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Can someone translate the foreign languages in this page into English? --Yacht 17:09, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Biblical quoteEdit

I have removed the Biblical quote. Firstly, it was altered from the actual text (I took out my own Bible to compare) in such a way as to make it more clearly applicable to the topic. Although it it true that the quote in question, from Corinthians, is often used by fundamentalist Christians as "proof" that homosexuality is "against God," it is argued by most that it does not specify homosexuals, but instead all acts of sodomy; ergo it does not belong here.

Personal comments belong on User Pages or Talk PagesEdit

"Now I'm Straight Man... But I Have No Problem With Gay Men! Infact wish there were more gay men! I wish that 98% of the men in the world were gay! The More Gay Men means the chances of me having sex with a different woman every night would be huge!!!!!" [ with slight editing for spelling] seems to be a personal comment by a user, and though it may be humorous it does not belong in the article space. The only personal comments that are justifiable within the article space are short notes of explanation or introduction beneath quotes and headers, and these should definitely be as NPOV as possible. ~ Prot 23:53, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sigmund FreudEdit

   * A man's heterosexuality will not put up with any homosexuality, and vice versa.
         o Analysis Terminable and Interminable
   * Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness.
         o Letter to an American mother's plea to cure her son's homosexuality, 1935

Massive cleanupEdit

This article is in severe need of cleanup:

  • Its formatting is completely haphazard. Just about every style known in the English language is used somewhere, and very little of it follows Wikiquote standards.
  • Its subtopics are only partially filled out, with the vast majority of quotes still lumped together in what was termed "Not Yet Classified". (I've put them into Sourced/Attributed general sections ahead of the subtopics, per wiki standards.)
  • It attributes quotes to many people without providing any hint of who they are. (Bob Smith, for goodness sake!)
  • It has tons of links (often redundant) that go nowhere. On the other hand, many names and titles have no links.
  • It made no distinction between sourced and unsourced quotes (until my recent effort).
  • There is no order to any of the quotes, except by coincidence. Many quotes from a single source are strewn throughout the relevant section.

I've just spent an hour doing some basic restructuring, so we can at least distinguish between quotes with actual sources (i.e., dated or uniquely titled works) and those that are merely attributed. This is absolutely critical, because one of Wikiquote's primary purposes is to provide accurate quotes, which cannot be done without specific sources. ("Quoted in (magazine), circa (year)" is not specific enough. Book or paper titles are considered adequate, but chapters, or page numbers (including an edition or ISBN to disambiguate them) are greatly appreciated.) For sourced quotes, we need to examine the sources. Experience has shown that quotes are frequently mistranscribed, and the effort can also provide more specific source information.

I've also done reformatting based on Wikiquote and Wikipedia style guidelines, but we still have a lot of work to do. Judging by the edit history, this is a popular article, so I'm hoping that contributing editors will help complete this cleanup work. Thank you in advance for your assistance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

A modest proposalEdit

Why not delete the entire Unsourced section? For a topic that is considered controversial by many, I see no reason to tolerate unsourced quotes at all, much less mass quantities of them. I shed no tears for those who make such attributions without bothering to say where they got them. ~ Ningauble 14:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why this topic's supposed controversiality should affect anything. Also whether you'd shed tears for anyone has no consequence. If there are significant quotes relevant to the topic of Homosexuality, it is our duty to include them and to research and cite their sources. However, I do agree that this page is a mess, many quotes are too obscure to have significance, and many quotes simply allude to homosexuality without citing the topic directly. Anyone with an unprejudiced, objective approach to editing is welcome to put forth any much-needed improvements they see fit. As with other pages, it might be a good idea to cut unsourced quotes and paste them on this discussion page until they may be properly sourced. --TBliss 04:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Homosexuality and Transsexuality.Edit

I don't think quotes related entirely to transsexuality should be included, as this is not homosexuality.


Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to Homosexuality.

  • For death, or life, or toil,
To thee myself I join;
I take thy hand in mine,
With thee I would grow old.
  • From an ancient Chinese male-male wedding ceremony
  • Cruise the Straits with BC Ferries
    • BC Ferries advertising slogan, 1980s
    • New York Post headline, c. 1968

