we need more users here.(Dennys 17:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

To begin with, most of the pages proposed for deletion have had no sourced quotes. See Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. If someone made an edit on Wikipedia, he would be expected to prove it was factual. It's no different here at Wikiquote. Sourcing quotes is our equivalent to factuality.

As for needing more editors: do you mean that deleting pages, no matter how bad the quality, will discourage further edits? It could just as well be argued that showing what is inadequate will encourage people to do better. If people aren't willing to do things well and to learn from their mistakes, how much use will their contributions be?

I've answered your objections before, as in the matter of trimming pages for copyright. You do not reply to the answers but merely repeat the same objections in other posts. - InvisibleSun 02:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

3 quotes max per videogame?!! edit

lol I haven't come to Wikiquote for sometime and I am shocked to see that just how many quotes had been removed from most video game pages I had a look. No offense, but what is the "3 quotes per game" rule and what is the point of it anyway? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by M Carson (talkcontribs) On June 14, 2009 at 13:17 (UTC)

It's part of Wikiquote:Limits on quotations, which was arrived at to deal with copyright violations and with quality concerns in general. Video game pages have been of particular concern: they have been edited with almost no regard to copyright and have had largely unremarkable quotes. Their editors tend to add just about anything, including instructions. A maximum of three quotes is not unreasonable, considering the fairly limited amount text of most video games compared to films, TV shows, etc. - InvisibleSun 16:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps we should ameliorate this rule with a bit of proportionality. Some games have very little quotable material in the entire game, but there are some recent examples that have become almost like movies in terms of character development. I propose that the rule be set for mission-type games in terms of hours of gameplay that can typically be expected to complete the game. BD2412 T 02:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We seem to moving toward a consensus that the three-quote limit is insufficiently flexible; see, for example, Ningauble's comment at Wikiquote talk:Limits on quotations#Electronic games limit. Since I know next to nothing about electronic games, I'll leave it to those who have experience to propose alternatives. - InvisibleSun 02:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggestion edit

Hey, have you considered turning on the Clean Delete Reasons gadget in the preferences? It'd strip out the automatically generated summaries (that usually include the content of the page, for good or bad) and make the logs look much cleaner.

Of course, it's totally a personal preference, but I thought I'd drop you a line about it anyway. :) EVula // talk // // 03:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Lightsaber Duels edit

Please get on with the deletion so it can be rewritten with more notable quotes in the future.(Dennys 18:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Edward Ravenscroft edit

I just checked an article I added way back when (Edward Ravenscroft) which references The "Shakespere" Allusion Book. You changed the spelling to Shakespeare (the modern acceptable version), but the (older) book was in fact titled using "Shakespere". I'm just correcting it back, so you know. Thanks for your time, Chris 06:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

French/English edit

Hi InvisibleSun. Would you review this change I made to a translation? The meaning looked backward to me but I have no French myself, so I could be wrong and the idiom could be off. Thanks. ~ Ningauble 14:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with the change you had made. "Elle a eu souvent pour cause" literally means "it [i.e., the impression that science is over] has often had for a cause." If the first translation had said "it has often been caused by an explosion," etc., it would have been correct; but it would be plainer and more idiomatic English to say, as you did, "often because of an explosion," etc. - InvisibleSun 21:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks edit

Thanks for your comment on my talk page, much appreciated! I've been reading Wikiquote for a few years, and I thought I'd take a stab at implementing some of the policies I've read (as the admins and dedicated editors here seem to have their hands full--so much to be organized, so few hands!). I don't know if you remember; but, I do: Way back when (a couple years ago) I did make a single contribution to Wikiquote, creating the article Edward Ravenscroft. You were the nice editor who came along and tidied up my contribution soon after I added it; my formatting was imperfect, and you quickly made the contribution presentable -- I've always remembered :) .... I'm working on editing another film right now; I'll check out that link you put on my talk page right after I'm done. Thanks again, Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 00:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Haha wow... I just noticed that entry two above this one on your talk page. I completely forgot about that. A couple weeks ago I just looked back at the article and noticed the discrepancy and messaged you before I made an account. I completely forgot. Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 00:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Good job on that Bioshock article; I was too lazy to actually do it — and I don't know enough about the subject matter (i.e., the game) to even know where to start. It's good that we can keep it now. Just curious, I have read around here that Wikiquote has been somewhat "chastised" for copyright issues; is there no issue with the fact that all copy-vios that we're now in the process of removing will remain in article histories? Or is that considered a moot point. Because it would be horrible if we had to delete all pages that became "violatory" and start them from scratch. Good job! Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS In my monitoring of the recent changes, I noticed that you had blocked a user with an anti-Semitic (to put it lightly) name. Now, does that User page, complete with name, stay here forever, or is it possible to delete it and protect against account creation with that name? I'm just curious how the procedure works; it would be unfortunate if it had to stay there like that forever.
1) Last year the Wikimedia Foundation debated whether to close down all Wikiquotes, chiefly on the grounds of copyright violations. During that discussion, as well as in our own discussion here at Wikiquote, it was also agreed that unsourced quotes should be removed from articles. The question then arose whether unsourced quotes could be transferred to talk pages. The Wikimedia response was that if Wikiquote were to be considered as a publication, the talk pages would not be included; they exist only for the editing community and would not be part of "the project." By the same reasoning, I would argue, edit summaries and article histories are not included in the project. Only what appears in the current versions of articles should be a matter for copyright concern.

