Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/022

QOTDs for 7 & 8 January 2013Edit

The whole country is full of enterprise. Our common schools are diffusing intelligence among the people and our industry is fast accumulating the comforts and luxuries of life. ... It is not strange, however much it may be regretted, that such an exuberance of enterprise should cause some individuals to mistake change for progress and the invasion of the rights of others for national prowess and glory.
~ Millard Fillmore ~

There is a certain indolence in us, a wish not to be disturbed, which tempts us to think that when things are quiet, all is well. Subconsciously, we tend to give the preference to "social peace," though it be only apparent, because our lives and possessions seem then secure. Actually, human beings acquiesce too easily in evil conditions; they rebel far too little and too seldom. There is nothing noble about acquiescence in a cramped life or mere submission to superior force.
~ A. J. Muste ~

These quotes at Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/January 7, 2013 & Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/January 8, 2013 will have to be placed on the project pages Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 7, 2013 & Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 8, 2013 rather than the talk pages by an admin. ~ Kalki·· 18:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done ~ UDScott (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

CU request for HomerHornEdit

Please consider investigating this spambot and sharing the results with the stewards. I think this one might be related to SallyIMHV at the English Wikiversity, for which I'll request a CU as well (here). Kind regards, Mathonius (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

All the accounts mentioned here are now locked. If anyone's interested, see m:User:Mathonius/Reports/Ntsamr for more information. Mathonius (talk) 04:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Archive editing queryEdit

I think when I was an admin here I would have reverted this without a second thought however I am not now so I'll leave it to the community. The archive in question and edit history is here. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 13:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

One does not need to be an administrator to undo inappropriate edits. It is always inappropriate to carry on a discussion in an archive page like this; but I usually turn a blind eye if it looks harmless – not from principle, but from laziness. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Collingwood's sysop flagEdit

Hello, recently Collingwood's account was globally locked as a sockpuppet of ‎Poetlister by stewards (see this checkuser request). Since Poetlister is banned from all WMF projects, and Collingwood is now locked, his sysop flags should be removed. Techman224 (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

And of course, local bureaucrats can't remove the sysop flag. I'll ask a steward at Meta. (also: holy shit, that is really disappointing) EVula // talk // // 21:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 Y Done at m:Steward requests/Permissions#Collingwood@enwikiquote. I also removed his admin userbox. EVula // talk // // 21:25, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I CAN'T log in, because I am blocked, maybeEdit

This may be entirely the wrong place for this, but I am really at a loss about who to contact about this. The fact that I can't log in reduces my access to some options.

In any case, I have used the Wiki's for a long time, like most people. As time went on, and I started noticing more and more minor yet annoying, small errors in some articles, I decided to join to make corrections, and possibly sometime to create an article in a subject of my specialty. My attempts were thwarted right after joining Wikipedia. Attempts to make a global identity were blocked by information about sock puppets, some person named "Kalki", and "multiple counts of abuse".

The username I have almost always used was "Abraxas". Never before the recent couple months have I ever joined any Wiki sites. Never once have I yet edited anything in any Wiki's. And because I use and respect these sites, never have I ever "abused" anything related to this site.

So, are there 2 Abraxases? Am I punished for the sins of the other?

I have no idea who to contact, so if this is the wrong place, I am hoping that one of you may be able to direct me further into the opaque sanctum so that I can resolve this without myself having to open multiple accounts which is already getting confusing with just the few I have joined, being told in each that my previous name was already used, but not allowing log-in with that name anyway.

Can this username be rehabilitated? As with colonic bacteria, the best way to get rid of a bad guy is not just to eliminate him, but to fill his place with a good guy so he can't come back.

Thank you. Contact: almondan(at) —The preceding manually signed comment was added by (talk) 06:36, 6 February 2013‎