Real peopleEdit

  • Vaginas always scared me. I came out of one and I'm sure as shit not going back into one.
  • I played at clubs in Washington, D.C. to these wonderful gay men. They taught me how to become a woman.
  • Of course we let lesbians and gays march in our St. Patrick's Day
Parade. What would Ireland be without its fairies?"
  • Thank God, now we can sodomize again!
    • Anonymous Florentine official, during riots against the influence of the monk Savonarola
  • I'm not saying that the religious right is wrong for condemning homosexuals and terrorizing them for thousands of years. I'm just saying...FUUUUCK YOU.
  • Yes, I am Dick Armey. And if there is a 'dick army,' Barney Frank would want to join up.
  • not believe there can be tears between men. They think we are only playing at a game and that we do it to shock them.
  • Love him and let him love you. Do you think anything else under heaven really matters?
  • Being gay is a spectacular irrelevance to getting on with your life.
  • Wouldn't it be great if you could only get AIDS by giving money to television preachers?
  • I don't think we're born self-hating. It's how we respond to bullies. And if any place in the world grows tough bullies, it's this country. They're our chief export. George Bush cut his bully teeth on people like me.
  • According to the Gospels, Jesus did not devote any serious time or effort denouncing either abortion or homosexuality though he did devote serious time and effort denouncing the rich along with self-righteous religious hypocrites. Maybe today's Religious Right could learn a few things about prioritizing from Jesus?
    • E.T.B.
  • Alexander the Great? Another gay in the military.
    • E.T.B.
  • Yes, the Bible does teach that homosexuality is a sin. You can't debate that, but according to the scriptures, every person has the right to make 'sinful' decisions. Once you mandate morality, you lose free will which is the foundation of Christianity.
    • John Calvin Byrd III
  • [Male Heckler] Are you a lesbian?! [Cameron] Are you my alternative?
    • Rhona Cameron
  • I discovered my own gayness, I realized it would make me an outsider in society. I began to identify with other groups of outsiders, people who had no control over their own lives. I identified with women in their struggles against oppression, with the working class in their struggles against exploitation and with the Third World in their struggles against imperialism and poverty.
    • Bob Cant
  • As everyone knows, a fag is a homosexual gentleman who has just left the room.
  • The Religious Right dislikes both abortions and homosexuality. But who has fewer abortions than gays?
  • It's always Leviticus. "Thou shalt not lie with man as with woman." Well, I don't.
    • Maggie Cassella
  • Why be nice to ignorant hicks? My advice to all of you gay boys that live in a horrible town is: be a BITCH and you'll never be afraid of walking down the hall. Be strong. Never let stupid people make you ashamed of who you are!
    • Chad, quoted in XY Magazine
  • Okay, conservatives have changed my mind. Allowing gay marriage, I have been persuaded, will destroy the family, weaken Western civilization, turn America into Sodom and Gomorrah, increase the trade deficit with Japan, endanger the family farm and promote tooth decay. The impeccable logic of conservative opponents is simply too powerful to deny.
    • Stephen Chapman
  • He did Carol Channing better than I did.
  • Saturday night I at last was taken into the arms of love again! Seldom have I had such affection offered me. An athlete - very strong - 20 only - dark-haired - distantly Bohemian. I hope it will last a while - I deserve a little kindness and he was so kind!
  • John Paulk, the poster boy for the ex-gays... was found in a gay bar in Washington. He said he was there to use the bathroom. But nobody thought to ask him for what.
  • When asked, "Shall I tell my mother I'm gay?", I reply, "Never tell your mother anything."
  • A lifetime of disco music is a high price to pay for one's sexuality.
  • If you're going to be gay, you might as well be fabulous. It's a birthright.
    • Frank deCaro
  • Did you read Holly Near's book? Let me save you the trouble. This is the most exciting sentence in the book: 'I feel like a lesbian when I'm making love to a woman.' Good, Holly! Well, the major difference between me and Holly Near is that I feel like a lesbian when I am BREATHING!
  • He looked me right in the face and said, 'You fucking bulldyke!' And I thought to myself, 'Oooh, what a smart man! Why, I'll bet he took one look at me and knew I was white, too!'
  • I'm at West Virginia University to do a show, right, and they've done all this fucking publicity about it... So when I get to my show, who's waiting for me but five hundred Christian protestors with great big signs. 'Lea DeLaria is going to hell.' Not generic 'gay is not good;' 'Lea DeLaria is going to hell.' Which is what I need five hundred strangers to tell me, like twelve years of Catholic fucking school wasn't enough, right?!
  • My mother said to me, 'Why do you have to call yourself a dyke? Why can't you be a nice lesbian?' 'Because I'm not a nice lesbian, I'm a big dyke!'
  • They are preserving the sanctity of marriage, so that two gay men who've been together for twenty-five years can't get married, but a guy can still get drunk in Vegas and marry a hooker at the Elvis chapel! The sanctity of marriage is saved!
  • What do you mean, you 'don't believe in homosexuality?' It's not like the Easter Bunny; your belief isn't necessary.
  • In any marginalized community, whether people identify themselves or not affects us all.
  • Somedays the line I walk turns out to be straight; other days the line tends to deviate.
  • It's you straights who have all the special rights. You straights have the special right to marry. You straights have the special right to be in the military, go out on a date with the person you love, talk about it the next day, and not get kicked out for it. You straights have the special right not to be prevented from visiting your loved one in the hospital.... To say that gays and lesbians are asking for special rights is the height of lunacy.
    • Elijah Elders
  • I knew I was gay when I came out of my mothers womb. I looked back and thought 'I'm never going up one of those again'.
  • If we're going to be killing people for their lifestyle, you or I may end up being dead tomorrow.
    • Ron Gaither, uncle of fatal gay-bashing victim Billy Jack Gaither
  • Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich white guys who wanted it their way. So when I see the American flag, I go, 'Oh my God, you're insulting me.' That you can have a gay parade on Christopher Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering, 'We're here, we're queer!' -- that's what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride.
  • Anyone who thinks that love needs to be cured has not experienced enough of it in their own lives.
    • Joan Garry
  • Years and years I have fear'd the shame
And the cruel speech of the world.
But over our heads in the darkness now
Is the banner of love unfurl'd,
(Lean closer, cling to me, kiss my lips,
Our love can despise the world.)
  • Gabriel Gillet
  • Love knows no gender.
    • Hugh Goldring
  • The more [gay people] are portrayed on screen as understandable human beings, the more threatening they seem off-screen. ...No one - whether supportive about gay rights or not - should confuse the fantasy tolerance of television with a culture in which gays are treated as equal citizens.
    • Richard Goldstein
  • Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love.
    • Butch Hancock
  • One wedding cake designer I called said, 'We specialize in elaborate beautiful white flowers all over the cake.' So I said, 'I should tell you, this is for two men.' There was a slight pause and she said, 'I can put little baseball players all over it?'
    • Mark Harris
  • If AIDS is God's punishment for sex, why is a little piece of rubber so effective in avoiding it?
    • Rev. Jim Huber
  • This redneck came up to me and said, "What do you want me to call you? Queer? Fag? Homo?"
I said, "You can call me... Paul Jacek."
  • Paul Jacek
  • Men and women, women and men. It will never work.
  • My mother tells people, 'My daughter... is a comedian... and a lesbian. Both... at the same time.'
    • Elvira Kurt
  • Okay, yes, there is a homosexual agenda, okay? There's just two things on it:
1) don't get killed;
2) a decent brunch. That's it!
  • Elvira Kurt
  • If you remove all the homosexuals and homosexual influences from what is generally regarded as American culture, you are pretty much left with Let's Make a Deal.
  • There is probably no heterosexual alive who is not preoccupied with his latent homosexuality.
  • Doy gracias a Dios por ser gay.
    • Translation: "I give thanks to God that I'm gay."
    • Fr. José Mantero
  • I wrote [a National Coming Out Day card] for myself... Mine would go,
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm a lesbian,
And so is Aunt Phyllis.
  • Someday, I want to go to this town in Michigan called Dyke. Every year, all the women on their way to the Michigan Womyn's Festival make a pilgrimage to Dyke to have their picture taken at the Dyke city-limits sign... Apparently, the citizens of Dyke don't appreciate this yearly pilgrimage... If they don't want us to visit, just change the name of the town. Change it to "Uptight Straight White Guy" - we'll stay away.
  • I was performing at a comedy club and when I said I'm a lesbian, a guy in the audience yelled out, "Can I watch?" I said, "Watch me what? Fix my car?"
  • It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of homosexuality. It's like disapproving of rain.
    • Francis Maude
  • I love Christians who tell me something sweet and Christian, like, 'You're going to hell!' It's not hard for me to picture gay hell. 'The scorching wind from the fiery pit messed up my hair, there's no mousse? No blow-dryer? This is hell! There's nothing on TV but Hee Haw. My furniture is from Levitz! I'm living in a trailer park! Aaaah!'
    • Danny McWilliams
  • Wherever it has been established that it is shameful to be involved with sexual relationships with men, that is due to evil on the part of the rulers, and to cowardice on the part of the governed.
  • [On whether ex-gays are really straight] Just because you sleep in a garage doesn't make you a car.
    • Gary Rimar
  • I read that a big earthen dyke crumbled in Utah. Don't laugh. I knew her.
    • Karen Ripley
  • I thank God for creating gay men. Because if it wasn't for them, us fat women would have no one to dance with.
  • I do not impersonate females! How many women do you know who wear seven inch heels, four foot wigs, and skintight dresses?
  • I spent my whole childhood going, "Oh my God... All right, fine. I may be attracted to women, but I can't be a lesbian. I like Laura Ashley polished cottons! And I throw like a girl! And I cry for no apparent reason all the time! Oh my God, I'm a gay man!"
    • Vickie Shaw
  • The church says we should get down on our knees and repent! Well, excuse me, but didn't being on my knees cause most of my sins?
  • Gays started with the Renaissance. It was probably two gay guys at a party saying, 'Wouldn't it be fun to make religious paintings of hot naked guys, and sell them to churches? Oh, that would be a hoot!'
  • I came out to my family on Thanksgiving. I said, mom, please pass the gravy to a homosexual. She passed it to my father. A terrible scene ensued.
  • I came out to my sister, and she said, 'Oh my god, you're gay! Are you seeing a psychologist?' I answered, 'No, I'm seeing a schoolteacher.'
  • I was raised Roman Catholic, and according to the Catholic Church it's okay to be homosexual, as long as you don't practice homosexuality. Which is interesting, because I think it's okay to be Catholic, so long as you don't practice Catholicism.
  • My mom blames California for me being a lesbian. 'Everything was fine until you moved out there...' That's right, Mom; we have mandatory lesbianism and the Gay Patrol busted me, and I was given seven days to add a significant amount of flannel to my wardrobe...
    • Coley Sohn
  • You know, they say that marriage is reserved for only a man and a woman... I of all people know that simply does not work.
  • [Pinky] said that I was a fairy, a weak person, and maybe didn't even deserve to live. OK, I'm not sure, but I think this means that me and Pinky, we're not best friends anymore.
    • Trevor
  • The pope runs all over the world condemning homosexuality, dressed in high drag. Now I ask you!
  • If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to work. 'Hello, can't work today. Still queer.'
  • If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to work. "Hello. Can't work today, still queer."
  • In high school, while your children were doing what kids that ages should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity. You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse.
    • Sharon Underwood
  • I am comfortable with being gay. I'm just not comfortable with people knowing.
    • Unknown
  • If AIDS is a divine punishment does that make lesbians God's chosen people?
    • Unknown
  • The gay rights movement is not a party. It is not a lifestyle. It is not a hair style. It is not a fad or a fringe or a sickness. It is not about sin or salvation. The gay rights movement is an integral part of the American promise of freedom.
  • Dear Abby: [upset because a gay couple has just moved in across the street.]
How can we improve the quality of the neighbourhood?
You could move.
  • Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said that homosexuality "is a lifestyle I don't agree with." This is a trope you hear from the religious right a good deal... but it is a very odd thing to say. No one speaking rationally says, "I don't agree with the Pacific Ocean" or "I don't agree with the Grand Canyon."
  • I said some things about homosexuals, particularly in the 60s when reporting about the popularity of discotheques, that I regret having said. Times are changing and we are learning that it is not a sickness, and frankly I never thought that it was. I said what was said to me as fact at that time. It's not a fact. It was damned stupid. We're all learning.
  • "How did you first know you were gay? What did you feel?" "Apparently, another girl."
    • Suzanne Westenhoefer
  • I didn't choose to be gay; I was chosen! Are you serious? I get to be queer? Oh, thank you. I didn't even fill out the application, I am so thrilled. No, I did. I bought the ticket, I scratched it off... Look, I'm a lesbian! I won!
    • Suzanne Westenhoefer
  • If they don't want us in the military, then I say that straight men can't be florists and straight women can't be UPS drivers.
  • It is for the teenagers who can be hours away from slitting their wrists that I am out.
    • Courtney Wilson


  • I feel sorry for Homophobic people in the U.S.A. because they all hide every time they look in the mirror.
    • Alex Carter
    • Ben Mol


  • Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.
  • Don't use the word "gay" unless it's an acronym for "Got Aids Yet?"
  • AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.
  • AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
  • Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches.
  • The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian.
  • If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it.
  • Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!
  • You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!
  • American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!
  • Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death.
  • [Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.
  • If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [Gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything!
  • Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it.
  • I want to coin a phrase here, and I don't mind help. What would be the communication version of "ethnic cleansing?" Because that's what in particular the homosexual activists try to do.
  • AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out.
  • Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. – Unless there is life there can be no murder.