2) I agree that it would be better to delete and protect the offensive username rather than block it; I have gone ahead and done this. - InvisibleSun 16:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just a heads up edit

I'm starting to give myself the bot flag when dealing with Dennys' vandalism; it helps to keep the RecentChanges page free of clutter.

And, as an aside... sheesh. :) EVula // talk // // 04:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the hand edit

Thanks for that save at England. The same thing just happened at Francisco Franco, where I had removed 3 conspiracy-theory quotes to the talk page and re-added the original Spanish of the quotes. I am going to revert it once, if you'd take a look if the editor calls my fixing "vandalism" again. Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 05:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PS I'm tempted to check through all that contributor's contributions now....
Editor (User:Gennarous) reverted again (stating that I'm "apparently a freemason" and a vandal). I'm going to leave it alone for now, but he removed the original Spanish of some quotes, and re-added the Freemasonry quotes to the article (with dubious / weak tertiary sources, stating that they are the "specific source," so the editor obviously doesn't know the basics about sourcing). He also now thinks I'm stalking him because I checked some of his older contributions due to the "questionable" nature of his edits at England. Thanks, Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 05:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Appears User:Ningauble already had to revert him at Franco for removal of Spanish. Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 05:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This user seems to be stalking me or quite simply trolling. He randomly performed a drive by "blanking" of quotes which are dated, located and reported in sources, specifically in this case by the official journal of the Grand Lodge of England documenting the situation of freemasons during the time of Franco. Also since this is the English not Spanish Wikiquote, why would we need anything other than the English quotations? This user is incredibly irritating and acidic, has contributed absolutely nothing so far and needs to do something, anything, than his current unconstructive pest like behaviour. - Gennarous 05:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quotes weren't blanked; as per standard, they were moved to talk, to be quoted by secondary sources. Oh, and the constant standard on Wikipedia for foreign languages is that we include the original with a translation. This is basic academic rigor. Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 06:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm about to retire for the night; either I or another administrator will be reviewing the situation tomorrow. - InvisibleSun 06:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User, just a coincidence? Maybe, but maybe not when you look at the User Talk Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 06:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You set a message to this IP address telling us to stop vandalizing pages. edit

This is the IP address to a high school in Wyoming. You may as well ban it or whatever. No use telling stupid kids to stop.

Deletion edit

If you see a page I edited then that means I tagged the prod to the pages that has no notable quotes. Please do not revert my edits because the pages I tagged with a prod does not contain any notable quotes. I am only telling the truth because there are a number of pages that are a mess and since you tend to vote delete especially on my Starscream page I to decided to prod articles that has no notable quotes.(Jackerson 04:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Vengeance prods are not valid uses of the deletion process, and have therefore been rolled back. Further disruption will result in an indefinite block. EVula // talk // // 04:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well you admins get to prod articles and why only the admins get to prod articles and not regular users? Maybe you are the ones that need to get banned because your acts of not letting us prod articles is unfair.(Jackerson 04:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Thanks Dude;

For putting the "cant draw blood" quote to its proper place in sequence.. I could not believe that this quote was not already here! I mean it is the most important quote in the whole play that covers a very important concept of the law of Torts and other esoteric bits of the Common Law. If you ever sue someone you learn this concept real fast.--Oracleofottawa 04:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bond Series edit

