User talk:Kalki/2020

Latest comment: 3 years ago by DawgDeputy in topic ClownDeputy is back...

This is an archive of past discussions on my user talk page for 2020.

Top heading changes


For several years I had let a few notes initially intended as temporary ones stand at the head of my talk page, and that heading eventually read:



I have MUCH to do in coming days and nights — and I do NOT expect to have much time to spend here for at least another month, and perhaps several beyond that. On most days I do expect to be able to spare perhaps an hour or so here on QOTD activities — but it is not likely I will be able to very often spend much more than that for at least a month. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 18:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC) + substantial revision — MANY things are keeping me increasingly busy — and many unanticipated problems demand attention within the next month. ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 19:14, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

I have only VERY briefly checked in today to update the QOTD — and must be leaving again soon. I do not expect to have the time to engage in many discussions for at least the next few days, as I have many matters to attend to locally, and am not likely to spend even as much time on the internet as I recently have, which is far less than normal. I will probably attend to a few matters to the extent I can, in what brief periods I might find some free time to check in here, within the next week, but do not expect to have much more than a few minutes at a time to spend here on most days, though I might be able to spend perhaps an hour or so within the next day or so. So it goes Blessings. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 23:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

I had meant to do significant work here yesterday, but unexpectedly ended up traveling about more in my local region of New England than I had initially intended, doing only a last minute iPhone edit on a QOTD while still on the road, and finally did a full layout for this just a few minutes ago, from home — but now I must be leaving again, for at least a few hours. I don’t have time to examine much more at this time, will be leaving in a few minutes. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 13:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

I was finishing up what I was thinking would be my last tasks of the day before heading home, and got a call, and will now be busy at least a few more hours. Managed to make it home in time to post QOTD, but am expecting someone to be picking me up within a few minutes. So it goes Blessings. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 22:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

I might do some final commenting and archiving of material on this page soon, within the next few days, but don’t have much time to attend to it right now. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 13:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

I finally altered that heading on 2020·02·24 to what might serve as the top-most message on the page for quite some time to come:

I usually have only a sporadic presence here on most days


Though I once regularly spent many hours of most days at least monitoring this site, I now quite often spend less than an hour a day doing so, at various random periods within most days. There may be a few periods this year where I will have the opportunity for extensive activities here for days at a time, but I am not actually counting on that occurring very often. I shall continue to usually check in at least daily, but Time shall reveal what opportunities times can provide. So it goes Blessings. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 22:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

ALL abides always and all abide ALWAYS amidst ALL.

Please range block


The turkish IP LTA has returned, please block this range and yank talk page access. Praxidicae (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

We've got a hypocritical vandal on our hands.

edit (talkcontribsglobal editspage movesblock userblock log)

It accuses me of ruining what it thought was updating the Toy Story page (when it was clearly vandalizing), which had been protected for a year before for good reason. But all of its edits were nothing but blatant vandalism and violation of copyright. I request this user be blocked for no less than a year (then again, its antagonistic behavior should be grounds for indefinite blocking) and all articles it vandalized, including all Toy Story articles, be protected for no less than the same period of time. DawgDeputy (talk) 03:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
Blocking it for one week is not going to stop it. One year should. DawgDeputy (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
The anon IP twerps who vandalize wikis typically do not used a fixed IP, and thus blocking an IP for even a day is usually sufficient, though sometimes several week-long blocks of IPs might be done on persistent vandals using changing IPs. I generally block the IPs of the more obviously obnoxious twerps a week, though sometimes more, if I believe it might be in any way effective. Where IP ranges are repeatedly used they are often blocked for months or a year. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 03:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
This one never changed IPs. Do observe its history of contributions, dating back to March of 2017. DawgDeputy (talk) 03:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
I have now blocked this IP for 3 months, and will note longer options and "range blocks" of longer duration might be used if further associated vandalism occurs. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 03:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hello Kalki, on the page purpose, Rupert Loup removed a lot of your edits, as can be seen here. Could you please put them back? I cannot since the page is locked. Thank you for your time. --2001:8003:4085:8100:CC0D:2862:2E0B:1820 04:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Other activities have kept me extremely busy in the last few days, and I do not anticipate having the time to address these contentions adequately for at least another day or two — I will probably address them along with at least a few others within the next week or so, but can anticipate being delayed even in that time frame. So it goes Blessings. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 02:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello Kalki, last month I asked if you could check out purpose, since Rupert has (for no valid reason) removed quotes you put back on it. Just wondering if you've been able to look into it? --2001:8003:4085:8100:3161:911A:953C:8F41 11:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