  • He drew a circle that shut me out
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win.
We drew a circle that took him in.
  • Edwin Markham
  • Every friend loves, but not all men
Who love are friends. You'll find this true,
Then, whomsoever you may love,
Be his friend too.
  • Marcus Valerius Martialis (Martial)
  • A double brightness burned me: rays
There were which travelled in the gaze
Of that boy's eyes, the beams of Love;
And others from the Sun above.
  • And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
  • Sweet boy, gentle boy,
Don't be ashamed, you are mine forever:
The same rebellious fire is in both of us,
We are living one life.
I am not afraid of mockery:
Between us, the two have become one,
We are precisely like a double nut
Under a single shell.
  • When she left, she wept
a great deal; she said to me, "This parting must be
endured, Sappho. I go unwillingly."
I said, "Go, and be happy
but remember (you know
well) whom you leave shackled by love."



  • [Advising his daughter on how to discourage a boy who likes her] "Six simple words: 'I'm not gay, but I'll learn'."
    • Homer Simpson
  • I like my beers cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals flaming.
    • Homer Simpson
  • Time to get Homer-erotic!
    • Homer Simpson
  • Of course! No one would marry the Earl of Doncaster! Except perhaps the Duke of Beauford.
  • I'm the only gay in the village.
  • [to Dr. Laura] Get off the gay man's back and leave some room for me!
    • Queer Duck
  • Hetrosexuality doesn't really exist, folk are only straight by default!
    • Unknown
  • Any one that insults a homosexual or bisexual, is only hiding their own fear... that their so called "Friends" will hate them for it!
    • UnKnown


  • [Ross browses ex-wife Carol and her partner Susan's apartment.]
Ross: Wow, you guys sure have a lot of books about bein' a lesbian.
Susan: Well, you know, you have to take a course. Otherwise, they don't let you do it.
  • Jovi: You're fired, sacked, canned, you're getting the boot, your show is cancelled.
Cyanne: You can't fire me, you're not my boss dyke!
Jovi: My friend is, and you can't use people like you use drugs. Now go get help and shake all those demons out of your head. When you're better, then I'm willing to meet you half way, but until then get out. And dykes are for the Dutch, I'm a Lessssssbian, get it straight. (to Marisa) Can I have a double Espresso?
  • Metropia; played by Zainab Musa, Kristin Fairlie, and Tracy Michailidis in order of mention
  • Jack: For your information, most people who meet me do not know that I am gay.
Will: Jack, blind and deaf people know you're gay. Dead people know you're gay.
Jack: Grace, when you first met me, did you know I was gay?
Grace: My dog knew.


Homosexuality is a vice. Category:Vices needed. --Sonia Sevilla (talk) 19:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I would completely disagree. The definition of a vice on Wikipedia is as follows: Vice is a practice, behavior, or habit generally considered immoral, sinful, depraved, or degrading in the associated society. In more minor usage, vice can refer to a fault, a negative character trait, a defect, an infirmity, or a bad or unhealthy habit (such as an addiction to smoking). I fail to see how this applies to homosexuality or bisexuality in any way - and in fact believe the application of such a label is offensive and prejudiced). ~ UDScott (talk) 19:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with UDScottallixpeeke (talk) 21:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
We are not in the Middle Ages. Homosexuality is "immoral, sinful, depraved, or degrading in the associated society". My view based on the Holy Bible and Qur'an. No one in whole the world can poroud on this shameful topic. Human nature based on one Male and one Female. "Family" in the whole the world means "A Mother,A Father and Sibling".--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 07:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Are you sure you're not living in the Middle Ages? ~ DanielTom (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Are you sure you're not living on the Earth with a "Family"? --Sonia Sevilla (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
A mother, a father, and a sibling?  I guess I never had a "family" according to that narrow definition.  I never knew my father, and although I knew my mother, she did not raise me.  I also have only seen my half-sister a few times in my life; my only memories of interacting with her are when I was eighteen and when I was in my early twenties.  I was raised by my grandmother and grandfather, as well as my great-grandmother; my mother came into and exited from my life various times growing up, but my grandparents were always there.  Sure, my mother eventually married some asshole with a son, thereby giving me a step-father and a step-brother, but they separated not long after, and although they are still technically legally "family," I have no interest in them, nor they in me.  That leaves my grandmother, grandfather, great-grandmother, and my on-again, off-again mother.  Unfortunately, within the past few years, both of my grandparents have passed, leaving me only my great-grandmother and my mother.  I'm willing to throw my cousin in there, too, even though he's lived down in Florida most of his life, but I cannot throw in my uncle at this point because he, too, has passed.  "A mother, a great-grandmother, and a cousin down in Florida" might not fit your definition of "family," but believe me, they are family.  "Family" does not come one-size-fits-all.

You reference human nature, but cite the Bible and the Qur'an, works not known for exploring the topic of human nature.  I would recommend the book The Ethics of Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard.  I agree with almost everything Rothbard wrote in that book, with a just few exceptions.

allixpeeke (talk) 19:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Everyone who talk about Ethics is from Middle Age? Everyone who have a Faith is from Middle Ages? --Sonia Sevilla (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Ethics and religion are two separate things. People of faith don't all have the same views on social issues, because Scriptures are open to interpretation. And some of us don't believe in "Revelation" at all: quoting from the Bible or the Qur'an only tells us what a few Men thought and wrote down many centuries ago. You see, Wikiquote can't take sides on what religion (if any) is true. ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
User:DanielTom is correct.  Even if some religion regards homosexuality to be "wrong," that doesn't mean it's Wikiquote's place to concur.  Atheists, for example, believe God is a fictional character.  Yet, it would be inappropriate to add God to Category:Fictional characters, and for the same exact reason that it is inappropriate to add homosexuality to Category:Vices.

Being agnostic, I've no idea whether or not God, or gods, exists.  I am not wise enough to know (nor, I think, is anyone else, if we are to be honest with ourselves; the most we can do is hope).  But, I do believe this: even if God exists, ethics transcends God.  Thus, if God exists, and if God subjectively regards homosexuality to be impious or sinful, then God is not perfectly rational, and therefore imperfect, and an imperfect god is not worthy of worship.  Conversely, if God exists and is perfect, then God is perfectly rational, and no rational being would ever send a homosexual to hell (or in any other way punish a homosexual) merely for being homosexual.  After all, it doesn't take a god (or even a rocket scientist) to figure out that throwing homosexuals in hell for no reason is wrong, so if a simpleton like myself can figure it out, God should be able to figure it out, too.

If you wish to worship God, that's your prerogative, but I would make this recommendation:  If you're going to worship God, make sure it's a perfect God you worship, since imperfect gods are not worthy of your worship.  Since all homophobic or heterosexist gods are imperfect (and thus unworthy), make sure the God you believe in and worship is not a homophobic or heterosexist god.

If I were still a Christian, I would probably believe that the notion of God-being-against-homosexuality was a Luciferian/Satanic trick aimed at making people worship a false, homophobic god, instead of the one, true, perfect, non-homophobic, rational God.  But, even if I were still a Christian, it still wouldn't be the place of Wikiquote to take sides on matters of faith.