Thank you for doing the copyright trimmings and could you do Casino Royale as well? But I do just have one small request (if you do do it) could you please not delete the M quote that has "utter one more syllable...etc" in it The C of E 20:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've trimmed Casino Royale (2006 film) to 12 quotes and have placed a copyright advisory tag on the talk page. - InvisibleSun 23:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

anon cat-placer edit

It seems this user,, would not stop. As if the Jerry Bruckheimer list was not enough, he added more cats of various studios, directors, and producers. While some are good, most are nothing but redlinks. Can we ban him? --Eaglestorm 06:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for Information and/or Assistance edit

InvisibleSun - Hello. I have some questions / things I could use some help/advice/a clue on. I'm looking for a knowlegeable person who has the time / is willing to provide some assistance. Thanks up front for any help / advice you can give me. Below is a brief description of something that I'm seeking help on ...

I recently made some edits to the Thomas Fuller (physician) page, including setting up a separate section for External Links. After this change, a box shows up on the lower right stating that Wikipedia has an article for this person : however, if you click on the link, you get a page stating that the article does not exist. Actually, there is a page for him on Wikipedia, but it is titled Thomas Fuller (writer). I believe this page should be renamed, but I am unsure how to go about accomplishing this. There are actually seven (7) Thomas Fullers on Wikipedia, including two architects, two politicians, and one ex-slave, plus the physician and an earlier English writer ( who also has a Wikiquote page ). I have quite a few more additions that I will soon be ready to make to the Thomas Fuller (physician) page, and I feel confident that I know what I'm doing in that area ; however, I thought I should try to address this page rename issue now, while it is fresh in my mind.

I see from your User Page at Wikipedia that you occasionally do some editing work over there. I also note that you are someone who is knowlegeable about French, and about French writers : an area where I have had some questions in the past. I hope you have the time to help me out with a few things. Regards, CononOfSamos (talk) 04:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As it happens, Kalki has already made the necessary page move. Sorry for my slowness in getting back to you. - InvisibleSun 01:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

InvisibleSun - yes, I'm aware of Kalki's change. I left him the following note on his Talk page.

Kalki - thank you for responding to my inquiry about the Thomas Fuller pages. While your change improves the situation, as it results in a consistent naming scheme, I am not sure that it is the best solution. I have written an explanation of why I am of this opinion, but since it is quite lengthy, I saved it on my Talk page. Please go there and read it if / when you have some time to do so, and respond. Again, thank you. CononOfSamos (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please visit my Talk page yourself and read my explanation ( and comment ) if you have the time. I also have some other questions that I'd like to run by you at some point in the future, involving some quotations in French ... CononOfSamos (talk) 02:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

InvisibleSun: I have a question that involves a couple of short quotes in French. They are :

  • Fient de chien, & marc d'argent,
    Seront tout un au jour du jugement


  • Le sage entend à demi mot .

They come from the annual editions of Poor Richard's Almanack for, respectively, 1742 and 1743. Can you tell me what they would translate to in English ? Thanks - CononOfSamos (talk) 05:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would translate them as:

Dog's droppings and a silver coin
Will be as one on Judgment Day.


The wise man hears the half-said word.

- InvisibleSun 06:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

InvisibleSun: Thank you for your response. CononOfSamos (talk) 06:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mehmet ildan edit

Though it is very confusing, the last name of Mehmet ildan begins with a character of Turkish script which only looks like an English small "i". ~ Thursday 04:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

QOTD for 13 December edit

I didn't make an edit in time on the eleventh to post the QOTD page for today : could you paste the material at Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/December 13, 2009 into the project page. Sorry for the inconvenience; I am presently working ahead for the rest of the month to prevent such tardiness on my part again. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 05:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This has now been done. - InvisibleSun 05:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Recent vandalism... again... edit

This appears to be another apparent sockpuppet of the slew of vandalism connected to the user name... User:MuchoSemen13. The same person keeps creating incessant vandalism, following around contributions and either reverting them at random or just plain vandalizing with different user names. I've found another recent sockpuppet vandalizing the same articles. Please check Black Frieza. All the same exact edits as the person pointed above, all the same places, same reverting vandalism. Please look at how the same person is reverting all the same material using different usernames, causing vandalism on the same places. Please look after these specific articles for me and if necessary, protect them from recently joined users in order to avoid vandalism; please help me maintain and sustain resourceful articles while avoiding vandalism from this same person. - Zarbon 01:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And now there's yet another slew of obvious sockpuppets for the same user... User:Meester Seester and TheClownPrinceofCrime. Please help me stop this vandalism, it's really getting out of hand again. - Zarbon 05:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do you delete a page edit