I kept your note intact, after removing most others, and thus moved it to the top of this talk page, at that point genuinely believing I might get around to it shortly, and now put this one directly below it. I believe the entire talk page below exhibits at least a small portion of the many reasons I have not had time to deal with that situation as yet. MANY physical world projects and tasks are currently far more urgent and important for me to address than these computer tasks, and in regard to those, the contentions below have recently been consuming much of my available time here. I intend to eventually examine many situations and pages of this wiki more thoroughly as soon as possible, but I honestly CANNOT provide any definite answer as to when that will be, and it might be many weeks yet. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 00:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I quote Rupert Loup: "Roll back since no explanation in the talk page has been given in how these are closely related". That reason is more than valid enough. Otherwise, Kalki would have done something about it immediately instead of leaving the page be for six months. DawgDeputy (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Meanwhile, this same IP has constantly been removing categories from War crimes without explanation. DawgDeputy (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I genuinely have no eagerness to get caught up in many of the contentions that have gone on in recent months, and am not extensively familiar with most of them, but I had intended to attempt to do what I can, and I don’t actually believe that after substantial work examining a page, comparing past and present states, and editing it carefully, that a simplistic rollback of them all "since no explanation in the talk page has been given in how these are closely related" entirely suffices as justification of that, but I am well aware many current disputes are often zealous contentions between competing POV presentations more than anything else. I simply have not examined most of them closely enough to know the details thoroughly or sufficiently and certainly have not had time to get extensively involved in scrutinizing them, criticizing them, accepting them or praising them. I believe my previous edits were made towards a more acceptable and generally balanced state of presentations, and though I might perceive a somewhat inconsiderate insult at the sudden revert, I do not take any great offense at it. I simply then and now have had little drive toward becoming enmired in the time-consuming sorting of such complex matters out. That is STILL the case, and even more so now, when several others have suddenly arisen. I hope to have some time to deal with yours within perhaps a week or two, but even after that I still might have too many tasks to devote much time to examining and becoming extremely attentive to what seems to me to often be edit wars between various contending factions of POV-pushing or petty pedantries on various pages. I can sympathize with many diverse advocates of many diverse issues, and like anyone, some more than others, but I do not want our pages to continue to decay towards becoming extremely imbalanced partisan POV placards without tolerance for broad diversities of views, and I have never been greatly interested in arguing over the tedium of many categories and disputes about them. In the current state of affairs, I am quite exhausted, and have many other tasks to attend to yet, and am inclined to believe it might be at least a few weeks before I even begin to have enough time to extensively engage further in some of the significant issues emerging here. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 00:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

• NOTICE on formatting


For the convenience of readers and editors of this page, I have begun using "collapsable" options upon large sections below. I have also added some minor formatting tweaks of indents in many of the discussions with JessRek6 presented below — in the original postings she very often did not use them, easily making many of her comments seem contiguous to the one above them to casual scanners of the discussions. I wished to make all the actual changes of participants more visually apparent in the renderings on this page. I expect no major interest in examining them from most people, but I have also added a few "commented out" explications at a few points in these discussions (visible only in the editing panes after " <!-- " markings), to emphasize some significant divergences between the actual facts of matters and some of her more extreme assertions and allegations. Bullet points and dates have also been added to the headings of those sections involving contentions with JessRek6 for easier identification and clearer representation of the time spans involved. Double bullet points indicate discussions copied from other pages. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 16:03, 9 March 2020 (UTC) + tweaksReply

• February 17 2020 Quote of the Day process question (20 February 2020)


•• Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard discussions (24 February 2020)


•• Template talk:QOTD Ranking discussions (25 February 2020)


•• Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day discussions (26 February 2020)