Best regards,
allixpeeke (talk) 19:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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  • If all lesbians suddenly turned purple today, society would be surprised at the number of purple people in high places.
    • Sidney Abbott & Barbara Love, Sappho was a right-on woman, 1972[page needed]
  • ¿A quién le importa lo que yo haga?
¿A quién le importa lo que yo diga?
Yo soy así, así seguiré,
¡y nunca cambiaré!
(Who cares what I say? Who cares what I do? I'm like this, I'll stay like this, and I will never change!)
  • Alaska, ¿A quién le importa?
  • King James' favorite male lovers were the Earl of Somerset and the Duke of Buckingham.
  • [To a gay-basher] You'd better be careful. The last time I was this close to another man, we were slow dancing.
    • Antony, in The Other Side of the Closet.
  • Mom, I've been sitting around all day trying to decide whether to tell you it's just a phase, or to tell you the truth.
    • Eric, Edge of Seventeen.
  • [Refusing heterosexual sex:] I've never tried communism, but I know I wouldn't like that. It's the same thing. Or grits.
    • Matt Mateo, "The Opposite of Sex".
  • There's a man in the city, a wonderful, beautiful man, who loves me very much. And he's going to love you too. And we're going to be a family.
    • Sweet William, The Hanging Garden.
  • Amid this whole uproar [over gays in the military], the most apt comment I heard was on my local eleven o'clock TV news when they interviewed a woman on the street. She said, "I don't understand somethin'. These guys are supposed to travel all over the world, live in trenches, sleep in mud, and walk over minefields. But they can't take some guy lookin' at 'em?"
    • Sara Cytron and Harriet Malinowitz, Take My Domestic Partner... Please!
  • James's sexual orientation was so widely known that Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it in public saying "King Elizabeth" had been succeeded by "Queen James."
  • Grace, who's five, has a friend over and I hear her say to her friend, "Let's pretend we're gay." The friend goes, "What's gay?" And Grace says, "Gay is when two girls get together, dance and have fun."
  • are some homosexuals whom we would do well to take seriously.
  • Even though adult homosexuals have fought hard to win rights and liberties... too many people are still scandalized by the mere idea that youth discovering their gay orientation could be given the same liberties and possibilities as straight ones. Whereas the discovery of heterosexual desire is celebrated as the sign that "he's becoming a man" and therefore largely encouraged, without anyone seeing any sort of proselytizing in it, it's a completely different story when it's homosexual desire that's surfacing. Everything happens as if gays and bisexuals under 18 didn't exist, or at least shouldn't exist.
    • Dr. Michel Dorais, Mort ou fif.
  • As long as our culture makes coming out an act of civil disobedience, being gay will be a political statement. Accept, at least for now, that your sexuality has political ramifications.
    • Kenneth Hanes, "The Gay Guy's Guide to Life".
  • Loosen up. Being masculine doesn't mean being a statue. Wrists were made to bend.
    • Kenneth Hanes, "The Gay Guy's Guide to Life".
  • Before you criticize queens, fairies or someone who acts "too queer", consider where we'd be without them.
    • Kenneth Hanes, "The Gay Guy's Guide to Life".
  • When a straight couple's relationship fails, it's because of his/her drinking, inability to commit, infidelity, and so on. In other words, a straight couple's relationship fails because of personal flaws, not because its participants are heterosexual. But when a gay relationship fails, "they" say it's because gay relationships inherently can't work. Call this double standard what it is - a crock of homophobic crap.
    • Kenneth Hanes, The Gay Guy's Guide to Love.
  • Nobody knows what "causes" homosexuality any more than they know what "causes" heterosexuality. (Of course, there is far less interest in what causes the latter.) Overtly, the old psychoanalytic bugaboos are dead; there is no evidence, according to the Kinsey Institute, that male homosexuality is caused by dominant mothers and/or weak fathers, or that female homosexuality is caused by girls' having exclusively male role models. Furthermore, children who are raised by gay and lesbian couples are no more likely to be homosexual than children of heterosexual couples. Nor do people become adult homosexuals because they were seduced by older people or went to same-sex boarding schools...
    Though the causes of sexual orientation are unknown and the definitions fluid, the likelihood of converting a homosexual to a heterosexual orientation, or vice versa, is very slight. Some homosexual men and women voluntarily come for therapy to change from same-sex to opposite-sex partners, but it is not clear whether the limited "success" rate refers to a change in their feelings and the pattern of their desire, or just in their ability to consciously restrict their sexual contact to members of the opposite sex.
    • Patricia Hersch, The Family Therapy Networker, Jan/Feb 1991.

  • I dunno how you all feel about it, gays in the military. Here's how I feel about it. Anyone dumb enough to want to be in the military should be allowed in. End of fucking story.
  • You know, I'm so sick - I've watched all these fucking congressional hearings and all these military guys and the pundits seriously, "Oh, the esprit du corps will be affected", and "Oh we are such a moral..." Excuse me?! Aren't you all just fucking hired killers?! Shut up!
    • Bill Hicks (comedian), on gay people in the military, Rant in E-Minor.

  • None of the Gospel writers, nor the missionary Paul, nor the formulators of the Tradition, possess the psychological, sociological, and sexological knowledge which now inform our theological reflections about human sexuality. They knew nothing of sexual orientation or of the natural heterosexual-bisexual-homosexual continuum that exists in human life. They did not postulate that persons engaging in same-gender sex acts could have been expressing their natural sexuality. They presumed that persons engaged in same-gender acts were heterosexual, presumed only one purpose for for sexuality (procreation) and presumed that anyone engaged in same-gender sex acts was consciously choosing perversion of what was assumed to be natural sexuality (i.e., heterosexuality). We now know that same-gender sex acts have been observed in a multitude of species from sea gulls to porcupines... We know that same-gender oriented persons can experience deep love with one another and can nurture meaningful, long-lasting relationships.
    • William R. Johnson, Positively Gay: New Approaches to Gay and Lesbian Life, ed. Betty Berzon, 1992. [page needed]
  • The very general occurrence of the homosexual in ancient Greece, and its wide occurrence today in some cultures in which such activity is not taboo suggests that the capacity of an individual to respond erotically to any sort of stimulus, whether it is provided by another person of the same or opposite sex, is basic in the species.
  • It would encourage clearer thinking on these matters if persons were not characterized as hetereosexual or homosexual, but as individuals who have had certain amounts of heterosexual experience and certain amounts of homosexual experience. Instead of using these terms as substantives which stand for persons, or even as adjectives to describe persons, they may better be used to describe the nature of the overt sexual relations, or of the stimuli to which an individual erotically responds.
  • Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheeps and goats. Not all things are black nor all things white. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories. Only the human mind invents categories and tries to force facts into separated pigeon-holes. The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects. The sooner we learn this concerning human sexual behavior, the sooner we shall reach a sound understanding of the realities of sex.
  • What do you mean, since when did I become such a radical fairy? Since I started knowing twits like you, you twit!
    • Larry Kramer, Just Say No.
  • This pioneer of sexology [Krafft-Ebing] even came to question whether homosexuality might be innate (and people began to forgive us for living, as if it would matter to anyone if being an Atlético de Madrid fan was innate or not.)
  • Now then, I hasten to repeat that these practices [S&M] are certainly not usual or universal among us, but rather are variants practiced by a minority that is not representative of all gay people, although they do make up an identifiable sector that I don't want to leave out (as do many politically correct gay people, who like to give the impression that gay men only sodomize each other on Versace cushions by candlelights to Yo-Yo Ma playing Bach's Suites for Cello.)
  • It is my opinion that while the word bisexual may have its uses as an adjective, … it is not only useless but mendacious when used as a noun.
    • John Malone, Straight Women/Gay Men.
  • Indeed, Miss Manners has come to believe that the basic political division in this country is not between liberals and conservatives but between those who believe that they should have a say in the love lives of strangers and those who do not.
  • Dear Miss Manners: What should I say when I am introduced to a homosexual "couple"?
Gentle Reader: "How do you do?" "How do you do?"
  • Miss Manners (Judith Martin), Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior.
  • The time has come, I think, when we must recognize bisexuality as a normal form of human behavior... we shall not really succeed in discarding the straitjacket of our cultural beliefs about sexual choice if we fail to come to terms with the well-documented, normal human capacity to love members of both sexes.
  • Jackie Biskupski is running for a seat in the Utah Legislature, and she's attracting a lot of attention because she's a lesbian. Her Republican opponent, Dan Alderson, is a staunch Mormon, and is running a negative ad campaign calling her lifestyle abnormal and deviant. His six wives agree.
  • And now, the main thing! As far as I can see, my next work will be called "Human Bisexuality." It will go to the root of the problem and say the last word it may be granted to say -- the last and the most profound.
  • A man's heterosexuality will not put up with any homosexuality, and vice versa.
  • Appropriate patterns of reproductive, gender, and sexual conduct are all products of specific cultures and all can be viewed as examples of socially scripted conduct. Western societies now have a system of gender and sexual learning in which gender differential scripts are learned prior to sexual scripts, but take their origins in part from the previously learned gender scripts... There are two important point: The first is that both gender and sexuality are learned forms of social practice, and the second is that looking to "natural differences" between women and men for lessons about sexual conduct is an error.
    • John Gagnon, "The Eplicit and Implicit Use of the Scripting Perspective in Sex Research", 1990.
  • From the perspective of scripting theory, same-gender erotic preferences are elicited and shaped by the systems of meaning offered for conduct in a culture. What is usually construed as culture against "man" or culture against nature is thus actually conflict among differently enculturated individuals or groups.
    What is required is a constant recognition that acts of usage and explanation are acts of social control in the strong sense, that "homosexual" and "homosexuality" are names that have been imposed on some persons and their conduct by other persons -- and that this imposition has carried the right of the latter to tell the former the origins, meaning, and virtue of their conduct.
  • [describing a straight woman's infatuation with a gay man:] We had this electric moment when you said to me, "Why do you have to be gay?" and I said to you, "Me? Why do you have to be a woman?"
    • Nick, It's My Party.
  • When a gay man has way too much fashion sense for one gender, he is a drag queen.
    • Miss Noxeema, To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar.
  • — Didja make your quota, Lois?
    — Yup, kissed a woman from every state in the Union. Rhode Island was a drag queen, though. Do you think that counts?
    • Thea and Lois, in Alison Bechdel's Dykes to Watch Out For [page needed]
  • [Among young gay men], it is the rebel who, in rejecting homophobia, develops a resistance that will protect him in a certain way from depression and suicide.
    • Dr. Michel Dorais, Mort ou fif.
  • The dilemma of traditional sex research lay in the unconscious, but unquestiongly assumed division into opposing drives and hereditary factors... The division into heterosexuality and homosexuality, into hetersexuals and homosexuals, is also an artefact that rests on a grave error, namely, on the assumption that a fundamentally different model is necessary to explain heteorsexual and homosexual behavior. The entire investigation of etiology was ideologically loaded beforehand because it separated a segment of the sexual continuum and attempted to make analyses with the help of fundamentally different concepts.
    • Rolf Gindorf, "Scientific ideologies in change: Fear of Homosexuality as an Intellectual Event", 1977.
  • Homosexuality was invented by a straight world dealing with its own bisexuality.
    • Kate Millett, Flying.
  • I don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public.
    • T-shirt worn by Dennis Rodman of the Chicago Bulls during a network-TV interview.
  • If I was gay, there would be no closet, you would never see the closet I came out of. Why? I would have burned it for kindling by the time I was 12. Because I know with all certainty in my mind, there is nothing wrong with being gay, and you know it.
  • Oh! I want to put my arms arms around you, I ache to hold you close. Your ring is a great comfort. I look at it and think she does love me or I wouldn't be wearing it!
  • We come out of our mothers naked; everything else is just drag!
    • RuPaul in her book "Letting it All Hang Out".
Insistence on having a sexual orientation in sex is about defending the status quo, maintaining sex differences and the sexual hierarchy; whereas resistance to sexual orientation, regimentation is more about where we need to be going.
    • John Stoltenberg (1989).
  • Butch (definition): Macho with a purse.
  • Closet (definition): Basement suite of a heterosexual outhouse.
  • Deviant (definition): A person who wanders from the One True Path and is caught urinating somewhere in the midst of the unthinkable. A person taking any exit ramp off the freeway of self-righteousness."
  • Unnatural act (definition): Any everyday act not equally typical of cattle, sheep, and horses. Singing, smoking, and various heterosexual and homosexual acts are included.
  • Gays are not oppressed on a whim, but because of the specific need of capitalism for the nuclear family. The nuclear family, as the primary -- and inexpensive -- provider and carer for the workforce, fulfilled in the nineteenth century and still fulfills an important need for capitalism. Alternative sexualities represent a threat to the family model because they provide an alternative role model for people. Gays are going to be in the front line of attack whenever capitalism wants to reinforce family values.
    • Louise Tierney, "Looking to the Future".
  • The reason no one has yet been able to come up with a good word to describe the homosexualist (sometimes known as gay, fag, queer, etc.) is because he does not exist. The human race is divided into male and female. Many human beings enjoy the sexual relations with their own sex, many don't; many respond to both. The plurality is the fact of our nature and not worth fretting about.
  • The ongoing psychopathic hatred of same-sexuality has made the United States the laughingstock of the civilized world. In most of the First World, monotheism is weak. Where it is weak or nonexistent, private sexual behavior has nothing to do at all with those not involved, much less the law. At least when the Emperor Justinian, a Christian monotheist, decided to outlaw sodomy, he had to come up with a good practical reason, which he did. It is well known, Justinian declared, that buggery is a principal cause of earthquakes, and so must be prohibited. But our monotheists, always eager to hate, still quote Leviticus, as if that loony text had anything useful to say about anything except, perhaps, the inadvisability of eating shellfish in the Jerusalem area.
    • Gore Vidal, (The Great Unmentionable) Monotheism and its Discontents, essay
  • He has told me he likes men as well as he likes women, which seems only natural, he says, since he is the offspring of two sexes as well as two races. No one is surprised he is biracial; why should they be surprised he is bisexual? This is an explanation I have never heard and cannot entirely grasp; it seems too logical for my brain.
  • My sexuality is my own sexuality. It doesn't belong to anybody. Not to my government, not to my brother, my sister, my family. No.
    • Ashraf Zanati, in the documentary Dangerous Living: Coming Out in the Developing World; Zanati was one of The Cairo 52, a group of men imprisoned for homosexuality in Egypt.
  • As long as they're homophobic behind closed doors, and don't hurt anyone, I'm fine with it.

