Binksternet

Sources

Hello Binksternet. If there are quotes as there is on Birdz, you should not delete them as they are sourced. Still, I appreciate it, keep it on! ~ Josephina • Talk 2 Me 01:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! When I first arrived at the Birdz article, I did not see any sources.[1] The two reverts by our anonymous friend in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada, did not add any sources.[2][3] I would definitely retain quotes that are sourced, and I would try to find sources for quotes that are likely to have good sourcing. Binksternet (talk) 02:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Please refrain from wholesale removing of quotes from TV shows, etc. I'm not sure of your rationale, but if you would like to make the case for this activity, please do so on Village pump first - have a discussion about it before continuing with the removals. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, please do not remove the links from the intros of such pages - these are standard parts of our pages. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

In your role as admin on Wikiquote you surely must have seen the Wikiquote main page statement that begins, "Wikiquote is a free online compendium of sourced quotations..."

I have been removing quotes that do not have verifiable published sources. I'm wondering if it's okay with you that many parts of Wikiquote remain unsourced. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of the word "sourced." Binksternet (talk) 23:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I see that the WQ:Q guideline tells us "Unsourced quotes will be removed from all articles. Adding unsourced quotes to articles will be reverted. A newly created page consisting of unsourced quotes will be nominated for deletion..." It appears that some users have not been following that path. Binksternet (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree with UDScott that much of your recent editing seems to be an attempt to impose new and overly stringent criteria on what is acceptable here as a citable "source" on television shows, films, or various animated media. I admit that I personally have little or no interest in most of these shows or quotes, nor in rigorously seeking to verify statements added to them which are not plainly dubious, nor in removing any from them which are not obviously wrong or outright vandalism. I definitely believe it to be usually quite sufficient to have a "season + episode" designated as the source of quotes on pages for tv shows, and film titles and dates for various films. I believe that holding these relatively simple verifiable criteria to be such as are sufficient for television shows and films has been accepted here from the earliest years of the project.
What your particular notions of appropriate criteria actually are is not entirely apparent, but it seems to be far more stringent and exclusive than ANY which have ever gained traction among most editors here, and were they to become accepted would result in nearly all quotes of nearly all pages for tv shows and films being eliminated. There are very few regular editors here highly interested in many of these pages, and individual quotes can properly be contested or rejected as incorrect or not sufficiently notable, if those most familiar with the material see fit to do so, and sufficiently argue and decide such cases, but attempts at blanket removal of quotes because they do not go beyond simple episode or film citation is something I also certainly reject as actually current policy and definitely object to pursuing as a policy. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC) + tweaks

To clarify, your stance is that the film or television show itself serves as the source? And that you usually trust as accurate any non-dubious quote that is added without a third-party reference? I was thinking it was necessary to have a secondary source showing the quote, which establishes the quote as verifiable and notable. Binksternet (talk) 00:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the film itself, as the work itself, usually available in some form for verification, has actually been the de facto criteria for most films, and episodes of shows the criteria used for them, usually arranged in seasons, for multi-season shows. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I think I understand your stance. Can you explain what is meant by the term "unsourced quotes" at WQ:Q? What kinds of edits would be "unsourced quotes"? Binksternet (talk) 01:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Those that are cited to a particular author or authors or as "anonymous", without citation to a particular document or work containing the statements, preferably with further specificity, such as chapter or page are "unsourced". Some people have begun using timestamps for quotes from some films or episodes of shows, which is certainly helpful to readers who wish to find them within such works, but I do not consider that a required degree of precision, and it has never been imposed as such here, and I would not support requiring such measures. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 01:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Deletion

Why did you delete a quote on Slavery? Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:19, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I didn't see any slavery in the quote. To me, it looked like Jack Kirby was explaining some aspect of a fictional character named Darkseid. Binksternet (talk) 05:22, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I think he is describing a slave, as he ends the quote with "A slave is a dead man." Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:26, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Jack Kirby is not describing slavery as a topic. He's describing mind control: a fictional situation as if the world was run by Darkseid. He ends with a throwaway comparison to being dead and/or a slave. But mind control is its own topic, and it's not slavery. And the quote is too far from the slavery topic to keep. Binksternet (talk) 05:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, ok.

Do you think it should be added to Mind control? Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I also added it to the talk page of Slavery (before you made this comment). Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)