Hello. I'm not an admin, just for the record, but you are right that the account "Abraxas" was blocked (indefinitely), in May 2011, after accusations of sockpuppetry (so account creation was disabled). As for your request, you may want to check the guide to making unblock requests.
Good luck. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 07:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
The the currently blocked Abraxas (talk · contributions) account here at Wikiquote IS mine, and I had SUL claim on it, but from what I can determine with the SUL account tools available there are still MANY other UNATTACHED Abraxas accounts on other wikimedia wikis, which are NOT mine, but all of them with less use than that I made of the account before it was blocked by Cirt some years ago, in what I continue to assert was the rampage of IMPROPER account blocking and page defacement based upon many FALSE ASSUMPTIONS and accusations of misuse or abuse of my accounts. I have not yet bothered to respond to all that has occurred with the thoroughness such circumstances merit, but I expect to make some revelations in coming months which I hope will clarify MANY of the issues, from some of my perspectives, and perhaps put an end to much of the confusion that I know still exists related to past occurences and present situations. ~ Kalki·· 10:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
  • You should be able to create an account and log in if you choose another name. When the "SUL" query indicates that a name has already been used, it is generally best to just pick a different one.

    The formal "sanctum" for your request is at Wikiquote:Changing username/Usurpation, but the SUL query indicates that none of the other "Abraxas" accounts, some of which may have been yours, have been used extensively or recently, so it is probably best to just start fresh with a new name. You can rename your old "Abraxas" accounts to a new name that nobody has already taken, at the appropriate sanctum of each local wiki. I appreciate that the situation is annoying, but "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

    It is unfortunate that the above mentioned Kalki person reserved so many names to him/herself before being stopped, but we are now stuck with the adverse consequences of this arrogant misappropriation. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

There are many ways to view the fortunes and misfortunes of past and present events. I will concede my appropriation of names was extensive, and quite naturally and properly would and should produce suspicions of extensively improper or even malicious behavior to those who lack clear understandings of what I was actually doing and many of the reasons why, but I will politely insist that I beleive it was NOT an act of deplorable arrogance, though I can concede also that it can easily seem that to others, within this range of time and circumstances, within which we are presently operating. Time will eventually tell where those who have made the most unfortunate errors lie, and who was most adamantly motivated to promote awareness, appreciation and profound respect for proper and sometimes vitally important freedoms, justice, liberty, life and love of ALL. I continue to wish others well, and will probably begin attending to some significant aspects of the VERY complex issues raised here more noticably and extensively within a few weeks. ~ Kalki·· 15:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
  • From the OP

Thanks to all who responded. This is a lot more complex than I had thought. It still doesn't explain why I can't use the same name for different Wikis, but it may somehow be involved. To note: the account names I tried to use that said they were used, but would not let me log in due to incorrect passwords, nor open an account in that name (though one already existed in Pedia), was not "Abraxas", so should not have been subject to any unusual restrictions that I know of. It looks like a "bug" to me.

Only one "Abraxas" was used by me (that I know of - I can't claim perfect, years-long recall) in Wikipedia. That name was used by me on over 5000 other internet accounts that exist in my LastPass list, and probably more, but not on any other Wikis here.

Thanks and have a good day. 21:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikiquote: Limits on quotationsEdit

Anyone care to comment on the discussion at the Village pump? Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Block request for

Please block this IP address and nuke its vandalism. Thanks, Mathonius (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done ~ UDScott (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


Hereby I want to file a complain against User:Whaledad for making the unfounded accusation against me by stating "Mdd's articles violating copyright rules by indiscriminatingly copy large chunks of text to do so (he actually quoted other encyclopedias in his wikiquote articles." [1]

After asking for clarification on his talk page, Whaledad was unable to deliver proof or even an example (present in the Internet Wayback), and he is unwilling to take back the accusation.

I think these kind of accusations go beyond the realm of criticism, and should be considered a personal attack. I request appropriate action to be taken. -- Mdd (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