  • He told me to pull my socks up; find a nice girl and get married. I told my doctor I wanted to see a psychiatrist. He said I was a namby-pamby. He told me to get a piece of paper and draw pictures of nude women. I think he was off his rocker.
    • Michael Schofield, A Minority.
  • When you call someone a 'fag,' it identifies them with a group, a group that in today's climate is open to harassment. So by calling someone a 'fag,' you are giving yourself and the people around you the license to either damage this individual verbally or physically.
  • As a mother, I know that homosexuals cannot biologically reproduce children; therefore, they must recruit our children.
  • “If gays are granted rights, next we'll have to give rights to prostitutes and to people who sleep with St. Bernards and to nailbiters.”
  • “If homosexuality was the normal way, God would have made Adam and Bruce"
  • Love, golden-haired boy, tosses
His purple ball to me one more time,
Invites me to play
With the girl in colourful sandals.
But she's from towering Lesbos,
And my hair, being white,
She despises. She's gasping
For another girl...
  • Coming toward them, on the path, were two glittering, loud-talking fairies....Ida said, "I always feel so sorry for people like that."
Ellis grinned. "Why should you feel sorry for them? They've got each other."

  • Melvin Udall: Never, never, interrupt me, okay? Not if there's a fire, not even if you hear the sound of a thud from my home and one week later there's a smell coming from there that can only be a decaying human body and you have to hold a hanky to your face because the stench is so thick that you think you're going to faint. Even then, don't come knocking. Or, if it's election night, and you're excited and you wanna celebrate because some fudgepacker that you date has been elected the first queer president of the United States and he's going to have you down to Camp David, and you want someone to share the moment with. Even then, don't knock. Not on this door. Not for ANY reason. Do you get me, sweetheart?
  • You're not listening to me! I am fucking gay!
    • Alyssa Jones (Joey Lauren Adams), Chasing Amy.
  • Mom, I've been sitting around all day trying to decide whether to tell you it's just a phase, or to tell you the truth.
    • Eric, Edge of Seventeen.
  • There's a man in the city, a wonderful, beautiful man, who loves me very much. And he's going to love you too. And we're going to be a family.
    • Sweet William, The Hanging Garden.
  • You are gay! You are a homosexual! I know it, your family knows it, dogs know it! The only one who doesn't know it is you!
    • The Doctor (Dave Foley), Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy.
  • [describing a straight woman's infatuation with a gay man:] We had this electric moment when you said to me, "Why do you have to be gay?" and I said to you, "Me? Why do you have to be a woman?"
    • Nick, It's My Party.
  • Oh please, you are not bisexual. I went to a bar mitzvah once; that doesn't make me Jewish.
    • Lucia (Lisa Kudrow), The Opposite of Sex.
  • [Refusing heterosexual sex:] I've never tried communism, but I know I wouldn't like that. It's the same thing. Or grits.
    • Matt Mateo, "The Opposite of Sex".
  • When a gay man has way too much fashion sense for one gender, he is a drag queen.
    • Miss Noxeema, To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar.
  • It's too bad gays aren't as sick as they're made out to be. It would sure as hell be more fun at these Show Choir competitions!
    • James Spring II, Local Civil Rights Activist
  • The point here is that the homosexual nature is part of the natural law of God; it should be accepted for what it is, no more and no less. Hindus are generally conservative but it seems to me that in ancient India, they even celebrated sex as an enjoyable part of procreation, where priests were invited for ceremonies in their home to mark the beginning of the process
    • Anil Bhanot, general secretary of The United Kingdom Hindu Council [4]
  • Oh please, you are not bisexual. I went to a bar mitzvah once; that doesn't make me Jewish.
  • It's too bad gays aren't as sick as they're made out to be. It would sure as hell be more fun at these Show Choir competitions!
    • James Spring II, Local Civil Rights Activist