• Request strike-through of personal attacks (28 February 2020)


• Role of rationale in consensus (29 February 2020)


•• Request for admonition at Admin noticeboard (2 March 2020)



Hi, I saw you blocked this IP address for 1 week. I think you should block it indefinitely because when It’s block-free, it’ll continue. Thanks.(Josephine W. Talk10:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC))Reply

User accounts which have been used only for spam or vandalism are usually blocked indefinitely very swiftly, but unless there is a clear history of repeated periods of vandalism, we usually avoid long blocks on IP addresses, as many vandals change these frequently. Usually a day is more than sufficient on most IP addresses, and I seldom block them more than a week or a month, save where they have a long history of abuses, and then I might block them 6 months or even a year. There are sometimes "range blocks" of many IP addresses made for long periods, but I rarely have made these, save when there has clearly been a definite range of IPs involved in a spate of vandalism. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 10:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks :) I don’t have any experience as an admin anyway. (Josephine W. Talk10:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC))Reply

• Please strike through comments involving Nazism (3 March 2020)


•• Accusation of "Incivility from an administrator" at Admin noticeboard (5 March 2020)


Responses to hoaxes and trolling

Remarks on hoaxing and trolling by crosswiki-vandal Nsmutte, who started hoax edits in the guise of Yarddose (talk · contributions) and another newly created account at the Admin noticeboard. When I began to post notices indicating a slight familiarity with this particular pattern vandal, he began comments here which I have "commented out" from displaying, as contemptible pretensions, which the curious can examine in the edit pane if they wish. I have also copied the comments from the Admin noticeboard here for a continuity and conclusion of presentation.

I am personally inclined to block you here as quite obviously hoaxing and maliciously trolling from an account blocked at Wikipedia as a sockpuppet of a banned user there, but currently, not familiar with many of the situation's details will leave it to others perhaps more familiar with the situation to do so, if need be. I could definitely change my mind if the hoaxing and malicious trolling continues. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 06:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

In responses to your commented out hoaxing here, and hoax assertions elsewhere: I am familiar enough with your pissant pretensions, hoaxing and trolling to have contempt for them. I do not intend to accommodate them with any pretentions of credulousness in regard to your misleading assertions. Further attempts at hoaxing and trolling may result in a permanent block. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 07:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yarddose has now been blocked for one day, awaiting comments or actions by other admins, stewards, or other officials regarding a permanent block. ~ ♌︎Kalki·⚓︎ 07:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Prior and subsequent activities at Admin noticeboard:

Are you an administrator on Wikiquote?


I notice you have a presence on here. Are you an admin? I need to tell you something. --Technoquat Quotation (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I have done an permanent block on Technoquat Quotation (talk · contributions) as a trolling and vandalism only account of a long term abuser of wiki accounts. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 21:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC) + tweakReply

Noam Chomsky quote


Hi Kalki. I am hoping to add a quote to the Noam Chomsky page. However, I am unsure of where the quote first originated. I have outlined the problem on the relevant discussion page (seen here Talk:Noam Chomsky#Hope, freedom and change quote) and was wondering if you could please help at all? Many thanks in advance. --Helper201 (talk) 00:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I do not know the source of that quote, or when Chomsky first expressed such sentiments, but it reminds me of the much earlier assertion of H. G. Wells in Outline of History (1920):
"Our poverty, our restraints, our infections and indigestions, our quarrels and misunderstandings, are all things controllable and removable by concerted human action, but we know as little how life would feel without them as some poor dirty ill-treated, fierce-souled creature born and bred amidst the cruel and dingy surroundings of a European back street can know what it is to bathe every day, always to be clad beautifully, to climb mountains for pleasure, to fly, to meet none but agreeable, well-mannered people, to conduct researches or make delightful things. Yet a time when all such good things will be for all men may be coming more nearly than we think. Each one who believes that brings the good time nearer; each heart that fails delays it."
I believe that Wells also used a very similar expression in at least one other work, but I am not sure of that at this point, and it is likely that Chomsky has also expressed his similar ideas in more than one form, in various writings and interviews. About the best that can be done is to do google searches for specific portions of such expressions, in hopes of encountering such variants. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 01:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Reply



Since you're probably the best Wikiquote editor with over 140,000 edits, maintain QOTD daily and are a countless help to the community, I can't see why you're not a bureaucrat on Wikiquote already. Are you considering on doing an RFB sometime soon?