It seems Wikipedia:No personal attacks is quite clear here: Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki. counts as PA. -- Mdd (talk) 22:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • It's unclear what - short of a law suit - Mdd would consider proof/evidence for my statement. This situation was extensively discussed at the nl.wikiquote Village Pump ("de Kantine"). After that discussion about 84 articles written by Mdd were submitted to Vote for Deletion based on copyright violations (VfD page from that time frame use <Ctrl-F copyvio> to find the relevant nominations), and were deleted as such by a local Admin. With that I rest my case. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 22:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • OK, I feel I need to "reopen the case" and add a link to a somewhat similar case on Commons, where an Admin (Jameslwoodward) among other things had the following to say: "In this particular case -- as with all the other Mdd images that I have looked at that Whaledad has nominated -- unless we receive credible permission through OTRS, the DR should close with the deletion of the image. I note that until Whaledad came along and fixed it, Mdd was claiming copyright in File:Geert van de Camp.jpg, which is a simple crop of an image provided by another user. As similar correction was required at <follow links to 6 image>. I have tagged the following uploads of Mdd with {{delete}}: <follow list of 8 images, 6 of them now red links>. Some of them appear to be FOP problems, while others are claims of "Own Work" that do not appear to be correct. There are many other images which are web size with no EXIF which I suspect, but cannot prove, are problems.
So, we have here a user, Mdd, who has, through inexperience and lack knowledge, or perhaps, deliberately:
  • Uploaded a wide variety of images that have been deleted as copyvio
  • Has marked other people's work as "Own Work" a number of times
  • Has failed to properly attribute the photographer on images where he has made a simple crop
  • Has not paid attention to the underlying copyright of various artists in places where FOP does not apply
  • Has come here complaining of Wikihounding, when the work done by Whaledad appears to have been entirely correct, although his description of Mdd's errors may have been a little too harsh
Under the circumstances, I would advise Mdd to withdraw this complaint before a similar complaint is made against him. Bringing people who are simply doing their job to ANb is a nuisance for all of us."
After some more back and forth (in which Mdd even had the audacity to ask a Dutch Admin to take over his part of the discussion), Mdd conceded and withdrew his (false) accusation of Wikihounding. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 23:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I would like to briefly comment here. I have certainly witnessed or endured some attitudes and remarks I regard as severely mistaken or even slanderous in regard to many things in my life, and have on some occasions passionately defended others or myself in such ways as I have believed to be proper, and I am not unfamiliar with the bitter sorrows and anger that can be manifest in both intellectual and emotional conflicts which can occur in openly and overt or very subtle and covert ways.
Though I certainly sympathize and agree with him in many regards, I actually disagree with Mdd that there is any need for admin action here, and though I might be prone to side with him in respect to so much as I can discern regarding his previous disputes and reactions to them, I do not recommend demanding any apologies of others, who have generraly done what they actually believed to be right, even if it might be wrong from the perspectives of others, and certainly do not advise seeking for any needless punishments or censures of anyone, nor to expect any beyond those that might ultimately come to some, as true necessities of remorse, with recognition of their own errors. I truly hope the matters in dispute can be more amiably discerned in the future, and a greater respect for all and among all can flourish. Blessings to all. ~ Kalki·· 01:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the quotation from WP:NPA, in idiomatic English the phrase "personal behavior" refers to the manner of conducting oneself, such as rudeness, disruption, dishonesty, etc. The allegation about copyright, whether it is true or not, is an objective statement about a person's actions, not a criticism of personal behavior. Therefore, I do not believe this request for administrative intervention against personal attacks is well grounded.

In order to suggest how this could have been handled better, I will comment to Mdd about a couple statements in the discussion at Whaledad's talk page that led up to filing this complaint:

  • "I think I am within my rights to demand you to prove here and now the accusation you made here today."[2]
    — More properly, in making your case to the community at Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/Mdd, you are within your rights to say you believe the accusation is unfounded and not supported by evidence. Your demand is counterproductive: you don't want Whaledad to successfully prove it, you want the community to decide he has not proved it.
  • "you can't deliver that proof because there isn't any. Therefor I ask you take it back, to rectifier and apologize."[3]
    — You can simply make your case to the community that there isn't any proof, and let the community decide. Whether Whaledad changes his mind, and what he does about it, is up to him.
I think it was a mistake to confront Whaledad about this on his talk page. Instead of telling him on his talk page to prove it or take it back, it would be better to simply tell us in the community discussion that you think we should ignore it because it is unproven. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so be it. I thank you both for sharing your insides, which does open some new perspectives I do appreciate. I admit in the heat of moment I might not used the proper tone both on the talk page, and in formulating this request. -- Mdd (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

For the record, I followed Ningauble's advice and added a footnote in the RfA discussion, here -- Mdd (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Official policyEdit

Just wondering if someone could update Template:Official policy. It contains two </br> tags that should be updated to <br /> tags since </br> is not a valid html tag. Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, if someone could move Template:WQ BW21 to User:Blackwatch21/WQ BW21 without leaving a redirect, that would be good as well. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikiquote: Limits on quotationsEdit

Once again, I have asked for further discussion on this topic at the VP. Can anyone else please join the discussion? I would so love to move this further along, as it appears that we are increasingly facing edit wars and related skirmishes all related to this topic. Thanks! ~ UDScott (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

BarkingFish and sockpuppetsEdit

  1. Tmalmjursson (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)
  2. Cat in the Hat (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)
  3. Humblesnore (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)

Per w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BarkingFish/Archive, these have all been   Confirmed as longtime socks of BarkingFish (talk · contributions).