How did you delete that page

Unblock/unlock request edit

I am copying all five (5) Wikiquote bureaucrats, to see if some attention might be drawn to this request for an unblock (and un"lock", via renaming the account, then naming it back). Jimmy Wales, in the opinion of many, acted out of concert with community consensus and practice when he issued a "global ban" on User:Thekohser. Would you or another bureaucrat be kind enough to assist? -- Thekohser (using 17:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Wikiquote interlanguage communication edit

Hi, I'm Nemo from the Italian language Wikiquote and I'm writing you (via a bot) because you're an administrator of Wikiquote in this language; please excuse me if you've received this message more than once.
The simple thing that I want you to know is that Wikiquote has an official mailing list, Wikiquote-l, which can be used to communicate and discuss matters which interest all Wikiquotes. This mailing list was last "advertised" about three or four years ago, before many of us joined Wikiquote, and is currently almost not participated at all by Wikiquote users and very low-traffic. I ask you to subscribe, to participate in discussions and to write about your Wikiquote.
I love Wikiquote, as you probably do, and I think that we should be proud of what we do here, share our experiences and good practices to make Wikiquote better and raise awareness of it.
I remind you that Meta-Wiki is the best place for Wikimedia projects coordination, and it contains several pages about Wikiquote, and specifically this talk page which can be used to discuss about Wikiquote if you don't like mailing lists.
I hope that this message has been useful for you. Cheers, Nemo (write me) 10:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bureaucrat requested to close one-month-old RFA edit

Normal time frame for RFAs is one week — and this one was already extended once almost a month ago. This RFA is over one month old. It began on 17 April 2011. Current count is: 3 Support / 7 Oppose / 2 Neutral. Respectfully request that this RFA be closed, and an assessment of the consensus given as to whether or not to promote the candidate. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time to close Request for Checkuser after over one month? edit

Regarding Wikiquote:Requests for checkuser/BD2412 (posting notice to all bureaucrats except for the candidate in question):

  1. Most Requests for Adminship run for one week.
  2. Most Requests for Bureaucrat run for two weeks.
  3. Wikiquote:Requests for checkuser/BD2412 = has been open for over one month, diff.
  4. The Request for Checkuser Wikiquote:Requests for checkuser/BD2412 has failed to meet Wikimedia Checkuser Policy requirements. It does not have at least 25-30 support. It does not have 70%-80% consensus to promote.
  5. Can the request be closed at this time as unsuccessful?

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL edit

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 13:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time for closure edit

Been over one week.

RFA presently at 66.7 percent.

Plus additional Comments.

Time for closure?

-- Cirt (talk) 11:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An important message about renaming users edit

Dear InvisibleSun,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Inactivity discussion edit

I've started a discussion to remove your Bureaucrat and Admin flags, unfortunately, due to inactivity.

Discussion at: Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/InvisibleSun (inactivity discussion).

-- Cirt (talk) 03:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The removal of rights was requested and actioned with [3]. Thanks for your service, InvisibleSun. --Abd (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome — good to hear from you! edit

It is good to hear from you. It is good to hear you eventually might return to a more active role here, and I actually wish you would reconsider retaining and maintaining adminship, even if you perhaps checked in briefly once a month. I still use many of the suggestions you provided for quote of the day, as I did for this day's (though I had actually been slightly more inclined to use something from Groundhog Day, a quote you suggested in 2007of James Joyce had higher rankings, and made a good "Irish pairing" for the first two days of the month). Even if you continue to have little concern for retaining adminship, you are always welcome to add your input into the QOTD suggestion pages, whenever you can. May good luck and great graces be with you, whatever paths of action you choose. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 06:44, 2 February 2015 (UTC) + tweakReply[reply]

Merge your accounts edit

Hi. Before you disappear, would you mind merging your accounts. See the option in Special:Preferences. The community will be enforcing universal names this year, and your user account is currently unattached, and I am sure that you would not wish to control the username xwiki. Thanks. sDrewth 10:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block edit

Block 2600:1700:52A0:3EF0:BC85:53C2:9B17:9FCB please; reason nonsense. ——Blessings, Josephina (talk) 11:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]