(also, today's QOTD broke a bit, pls fix!) dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 10:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

I was once a bureaucrat and during that time I believe that there was a generally good development and increase in active admins here, but various confusions and contentions led me to desire to resign that post, and amidst some controversies to state the intention of doing that, quite displeased at many developments of improper assumptions and erroneous accusations which arose. Caught up in a very unfortunate clash of perceptions and wills I always recognized and conceded that some of my of my own actions could seem or be problematic to the perceptions and wills of others, but certainly never accepted the deficient assumptions or erroneous assertions that I myself ever did anything unethical or in any way intended to do anything improper, though amidst tens of thousands of edits, I actually had done a couple accidental edits which could seem such, and still, somewhat understandably amidst the initial confusions, failed to retain my adminship. Far less understandably, it took what I considered a ridiculously long and troublesome time after the subsidence of many erroneous assumptions and assertions for my adminship to be restored. In the time I was not an admin, despite continued activities and services here as the most active participant, I had to regularly suffer for many years the very increased abuses and sometimes very intense harassment of some of the most vile, despicable and contemptible vandals, trolls, and corrupted and corruptive individuals that I have encountered on this wiki. Even after it was restored, I have not had the time to resume many of the levels of attention and activity I once had here, and despite nearly daily activity of around an hour or so, I have done far less than I used to, even as an admin, and usually have far less time to do much that I wish to do here. I am still very glad and satisfied to merely be an admin here, and to serve this project as best I can, with the time I still have available, but I have no desire or intentions of ever being a bureaucrat again.
As to today's QOTD presentation, though in recent months I have usually used only one image, and usually have had neither time nor inclination to use more, I have occasionally used two, and for many years I regularly put images to both sides of the QOTD, and considered that usually better visually balanced than just one, at least on desktop computers. I have now looked at the current page in various browsers on both my desktop computer and an iPhone, and see nothing exceptionally imbalanced in any of these, though the mobile options are almost always more problematic and imbalanced in ANY situation. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 11:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC) + tweaksReply

Assistance requested


It concerns one Pratap Pandit (talkcontribsglobal editspage movesblock userblock log)

It constantly harasses users such as Rupert loup, დამოკიდებულება, and myself, and refuses to admit defeat.
Plus, it has a history of sockpuppetry on Wikipedia. We cannot take any chances that it may take its frustration out on Wikiquote.
And in this edit, it claims დამოკიდებულება has a "weird name", and it demanded დამოკიდებულება add an English name in his signature, just because it claimed it would be "easier to communicate". I request action be taken against this user immediately.
Plus, it falsely accuses me and Rupert loup of harassment and edit warring (which it started while we tried to stop), but it has provided no sufficient evidence. DawgDeputy (talk) 02:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Linter concerns...


Hi, Not urgent but I will note that a fair propotion of the remaining Linter identifed concerns on

Relate to content you contributed in good faith.

Much appreciated if you could examine the pages listed there with a view to "tidying" up the formatting so that it's more compatible with the much stricter HTML/wikitest parsing rules now applied on Mediwiki platforms. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Friendly notice recommadation


Id like to say and ask that i made a mistake but you dont have to be so cruel on me and say i make false information and id just did not what to do it my first time editing a page and why are you treating me so..... Angie williamz (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Simple question YES or NO

You said what you said and i understand that but why be so cruel and harsh on me would you give me guidance on wikiquote or not please Angie williamz (talk) 12:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Your first edit was an alteration of a quotation to diverge from its published version; your edit summary, which I deleted from normal view because of dubious or inappropriate information within it read in part: "I improved it and makes it have i even talk to her and she said i can edit so nobody must review it and if you have a problem contact me…"
I commented on that edit summary with my remark: Adding FALSE information is NOT "improvement."
This was hardly a cruel action, but simply an indication of facts of the matter, and I was giving you the benefit of a doubt that you had not deliberately intended to make a wrongful edit. Altering quotations is normally regarded as vandalism, and those who deliberately engage in that in defiance of policies for the integrity of the project usually very soon get blocked. These are just a few remarks on the matter, as I proceed to attend to other matters elsewhere. So it goes Blessings. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 01:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)Reply