Non-notable sourcesEdit

  • I've heard it suggested from some people that Christians are so irrationally obsessed with [homosexuality] because deep down they're terrified that Jesus himself might have been gay. There's no real evidence for it, but then there's no real evidence for anything to do with religion. So yeah, I'll buy it. Well, keep an open mind, that's what I always say. … If we take the actual Gospels as gospel then what we've got is a man in his thirties, unmarried in a culture where it's almost unheard of for a man of thirty to be unmarried. Plus, come on, you can't ignore the twelve boyfriends, especially when there's a missing passage from the Gospel of Mark that actually describes Jesus spending a night with a naked youth. We're told that the youth came to Jesus wearing a linen cloth over his naked body, and stayed with him that night, 'for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God.' I bet he did. Along with one or two other little mysteries while he was at it. Well, why not? He was only human. The apostle John repeatedly refers to himself as the one who Jesus specially loved. I don't know whether he meant it "in the Greek manner", so to speak, but what would it matter if he did? This is the point. If Jesus was gay, would it negate the teachings and the parables? Would the Sermon on the Mount lose its authority if preached by the queen of queens rather than the king of kings? And if somebody could prove historically, beyond all doubt, that Jesus was in fact homosexual, would Christians then reject Jesus, or would they reject the evidence as usual? Your guess is as good as mine. From what I've read in the Gospels, I think Jesus was a pretty common sense sort of person, and I don't think he would have had a problem with anybody being who they are. I do think, though, that he had a problem with people who pretend to be one thing while being another. So if you are a closet homosexual family man with your own ministry, as I know some of you are, don't be ashamed. God knows you've got enough to be ashamed of without adding imaginary crimes to the list. It's not a sin to be gay. It's a sin, if anything, to be a liar and a hypocrite about it. So why not do yourself and everyone around you a favour, step out of that closet and show a little pride in who you really are. Some people won't like it, of course they won't. But you know how bigoted they are. You know that better than anybody. And anyway, you can ignore their opinion because now you'll have the kind of strength that only comes from being true to yourself. And who knows, it might even help to enhance your faith, if you take comfort from the real possibility that your Messiah, Mr. Jesus Christ, was a normal healthy homosexual, just like you.


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  • Zeinab Badawi: Okay, Stephen Fry, the question about the Catholic church apparently doesn’t condemn homosexuality, that question asked.
Stephen Fry: Well, I’m afraid it simply does, it does condemn it, yes. It calls it, the official word is a disorder, but it was refined by the current Pontiff, Ratzinger, who called it a moral evil. But on the other hand we must remember, as the point that was made, is that the church is very loose on moral evils, because although they try to accuse people like me, who believe in empiricism and the Enlightenment, of somehow what they call moral relativism, as if it’s some appalling sin, where what it actually means is thought, they for example thought that slavery was perfectly fine, absolutely okay, and then they didn’t. And what is the point of the Catholic church if it says ‘oh, well we couldn’t know better because nobody else did,’ then what are you for?
  • First of all you – you fucking fake Christians – don’t fucking question my Christianity. I grew up in the church. My grandfather was a minister, who is with God now and talks to me in my dreams from God’s corner office. I am a former Sunday school teacher. I taught the Bible to children and showed them how to love God and invite him into their hearts. I believe in God – but I don’t fear him. God is my best friend. God is my ally. God is my boyfriend. God is my best fag. I am God’s fag hag cuz didn’t you know, God is a big fag. Serious bottom too. Butch in the streets, femme in the sheets. That is my God. God is my biggest fan. God gets me, dude.
God wants us all to just get along. He doesn’t give a shit about the profanity. The bitch fucking invented profanity. He thinks it is hilarious. He just wants you to talk to him, and he doesn’t care what you have to say. He just wants to keep the conversation going. Like Jay-Z, he just wants to love you. He just wants you to be able to make your own decisions. God is all about you and what you need. God is happy that you are gay. God made you fucking gay cuz he thinks it is awesome. God understands if you need to have an abortion. That is why he created abortion, on the 8th day. God accepts. God forgives. God loves all of us, even though some of us might have a problem with each other.
  • Homosexuality as a "clinical" entity cannot be seriously upheld in the face of evidence that human behaviour shows an imperceptible graduation from the wholly heterosexual to the wholly homosexual. The variety of the experience which is statistically normal to the male population concerned is far greater than could have been guessed.
    • Alex Comfort ,"The Kinsey Report" Freedom, 1st May 1948. Reprinted in Against power and death : the anarchist articles and pamphlets of Alex Comfort, London, 1994. (p.103)
  • I do watch a lot of television science fiction, and it is a particularly sexless world. With a lot of the material from America, I think gay, lesbian and bisexual characters are massively underrepresented, especially in science fiction, and I'm just not prepared to put up with that. It's a very macho, testosterone-driven genre on the whole, very much written by straight men. I think Torchwood possibly has television's first bisexual male hero, with a very fluid sexuality for the rest of the cast as well. We're a beacon in the darkness.
    • Russel T. Davies "Parallel universe". The Age (Melbourne, Australia). 14 June 2007. Retrieved 27 June 2007.
  • There is object proof that homosexuality is more interesting than heterosexuality. It's that one knows a considerable number of heterosexuals who would wish to become homosexuals, whereas one knows very few homosexuals who would really like to become heterosexuals.
    • Michel Foucault, quoted in Aldrich, Robert and Wotherspoon, Gary (Eds.) (2001). Who's Who in Contemporary Gay & Lesbian History: From World War II to the Present Day. New York: Routledge. ISBN 041522974X.
  • Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness.
    • Sigmund Freud, letter to an American mother's plea to cure her son's homosexuality, 1935.
  • I do not in the least underestimate bisexuality … I expect it to provide all further enlightenment.
  • We do not know-though we theorise and penalise with ferocious confidence-whether the "normal" sexual relationship is homo-, bi-, or hetero-sexual.
    • Winifred Holtby, Women and A Changing Civilisation, London, John Lane (1934) Quoted in Marion Shaw,The Clear Stream : A Life of Winifred Holtby. London : Virago, 1999 (p.60).
  • If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door.
"You gotta give them hope."
  • Harvey Milk (Shilts, R. The Mayor of Castro Street, pp 184, 375).
  • Concerning the Pope's claim that homosexuality is 'unnatural'. Perhaps the Pope is suggesting that it lies beyond the scope of 'normal' human behavior. If so, this has uncomfortable implications for an association of old men who wear dresses, hear voices and practice ritual cannibalism. Self-enforced celibacy is all but unknown among other animal species. If any sexual behavior is out of tune with the natural world, it is surely that of the priesthood.
    • George Monbiot, The Guardian, July 13, 2000.
  • Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else.
    • Barack Obama's Twitter [5]
  • Bisexuality should be the norm. ... It's the cure for many problems. I don't believe in gay versus straight. The message of the gay liberation movement should have been freedom of sexuality, not antagonism toward sexuality other than gay sex. Most people are going to want to be straight, this is true, be cause most people breed, and nature wants us to breed. However, I believe in the liberation of all avenues of pleasure, and I want all straight people to have their options open without it implicating them. The impulses are there if they aren't repressed, so people should choose to live without those labels.
  • Many men, labelled homosexual by themselves and others, want to be fathers. Their beliefs and those of your society leads them to imagine that they must always be heterosexual or homosexual. Many feel a desire toward women that is also inhibited. Your male or female orientation limits you in ways that you do not understand. For example, in many cases the gentle "homosexual" father has a better innate idea of manliness than a heterosexual male who believes that men must be cruel, insensitive, and competitive.
    • Jane Roberts in The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression, p. 89.
  • The homosexual never thinks of himself when someone is branded in his presence with the name homosexual. ...His sexual tastes will doubtless lead him to enter into relationships with this suspect category, but he would like to make use of them without being likened to them. Here, too, the ban that is cast on certain men by society has destroyed all possibility of reciprocity among them. Shame isolates.
    • Jean-Paul Sartre, quoted in Who's Who, from Sartre's Saint Genet: Actor and Martyr (New York, 1963).
  • I maintain that inversion is the effect of neither a prenatal choice nor an endocrinal malformation nor even the passive and determined result of complexes. It is an outlet that a child discovers when he is suffocating.
    • Jean-Paul Sartre, quoted in Who's Who, from Sartre's Saint Genet: Actor and Martyr (New York, 1963).
  • Homosexuality involves sexual acts most men consider not only immoral, but filthy.
  • It probably would be a lot cheaper to just exterminate male homosexuals.
    • Paul Cameron, discussing concentration camps for AIDS victims in an interview with Dawn Stover published in Forum Magazine (November 1985).
  • Homosexuality is a crime against humanity.
    • Paul Cameron, in a pamphlet titled Criminality, Social Disruption and Homosexuality, quoted by Mark E. Pietrzyk, in News-Telegraph (10 March 1995).
  • I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend.
    • Paul Cameron, as quoted by Mark E. Pietrzyk, in News-Telegraph (10 March 1995).
  • The promotion of homosexuality would lead to the eventual destruction of the human race.
  • We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honor, and purity, to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling and trading with interest.
    • Osama Bin Laden, Full text: bin Laden's "letter to America"', The Observer, November 24, 2002.
  • I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral, and that we should not condone immoral acts.
  • The crime of sodomy is a crime against God and man and its practice is a terrible step to the total demoralization of any country and must inevitably lead to the breakdown of all decency within the province.
    • Ian Paisley, 1977 Speech. Quoted in Stephen Hunt, Contemporary Christianity and Lgbt Sexualities Ashgate Publishing,

2009 (p. 132).