What do other admins think should be done about this, with regards to the main account? -- Cirt (talk) 00:14, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but in my opinion this user's main account should not be blocked here because he never made any disruptive edits at Wikiquote. For me it's as simple as that. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the input, -- Cirt (talk) 01:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
This person is evidently troubled, but I don't see what it has to do with Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the comment, -- Cirt (talk) 21:41, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be an agreement, that this sockpuppetry doesn't effect Wikiquote, yet after Cirt's latest comment a Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of BarkingFish was created. This kind of overhead seems against this agreement, so I started a VFD for this category.
This also makes me wonder, why those three sub-(puppet)-accounts are blocked? None of them have made any edit here, and there is no global block. Blocking these accounts and adding a note made them active here, which seems useless. Couldn't we avoid this next time? -- Mdd (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, they're certainly all technically   Confirmed as sockpuppets, however in this case I'll respectfully defer to the judgment expressed by the community, (which is, by the way, the reason I brought this notice, here, for discussion.) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 06:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there something I am missing here? If I am not mistaken:
  • The English Wikipedia policy on Sockpuppetry is, that sockpuppetry is strongly discouraged but not forbidden. The use of sockpuppets is no reason for any blockade, just the misuse, and
  • Wikipedia and Wikiquote operated independently. Users cannot be blocked on Wikiquote for things they have done on Wikipedia, and vice versa, unless there misuse on multiple projects and reason for global blockade.
Yet, Cirt has blocked three accounts, which were not even active here. There was no sockpuppetry use, let alone misuse here on Wikiquote. Just BarkingFish made only one (very) constructive edit here.
So is there an (exceptional) rule that (sockpuppet)accounts once "technically confirmed as sockpuppets on Wikipedia" automatically get blocked on other projects? -- Mdd (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Generally, yes, there are exceptions, for example, when they are part of non-acknowledged sockfarms being built up surreptitiously over time. -- Cirt (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
"Citation needed" ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
" I've proxied into wikipedia through holes you'll never find, I've committed very tiny pieces of vandalism over a period of quite a long time, most of it before the Abuse filter was active on here, so a lot of it was missed, and had more than 20 throwaway accounts from multiple ISPs. I think i've covered everything. Smell ya later." - BarkingFish. -- Cirt (talk) 17:56, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Please cite the policy that allows you to block accounts on projects independent of Wikipedia, where said accounts have not engaged in vandalism or any sort of malicious behavior (in this case, the accounts you blocked had zero edits here). You, Cirt, are in an awkward position if you can't cite such a policy. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
No, there is no official policy that Wikiquote should block accounts here that are blocked elsewhere (nor that Wikiquote should de-sysop accounts here that are de-sysoped elsewhere). However, "It is recommended that users not edit under multiple usernames, unless they have a very good reason", and it is not uncommon to block duplicate accounts as a preventative measure when the very good reason is not evident or, especially, when evidence on another wiki is suggestive of a bad reason. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
He that would live in peace and at ease, Must not speak all he knows, nor judge all he sees.
~ Benjamin Franklin ~

I do not wish to personally confront what might be some of the oversights or under-sightedness of Cirt on many matters, and am willing to be forgiving of the errors of anyone, and to pardon them from even what might pass for just punishments if malice and will to do harm are rejected and abandoned.

I know that others who seek to level and constrain the language and ideas of others in ways I find appalling do not always approve of my honest commentaries or bold assessments regarding many things, but I will make a few here, which I believe can be generally helpful and beneficial.