How can I help here??? AtlasJunkie (talk) 00:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)Reply



The category Nazis is OK, but why do we have the category People from Nazi Germany? All Germans between 1933 - 1945 were people from Nazi Germany.--Vilho-Veli (talk) 18:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I recognized that category was rather absurd when I mentioned it (as perhaps it's existence as a rationale for having removed the one which I restored to the article). I actually might not have noticed it before — but I tend to believe that many of the categories are rather presumptive or needless, and really have spent little time in developing them beyond very basic designations years ago, and I tend to apply only some of the most basic of them to articles myself, and rarely contend about those others chose to apply or develop out of varying motivations. I simply happened to notice your edit, and could not see any valid rationale for removing the designation of "Nazi" from Joseph Goebbels. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 21:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi kalki


If your not busy could you help me out with where I can find sourced quotes? I asked UDScott and left a message on village pump. I'm still confused. Do I need to watch tv or movies then write down quotes? Or search over the internet? Thank you. FcoonerBCA (talk) 00:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Whatever quotes one finds to be noteworthy should simply be provided with a citation to verifiable source, such as a specific published work, film, video, television show, or song lyric, and preferably be widely found by others to be noteworthy. The advice provided by UDScott as to contributing quotes or pages to the project is sound: "probably the best place to start for someone new to the project is here. It is important to keep in mind that if a valid and verifiable source is not provided for a quote, it is likely to be removed and/or the page deleted." ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 00:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hello Kalki! The conversation about linking to Wikiquote has led to the situation that about 100 links are reverted. Is this legal and good to the project?--Vilho-Veli (talk) 00:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

I am not currently familiar with either the conversation or the situation you mention. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 23:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
En-wikipedia's Village pump.--Minä muka (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the info. I have now noted various aspects and assumptions of the conversation at "Using Wikiquote as a back door for POV pushing", but I am still assessing many aspects of developed and developing situations, and potential responses to them. I do not currently have the time to adequately examine all the currently available information, but will very likely make at least a few remarks on things within a day or two. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 00:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC) + tweakReply
Note that Vilho-Veli account and other socks were globally locked mere minutes after opening this section, and the Minä muka account was then created to post the reply here. Alsee (talk) 10:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

You made a mistake


Those edits made on Madea Goes To Jail and Madea's Family Reunion were not vandalism, nonsense or gibberish. They were already poorly formatted, and all they were doing was just fixing it. 14:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

I happened to check in just moments before you began reverting some of my reversions, and noted some of your activity as rather standard trolling, and blocked you, and responded to your notice at the "Vandalism in progress" page with a summary of actions made:
New report 2020-12-10, 1616

They harrassed 2603:6080:a608:500:c4a7:879:c426:975b for being constructive. 16:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

The anon IP I initially blocked (2603:6080:A608:500:C4A7:879:C426:975B (talk · contributions) exhibited some standard trolling and vandal behavior, with their very first edit summary stating: "This is an edit you cannot and will not revert!" The content of the pages were moved to titles not matching the corresponding Wikipedia pages, and I restored them to the standard matching titles. I just happened to check in again just moments after the IP became active, and noted the remarks on my talk page, but other apparent trolling activity, including the remarks here prompted me to block that IP. I did restore some of the very slight formatting improvements to one of the pages, made by the previous IP prior to one of the page moves, but rejected the non-standard coloration of text and non-standard page moves. I was only very briefly checking in, and will not be able to stick around long. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 16:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC) + tweaksReply

That is about all I have to say on the matter. ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 16:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

ClownDeputy is back...


...and it is out for revenge in the form of...

Diasmanozy (talkcontribsglobal editspage movesblock userblock log)

All of this user's garbage/nonsense edits (which include illegal caricatures that do not belong on Wikimedia!) have to be hidden and it must be blocked for good. DawgDeputy (talk) 12:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

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