  • If the widespread practice of homosexuality will bring about the destruction of your nation, if it will bring about terrorist bombs, if it'll bring about earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor, it isn't necessarily something we ought to open our arms to.
  • Not arrested development or immaturity but deliberate and mature warfare against God marks the homosexual. God's penalty is death, and a godly order will enforce it.
    • R. J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law, 1973, quoted in Steven E Atkins,

Encyclopedia of Right-Wing Extremism In Modern American History, ABC-CLIO, 2011 (p. 164).

  • We are making legislation to make sure that sodomy and homosexuality never sees the light of legality in this land of the part of Africa.
  • "These four [irsyaka, sevyaka, vataretas, and mukhebhaga] are to be completely rejected as unqualified for marriage, even for a woman who has been raped.
    • Narada Smriti Book 1 chapter 12 verse 15
  • Is there a quick test like an x-ray that discloses these things?
    • Senator Margaret Chase Smith, congressional hearing, 1950; as quoted in The Secret History of Wonder Woman (2014) by Jill Lepore, p. 272.
  • Eating the five products of the cow and keeping a one-night fast.
    • Replacement penance for homosexuality in Hinduism instead of losing caste, Vanita & Kidwai 2001, p. 25
  • A woman known for her independence, with no sexual bars, and acting as she wishes, is called svairini. She makes love with her own kind. She strokes her partner at the point of union, which she kisses.
    • Yashodhara, (Jayamangala on Kama Sutra 2.8.13).
  • But the base philanderer
Ogled with another;
So, of course, to despite her,
I decided to transfer
Affections to her brother.
  • John Barford, "Serve Her Right".
  • And what is she (quoth he) whom thou do'st love?
Look in this glasse (quoth I) there shalt thou see
The perfect forme of my faelicitie.
When, thinking that it would strange Magique prove,
He open'd it: and taking of the cover,
He straight perceav'd himselfe to be my Lover.
  • My voice rings down through thousands of years
To coil around your body and give you strength,
You who have wept in direct sunlight,
Who have hungered in invisible chains,
Tremble to the cadence of my legacy:
An army of lovers cannot fail.
  • Iuventius, if I were always allowed
to kiss your honey-sweet eyes,
I might kiss you three hundred
thousand times, and never be sated.
  • I believe the more you love a man,
The more you give your trust, the more you're bound to lose,
Although, when shadows fall,
I think if only somebody splendid really needed me,
Someone affectionate and dear,
Cares would be ended if I knew that he
Wanted to have me near...
  • In an article published seventy years ago Erich Bethe observed that the intrusion of moral evaluation, 'the deadly enemy of science', had vitiated the study of Greek homosexuality; and it has continued to do so. A combination of a love of Athens with hatred of homosexuality underlies the judgments that homosexual relations were 'a Dorian sin, cultivated by a tiny minority at Athens' (J.A.K. Thomson, ignoring the evidence of the visual arts) or that they were 'regarded as disgraceful both by law and … by general opinion' (A.E. Taylor, ignoring the implications of the text to which he refers in his footnote)...I know of no topic in classical studies on which a scholar's normal ability to perceive differences and draw inferences is so easily impaired; and none on which a writer is so likely to be thought to have said what he has not said or to be charged with omitting to say something which he has said several times.
    • K.J. Dover, (1989). Greek Homosexuality, preface, p. vii. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press. ISBN 0674362705.
  • Puisqu'il faut choisir, à mots doux je peux le dire
Sans contrefaçon, je suis un garçon
Et pour un empire, je ne veux me dévêtir
Puisque sans contrefaçon, je suis un garçon
(Since I have to choose, softly I can say it
Without counterfeiting, I am a boy
Even for all the world, I don't want to undress myself
Since without counterfeiting, I am a boy)
  • Mylène Farmer, "Sans contrefaçon".
  • He pressed his forehead against mine, clasped me round the waist, and said that henceforth we were married... Thus, then, in our hearts' honeymoon, lay I and Queequeg- a cosy, loving pair.
  • Forty-six now and dying by inches, I finally see how our lives align at the core, if not in the sorry details. I still shiver with a kind of astonished delight when a gay brother or sister tells of that narrow escape from the coffin world of the closet. Yes yes yes, goes a voice in my head, it was just like that for me. When we laugh together then and dance in the giddy circle of freedom, we are children for real at last, because we have finally grown up.
  • And I'll stay away from Verlaine, too; he was always chasing Rimbauds.
  • Kissing Agathon, I held my life on my lips.
It wanted to pass over, poor thing, into him.
  • What issue of my love remains for me!
How wild a passion works within my breast,
With what prodigious flames am I possest!
Could I the care of Providence deserve,
Heav'n must destroy me, if it would preserve.
And that's my fate, or sure it would have sent
Some usual evil for my punishment:
Not this unkindly curse; to rage, and burn,
Where Nature shews no prospect of return.
Nor cows for cows consume with fruitless fire;
Nor mares, when hot, their fellow-mares desire:
The father of the fold supplies his ewes;
The stag through secret woods his hind pursues;
And birds for mates the males of their own species chuse.
Her females Nature guards from female flame,
And joins two sexes to preserve the game:
Wou'd I were nothing, or not what I am!
  • Ovid, Metamorphoses (tr. Garth, Dryden, et al.)/Book IX
  • We two boys together clinging,
One the other never leaving,
Up and down the roads going, North and South excursions making,
Power enjoying, elbows stretching, fingers clutching,
Arm'd and fearless, eating, drinking, sleeping, loving,
No law less than ourselves owning, sailing, soldiering, thieving, threatening,
Misers, menials, priests alarming, air breathing, water drinking, on the turf or the sea-beach dancing,
Cities wrenching, ease scorning, statues mocking, feebleness chasing,
Fulfilling our foray.
  • I have said to you to speak the truth is a painful thing. To be forced to tell lies is much worse.
  • Once I pass'd through a populous city imprinting my brain for future use with its shows, architecture, customs, tradition,
Yet now of all that city I remember only a man I casually met there who detained me for love of me,
Day by day and night by night we were together - all else has long been forgotten by me,
I remember I saw only that man who passionately clung to me,
Again we wander, we love, we separate again,
Again he holds me by the hand, I must not go,
I see him close beside me with silent lips sad and tremulous.
  • What is straight? A line can be straight, or a street, but the human heart, oh, no, it's curved like a road through mountains.
Judy Fan: I'm about to go out with some friends... you're welcome to come. They're all friends of Dorothy. You are a friend of Dorothy, aren't you?
Winston: ...yeah, I guess I am.
Judy Fan: We're going to have to teach you to smile when you say that.
  • "A Friend of Dorothy", from Boys Life

Peter Malloy: One day I just clicked. I said: "Mom, dad, Sparky, I'm gay."
Howard Brackett: So what happened?
Peter Malloy: My mom cried, for exactly 10 seconds, my boss said: "Who cares?", and my dad said: "But you're so tall...!"
  • Inspector Roverini: È possibile che ha tendenze… omosessuali? '[translation: It is possible he has homosexual tendencies?]
Peter Smith-Kingsley: He wants to know if you're a homosexual.
Tom Ripley: No!
Peter Smith-Kingsley: No.
  • The Talented Mr. Ripley; played by Sergio Rubini, Jack Davenport, and Matt Damon in order of mention.
  • Seishiro: So I suppose we can pick a date for our wedding now.
Subaru: Um, but I'm a boy...
Seishiro: So I noticed.
  • Nanase Ohkawa, Tokyo Babylon.
  • -Wait'll you see MY act. Bertha Venation, in the Dance … of the Virgin.
-Which she does completely from memory.
  • Bertha Venation and Marsha Dimes, in Torch Song Trilogy.
  • Norma Cassady: I think that the right woman could reform you.
Carroll 'Toddy' Todd: You know, I think the right woman could reform you.