Extremely nihilistic or opinionated vandals of very low intellectual or moral integrity and those who seek to establish or maintain what might be described as authoritarian control or habits, customs or rules developed or devised with strong infusions of such dark cynicism and cleverness as all too often passes for wisdom among the intellectually weak and naïve and the immorally or morally oppressed, have this much in common: they seek to promote fears, suspicions, discord and drive others into forms of panic and cowardice and the embracing of a frightened and easily manipulated will to suppress and oppress all those who differ with them, dissent from them, or are effective at presenting ideas and opinions they dislike or have no affinity for, and consider rivals, opponents or enemies. Throughout history, at all levels of clearly or obscurely social, unsocial and antisocial engagement amidst all formal and informal alliances or groups of people, there have been MANY complex forms of influences at work, which MANY like to find ways to simplify in very deficient and flawed ways into an "US vs THEM" mentality and framework.

Throughout the ages the wisest and most healthy of minds of all political, religious and social traditions have always resisted and opposed such tendencies to the extent they believed they effectively could, knowing always that there are limitations upon themselves, their times and resources, and those of others far less discerning and far more prone to being dupes to those who regularly engage in such tropes with maliciously or callously deceitful intentions.

I have little doubt, from what little I have payed attention to this particular matter, that Barking Fish is a pathetically disturbed individual — and I have little doubt that increasing the fame and fear of such pathetically disturbed individuals serves many of their interests and desires as much as it does those who are most habitually prone to promoting such fame and fears for what they might perhaps believe to be the "good" of everyone. There are pathetically disturbed people in the world, ALWAYS, and to the extent they cannot be easily helped, or refuse help, and even seek to vilify and denigrate others most capable of providing help, and yet do not actively engage in unjust forms of destruction or oppression of others, they should generally be left to gradually develop or stagnate and pass away, as their own inclinations impel them, or only occasionally and gently offered such help as they might accept. Some might consider me harsh and cold in making such assessments, but I believe that this is preferable to being either soft-minded or hotly passionate about doing such injurious or dangerous things as need not actually be done against anyone, to the service of greater forms or aspects of the good of Humanity, its proper rights everywhere and anywhere and the Liberty to assert and indicate these.

When I was an admin here, I was very swiftly reactive to clear vandalism, and squelched it rather rapidly, and was widely recognized as being extraordinarily effective at that, and battling it across MANY wikis, which led to me being "active" on many — but though there were many incidents of suspicious or distressing behavior that were not clear vandalism, I did not go about seeking people or puppet accounts of people to vent my wrath or frustrations upon others in childish and even infantile ways, which might EASILY be misdirected and applied in ERROR. I simply remained alert and confident that IF and WHEN many very clear abuses occurred they could rapidly be dealt with by myself and others.

A problem far more endemic and pervasive and dangerous to the health of many projects which I saw developing was the rather obscured or even approved abuse of many forms of privilege to suppress dissent or divergence from such will as some wished to declare "OFFICIAL" and implicitly sacred or sound, and I made some rather pointed statements to that effect, just prior to having the resources and wills of a few others directed in many ways against what long-standing good reputation as a conscientious and admirable worker as I believe I had earned by my actions, up to that point. Others later sought to use such apparent disgrace or disfavor as had developed here, to snowball that into a "generally negative" impression of me and my intentions wherever they could among the WIkimedia projects, in rather appalling ways, which I will decline to elaborate upon, at this point, as I have no intentions of belaboring many past errors and mistaken assumptions beyond such points as I believe necessary for the development of more aware and appreciative and healthy attitudes towards those who DO and MUST differ with oneself, for various reasons.

I wish to again assert that I have no personal animosity to those who fall into errors of various kinds, but I generally DO seek ways to help others out of errors — and know that others can be helpful to me, in rising out of whatever forms of error or ignorance I might seem to be in, and am usually quite grateful for what help others can and do provide me, even if sometimes unwittingly.

Those are just a few of my thoughts on this matter, and I congratulate others for recently showing and demonstrating capacities for far more reserved and circumspect reactions to circumstances than many are inclined to encourage or even acknowledge as either necessary or proper. It is evidence of a growing conscientiousness that there ALWAYS are aspects of things which are beyond one's direct observation, and though many actual or potential aspects of these CANNOT or should not ever rule one's own reactions, prior to being KNOWN, to maintain a healthy skepticism to ANY claims is ALWAYS an important procedure in maintaining healthy forms of Awareness, Life, and Love, and developing truly fair and genuinely cohesive societies, alliances and presentational projects such as this WIki. Blessings to all. ~ Kalki·· 19:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

I agree with this above comment by admin Ningauble. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 02:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Two things keep bothering me. First so far I have seen no indication, that this Wikipedia sockpuppetry has affected Wikiquote in the past or could possibly affect Wikiquote in the future. There seem to be no reason for preventative measure. And second, we don't automatically block all confirmed Wikipedia sockpuppets. Why would we make exceptions? It seems to me the only reason to make exceptions is, if there are indications that it might negatively affect Wikiquote.
Just as here proposed, I like to propose to stop importing Wikipedia sockpuppet investigations and results here, when there is no indication that it might negatively affect Wikiquote. -- Mdd (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Best to keep it on a case-by-case basis, seeking out input from other admins and the community. In cases of obvious vandals and cross-wiki-spammers, blocks on sight for accounts on all wikis are routine. -- Cirt (talk) 15:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Martha WashingtonEdit

There was once a Martha Washington page on the wiki, deleted because of lack of source quotes, which I would like restored so that I can work on it as a base, sourcing whatever I can of what there was upon it — and adding whatever I can beyond that, in the next week or so. ~ Kalki·· 03:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done, now at User:Kalki/Martha Washington. -- Cirt (talk) 03:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ Kalki·· 03:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
You're most welcome, Kalki (talk · contributions), have a great day! :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

“You will never be able to escape from your heart. So it's better to listen to what it has to say.”Edit

Can someone delete “You will never be able to escape from your heart. So it's better to listen to what it has to say.”, it's nonsense/vandalism?King jakob c 2 (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done. Next time please just tag the articles with {{Delete}} or {{Db}} ("delete because"). Then they get automatically listed in this Category:Candidates for speedy deletion and will be deleted afterwards. -- Mdd (talk) 12:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Spambot or other vandalism on Woodrow Wilson talk pageEdit

Since the 13th of April the talk page of Woodrow Wilson has been repeatedly vandalized by what might be some persistent vandal or defective spambot of some kind, and should probably be given at least some short-term protection from anonymous edits. ~ Kalki·· 05:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done Cheers! BD2412 T 02:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

George WashingtonEdit

George Washington is attracting a lot of vandalism from IPs. Can someone semi-protect it? Thanks, King jakob c 2 (talk) 22:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

  •  Y Done Cheers! BD2412 T 23:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Personal attack by DanielTomEdit

DanielTom: "I think you are in serious need of psychiatric help. Please seek it. ~ DanielTom".

In response to my request for the user to cease posting to my talkpage, he gave a personal attack.

I would appreciate it if an admin can please warn DanielTom (talk · contributions) that this is inappropriate behavior.

Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

While I do not wish to wade into the specifics of what the two of you are arguing about, my initial reaction to his request is that you would be wise to grow a thicker skin. Sure, you may be offended by the language DanielTom used, but I hardly find it to be behavior requiring intervention in the form of any punitive action against him. I've been subject to plenty of denigrative attacks throughout my years here - it's not entirely unexpected when there are disagreements. I also note that this is at least the second time that you have been involved in an exercise of escalating rhetoric with another user, causing what should have been a fairly minor issue at the beginning to metamorphose into something much larger. Again, yes it would be nice if we all addressed each other in the most civil manner, but that's not always realistic in an online community such as this. As a more visible member of said community in the role of an admin, I would expect you to let a bit more slide and not be so reactive to attacks. My advice: let it go (see similar advice from BD2412: [4], where he advised you "to stay calm and remain above the fray."). ~ UDScott (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Let's say I know someone who I think is (for example) considering suicide. What Cirt is saying is that, basically, if I tell that person to contact a mental health professional immediately, that would be a "personal attack". But it isn't. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
My point is that whether or not he feels it is a personal attack is something subjective that neither I nor anyone else can decide. But surely it does not rise to the level where some action against you as the author of the comment is needed. I am saying that I believe that both sides of this dispute are overreacting a bit and I would advise both to dial it down a bit. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, UDScott. In any case, Cirt already got what he wanted: he put this giant and bogus title "Personal attack by DanielTom" not just here, but in every admin's Talk page. As if admins needed to be reminded to read the Administrators' noticeboard. Jesus Christ. I genuinely think Cirt needs mental help, all the more now. If that is a "personal attack", block me and get it over with. This is absolutely ridiculous. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
  • ...seriously? This is what you consider a personal attack? EVula // talk // // 18:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Reply by Cirt: Understood, EVula (talk · contributions) and UDScott (talk · contributions). Thank you for your comments. No further action required. I'll take the suggested input by these two admins under advisement. I appreciate it. -- Cirt (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
      • Cirt, you truly are an embarrassment. You harass people. You are the the most petty, childish and vindictive person I have ever come across on Wikiquote. I have less than zero respect for you. I hope that's clear enough. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
P.S. A sensible admin should now block me. I propose a one-week block. Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Mary Tyler MooreEdit