  • Yo-ho, Sebastian
Let's go far away
Somewhere where the captain won't be mad.
Yo-ho, Sebastian
I want to love you good
We deserve much better than we've had.
  • Pushed around and kicked around, always a lonely boy
Who were the one they could talk about around town as they put you down
And as hard as they would try to hurt, they made you cry
But you never cried to them, just to your soul...
You leave in the morning with everything you own in a little black case
Alone on a platform, the wind and the rain on a sad and lonely face...
Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away...
  • But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
  • This is what I am, I am a man
so come and dance with me Michael
So strong now, its strong now
so come and dance with me Michael
I'm all that you see, you wanna see
so come and dance with me Michael
  • I kissed a girl, her lips were sweet
She was just like kissing me
I kissed a girl, won't change the world
But I'm so glad I kissed a girl
  • "See the nice boys dancing in pairs/Golden earring, golden tan, blow-wave in their hair/Sure they're all straight! Straight as a line/All the gays are macho; see their leather shine".
  • They hug in silence as the sun sets on their empty street.
Her suspicions, well they're rising high.
And the man who sweeps him off she doesn't meet.
  • Why make it sad to be gay?
    Doing your thing is okay.
    Our body's our own, so leave us alone
    And play with yourself today.
  • "It was January 1963 when Johnny came home for a gift for me. He said 'I bought it for you because I love you and I bought it for you because it's your birthday, too.'. He was so very nice, he was so very kind to think of me, at this point in time....I just want you to be mine. I don't want this world to shine. I don't want this bridge to burn. Oh Johnny do you miss me? I just want to feel free."
  • "Constantly harrassed and misunderstood. I'm the 'lost and found' of the the neighbourhood. And I am not a part of society. So don't get off the ground, just be with me."
  • ...but here am I;
Once a caterpillar, now a butterfly.
  • "What I wanted to be was a family man, / but Nature had some alternative plans."
  • Remember when you were more easily led
Behind the cricket pavillion and the bicycle shed
Trembling as your dreams came true
You looked up into those blue eyes and knew
It was love, and now you can't pretend
You've forgotten all the promises of that first friend...
  • To free in me the trust I never dared
I always thought the risk too great
But suddenly, I don't hesitate
So take my hand, don't think of complications
Now, right now, your love is liberation
  • She's made you some kind of laughing stock
Because you dance to disco and you don't like rock
She made fun of you and even in bed
Said she was going to go and get herself a real man instead
  • But for all of those who don't fit in,
Who follow their instincts and are told they sin,
This is a prayer for a different way.
  • The more that you hate, the more that it grates.
  • To being an "us" for once instead of a "them:"
La vie bohème!
  • Rent, "La Vie Bohème".
  • We've all got an image that we want to convey
And drag is something each of us does every single day
  • I said to my dad, who's a Methodist minister, 'you day...a niece or a nephew, sooner or later we're going to get a gay or a lesbian,' so he might as well get used to it!
    • Tori Amos, spoken on VH-1 Storytellers before performing her song "Raspberry Swirl" (New York, 1999).
  • Shock the middle class, take it up your punk rock ass.
    You rub your puny thing, when you see studs with tight jeans pass you on the street.
    Who wears short shorts? You wear short shorts.
    You're so full of shit
    Why don't you admit that you don't have the balls to be a queer.
    • Screeching Weasel, "I Wanna Be a Homosexual".
  • Better pray for your sins. Better pray for your sins, 'cause the Gay Messiah's coming. No it will not be me. Rufus the Baptist I be. No I won't be the one....
  • Now, but I can't
    And I don't know
    How we're just two men as God had made us.
  • When the shirt came off, it was all in time

When a m-m-m-minute turned into a mile
And then I broke that grin, and I cut it out
And you got all turned on by the taste of your sin
When I mention blue, all you thought was color
When you mention drugs, all I thought was sober
When your pants came off and I turned you over
When you mention blue

Kill! Smile! Cut it out for me this time!
Smile, haven't seen him smile in a while

  • The Used, "Sound Effects And Overdramatics"


  • If it wasn't for gay men, I wouldn't talk to men at all.
    • Margaret Cho in her stage show "I'm the One That I Want". (Extensive exclusion of Ms. Cho's opinions on homosexuality at her wiki-link).
  • I love the word "faggot," because it describes my kind of guy! You see, I am a fag hag. Fag hags are the backbone of the gay community. Without us, you're nothing! We have been there all through history guiding your sorry ass through the underground railroad! ...We went to the prom with you!
  • I love my gay male friends, but when I was a little girl I always used to wish that I would be constantly surrounded by gorgeous guys, and I am, and I should have been more specific.
  • [quoting her friends from high school, Alan and Jeremy] I do not need nobody tellin' me who I am! I know who I am!... I be walkin' down the hallway, they call me names. They call me faggot, they call me sissy, I say, 'Oh yeah? Well, you forgot, I'm also a model and a actress, so fuck you too!'
  • I'm queer, I'm gay, I'm homosexual, I'm a poof, poofter, ponce, I'm a bumboy, batty boy, backside artist, bugger, I'm Bent. I am that arse bandit, I lift those shirts. I'm a faggot arse, fudge-packing, shit-stabbing uphill gardener, I dine at the downstairs restaurant, I dance at the other end of the ballroom, I'm Moses in the parting of the red cheeks. I fuck and I'm fucked, I suck and I'm sucked, I rim them and wank them and every single man's had the fucking time of his life. And I'm NOT a pervert.
    • Aidan Gillen as Stuart Allen Jones in Queer as Folk 2 (UK Series), written by Russell T. Davies.
  • He's here, he's queer, I'm buying him a beer!
  • If I came out, it would kill Mother. ...I'll do it tonight.
    • Oscar Wildcat, in Queer Duck.
  • I always get the feeling that when lesbians look at me, they're thinking, "That's why I'm not a heterosexual."
  • Haven't you noticed that John is just a little bit... festive?
  • I say let them marry. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?
  • -Mr Garrison, can I ask you a question?
-Of course, Stanley. What is it?
-What's a - homosexual?
-Oh. Well, Stanley, I guess you came to the right person. Sit down. ...Stanley, gay people - well, gay people are evil. Evil right down to their cold black hearts, which pump not blood like yours and mine, but rather a thick vomitous oil that oozes through their rotten veins and clots in their pea-sized brains, which becomes the cause of their Naziesque patterns of violent behaviour. Do you understand?
-I guess.
-Good. I'm glad we could have this little talk, Stanley. Now you go outside and practice football like a good little heterosexual.
  • This news [of the government's refusal to allow same-sex marriages] has sent shock waves through the gay community of the Northwest Territories. We go to him now.
    • This Hour Has 22 Minutes.
  • She's, she's the— the yin to my yang. Um… I just can't actually put my yang in her.
  • Sarah Jane Moore got life for missing Gerald Ford.
    • Anonymous reporter, after Dan White got two years for assassinating Harvey Milk and George Moscone, quoted in Randy Shilts, The Mayor of Castro Street


  • Nowhere in the Quran does it say punish homosexuals. And historians have also never found any case of the Prophet Muhammad dealing with homosexuality.
  • When I graduated from high school, I hoped that one day gay Americans would be able to get married. And now here I am 45 years later officiating same-sex marriages—how can I not be optimistic that the future is bright?
  • The younger they are, the more tolerant and accepting they are of LGBT Muslims, there are even older Muslims who are now supportive, including a grandmother here and there.
  • Some don’t believe that homosexuals can be pious. But we can be just as good at our faith as anyone else. We are simply different from other folks, not less committed to our faith.
  • Some people are uncomfortable with gays, but your discomfort with my sexuality should not translate into me having less rights as an American.
  • I believe every person, no matter if I disagree with you or not, you have the right as a Muslim to have the proper spiritual [rites] and rituals provided for you. And whoever judges you that will be Allah’s decision, not me.
  • Yes, it is religiously not allowed and not accepted practice in Islam. But that does not give anyone the right to hurt homosexuals or take the law into their own hands. Even if we view homosexuality as a religious sin, that does not give anyone the freedom to injure another person in any way. Each person is equally inviolable. What happened in Orlando is totally unacceptable.
    • Grand Mufti Shawki Allam, In an interview with the German publication Süddeutsche Zeitung. [9] (2 August 2016)
  • What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, And leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are froward folk.
  • Even though homosexuality is considered a sin in all the Semitic holy books, it does not require any punishment in this world. It is a sin that will accompany its committee in the life after death.
  • Homosexuals are not deviating from Islam. Homosexuality is a grave sin, but those who say that homosexuals deviate from Islam are the real deviators. By condemning homosexuals to death they are committing a graver sin than homosexuality itself.
  • Even though homosexuality does not distance oneself from Islam, the Islam does not encourage individuals who have same-sex attraction to show their feelings in public.
  • Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence…we have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it’s the same, out of compassion. Let’s get rid of them now.
    • Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar, at a speech at the Husseini Islamic Center in Orlando, Florida in 2013 [10]
  • If apostasy comes in the form of a crime, transgression, or high treason, it is only natural that it will be treated as a crime that must be fought, and must carry a certain punishment. But if apostasy does not constitute a danger or crime against society, I believe that society does not need to deal with this issue. We should be aware that the concepts of human rights are full of ticking time bombs. My opinion was – and I said this [in the West] – that no Muslim society could ever consider sexual liberty, homosexuality and so on to be a personal right. Muslim societies consider these things to be diseases, which must be fought and treated.


  • I am saying cult. It is a cult of abomination. It is clear that it is abomination. The Torah punishes it with death. This is in the first line of serious sins. They say 'tendency,' 'perversion' -- nonsense. There is lust, and a person can overcome it if he wants, as with any other kind of lust. This is one of the most forbidden types of lust. The most grave.
  • There is no such thin as having understanding or tolerance for this. ... When I have spoken about this in the past, secular people called to thank me. People don't want it. They want their children to get married and have children.
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