There was once a Mary Tyler Moore page on the wiki, which was deleted among the various overwhelming number of deletions of prods that have been created for the relatively few active editors here. I would like that restored so that I can work on it as a base within the next week or so, sourcing what quotes I can, and adding some, perhaps. ~ Kalki·· 22:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

 Y Done good luck. Mdd (talk) 22:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

subtle vandalEdit

I recently have reverted two edits where an ostensibly plausible citation was given for an implausible statement by an anon IP. Just now it was the Einstein page where it seems a citation of another actual quote was copied to make the addition seem plausible. In the previous case (though I do not immediately recall on which page I encountered it) the citation itself was a bit more implausible, but rather subtly so to anyone just giving it a casual glance, and in both cases I actually did an internet search to confirm my suspicions, before reverting the additions. I am just noting this as a heads-up on the situation, because this might indicate the currently active presence of a subtly malicious vandal at work, and as I do not monitor things anywhere near as much as I once did, there might be other incidents I failed to catch. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 04:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

DivesGreatestMan and sockpuppetsEdit

  1. SonPhanGreat (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)
  2. WickyLicky (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)
  3. Sonphan1 (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log checkuser)

I like to ask attention for this user:

  • DivesGreatestMan‎ created a userpage today here on Wikiquote, claiming he is born September 13, 2003
  • On April 27 April 2013‎ he created the User:SonPhanGreat page on Wikicommons with the same info, see
  • On 14:49, 27 April 2013 the User:SonPhanGreat is being blocked on Wikipedia after being idetified as sockpop of user:WickyLicky
  • The userpage User:SonPhanGreat made 23:41, 24 April 2013 with the same info as User:DivesGreatestMan‎ here, is made invisible on Wikipedia
  • The sock puppeteer User:WickyLicky made his first edit 21:21, 1 November 2012

Now what drew my attention in the first place was the day of birth. It seems like a very bad idea that we allow children on Wikiquote to mention there full name, and day of birth. This is why I deleted the user page this afternoon. In the meantime a new userpage with the same info is created, and an userpage with a cryptic remark.

This made me start further investigation with the above mentioned. Now it seems he has shifted his attention from Wikipedia to Wikiquote after being his block on Wikipedia. Now I would like to request feedback on how to further respond here? -- Mdd (talk) 22:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

In the meantime I blocked him (for one month) after he started vandalizing multiple (new) pages, and afterwards also blocked his talk-page for making threads. -- Mdd (talk) 22:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Because of this pattern of cross Wiki vandalism, I would propose to block this user, and his known sockpuppets indefinitely, and have the text of his use page removed. -- Mdd (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in, but is there any reason to believe that this date of birth is correct? He could be trolling.--Abramsky (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
I simply don't know. I do know he added (almost) the same info on Wikipedia, on Wikicommons and here on Wikiquote. And this info is suppressed on the English Wikipedia, but I also do not know why (yet). I do think we should not allow this kind of info on userpages, true or false. -- Mdd (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the user and talk pages due to impersonating an administrator. I would have used an indefinite block for this vandalism only account, rather than one month, because harassment & impersonation is a special aggravating circumstance that merits swift and final expulsion. Regarding self-identified children generally, it would be appropriate to remove any personally identifying information. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 Y Done Thanks Ningauble, I have changed the block to indefinite. -- Mdd (talk) 10:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


I could be mistaken, but I don't see the anom user making any constructive edits. Edits like today [5], [6] could be deleted as test-edits, but this anom user is going on for quite some time, making similar edits. Should there be some more structural action here? Mdd (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have sent the user a warning. As Runningonbrains remarked in the Wikipedia block log, whether this is a WP:TROLL or a WP:COMPETENCE problem, either way it's disruptive. I would not hesitate to block if the behavior continues. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)