User talk:Antandrus/Archive 1

Archive, from the Big Bang to June 2022

Usurpation?

Hi, I came here from WQ:AN (and thanks for your information a lot). You say "using this login until I can usurp my username here." I'm puzzled: your contribs here has no request for usurpation. You'd welcome to submit a request to WQ:USURP. Cheers, --Aphaia 21:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Aphaia. Yes, I can post a request -- I was hoping there was a way to do it globally, since at least two vandals/trolls have registered my username on at least six different Wikimedia projects, and I wasn't sure if I had to ask individually at each one. This should be one of the easier ones, since the the account is blocked but it has no contributions; I wonder if something may have been deleted (I suspect the same troll about whom I commented on the noticeboard, who has been harassing me for more than four years). Thanks! Antandrus1 21:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello -- could you perhaps unblock me and block the account "GETANTANDRUS" that just vandalized this page? Please look in the history -- thanks. Antandrus (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Done, clearly made in error. I've also blocked the account that was vandalizing (no need to allow these to return in future). Regards, Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 14:45, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks -- appreciate it. Antandrus (talk) 14:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Threat of outing

Perhaps I'm missing significant context here, but this edit appears to be a threat of outing. Are you able to clarify your comment? TheDragonFire (talk) 05:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

He's been harassing me -- and dozens of others on Wikimedia projects -- since 2005. I know who he is, and he's spent much of the last three years in jail, for stalking, harassment, electronic harassment, threats of harm, and threatening public officials. Now he's out of jail again, and I'm trying to let him know that his campaign of harassment is going to get him landed back in jail if he doesn't stop.

I'm an administrator on English Wikipedia, and one of the people who keeps track of his many hundreds of sockpuppets. I help clean up his cross-wiki damage. I currently have his IP ranges blocked on Wikipedia, and Ningauble has some of them blocked here.

So to clarify -- there's no "threat" of outing. Any outing will be between one of us and the police in the city where he was most recently jailed. Antandrus (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

" I wonder if refugees from Wikipedia.. are starting to appear at other Wikimedia projects"

Hi Antandrus/Archive 1,

To answer your question: yes. I am a refugee from 3 separate wmf-wikis, including enwiki. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ottawahitech -- yes, and I understand how that happens. Enwiki can be a challenging place, especially now. Back when I started editing in late 2003 (anon) and 2004 (account) it was free, open, welcoming, friendly. I remember the feeling I got when I first discovered the other projects, like WQ, back around 2010 when I wrote that comment -- wow, this reminds me of the youthful Wikipedia!

I'm probably going to start ignoring that mentally ill person and let someone else fix his damage. It's utterly thankless work cleaning up after him. See that rant on your talk page? Those are all things he does, but he accuses other people of doing them. Spend too much time reverting and removing, and people start to think you are the problem. Cheers -- Antandrus (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

(trying the new reply tool)

One thing I really like about WQ is the ability to exchange information openly with wiki-oldtimers. No one polices me here, as happens quite frequently on other wmf-wikis.

It is interesting to hear that "editing in late 2003...it was free, open, welcoming, friendly". When I joined enwiki in 2007, I felt it was anything but. I had such a hard time figuring out what to do and who to listen to, and almost completely gave up on editing enwiki. At the time I had other outlets for contributing publicly and the inability to participate at wiki was not a problem for me. I was only pushed here when problems surfaced on my other outlet.

Isn't this normally how people happen to shift their destinies, move to other cities, countries, etc. I hope I am making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are making perfect sense :) I understand exactly.

When I first came to Wikipedia I noticed that large areas were entirely missing. A sea of red links! I have a doctorate in music, so started beavering away, writing articles on music before 1600 (mainly) where I had some expertise. It was fun, no one told me to stop, no one demanded citations for obvious facts (there wasn't even a footnoting tool then). That has changed, of course; writing on enwiki now you are always walking the knife-edge between original research on one side and too-close-paraphrase on the other. Is it even possible to write anything without falling off that razorback ridge? I don't write much any more because it has ceased to be fun; now I write elsewhere, i.e. places where "original research" is not a sin but a virtue. Yet I like the WMF projects and still want to contribute, so I'm looking around. Fighting vandalism is becoming boring, so time for something else.

Question for you on WQ: I was looking around last night at the articles here on composers, and the things they have said, and things others have said about them. One thing that wasn't obvious to me was -- where do you put a quotation about an individual piece? Do I need to start a new article? For example, I wanted to add Henry Miller's evocative comment on Scriabin, about the Poem of Ecstasy ("a bath of ice, cocaine, and rainbows... divinely fouled up ... that far-off cosmic itch...") Can we add those to the composer article, under "quotes about Scriabin"? Anyway there's lots of stuff to add like that. :) Antandrus (talk) 17:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if I want to continue conversing with you (just kidding). My notifications have been lighting up at an alarming rate, mainly notifying me of "your friends" posting to my usertalk, but more annoyingly of do-gooders who insist on removing those postings even though I have asked repeatedly to give me the option of deciding what to keep and what to remove from my own page.

One thing I (re)discovered after being kicked off enwiki was The 4 pledges, which IIRC I forgot about at the tailend of my enwiki-term. Not so much as far as my own behavior (I am direct but never intentionally rude to others including "enemies"), but in terms of expecting others to treat me this way. On a side-note: did you know that one wmf-wiki deliberately does not practice in AGF?

A question about music? How did you know to hit me with the one of two areas I have always tried to stay away from at enwiki? One of my biggest "foes" on enwiki was a music contributor. I swear this wikipedian DID NOT LIKE me. I tried everything under the sun to appease them but nothing helped. They were steadfastly convinced I was up to no good, no matter what. The second area I deliberately stayed off of at enwiki was math, where one admin made it clear I was not welcome.

This was unfortunate, because math and music are areas I would have wanted to learn more about. But thems the breaks...

Anyway, back to your question: I assume that Scriabin is a composer who already has an article on enWQ and that Miller is a ''notable'' individaul who made an interesting comment about Scriabin? If so, this is a piece of cake if you have the exact quote with the approximate date it was made supported by a reliable source. I think? AND YES! WQ is still fun IMIO. Ottawahitech (talk) Ottawahitech (talk) 04:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ottawa - I think I will do that. Lots of quotes to add like that one. Will probably wait just a bit until my stalker has moved on, otherwise he'll just revert whatever I add with more lurid all-caps threats, accusations, and libelous fictions pulled from the depths of his mental illness. I wish that guy would get help. - Tempted to ask who the "foe" was but I probably shouldn't. I know all the "classical" music folks pretty well on enwiki; they're mostly collegial, ... mostly. Lol. Mostly. Antandrus (talk) 17:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. Just tried out that 'reply' thing for the first time ever - does it give you a notification?

I can sympathize. I went through a few years of what felt like harassment at enwiki by a non-IP editor (don't even remember who it was, or what articles they interfered with). According to their contribution page, this user was only interested in low-traffic articles that I contributed to. Many of my edits were reverted, and no one objected, and when I tried to revert this reverter, editors who materialized on talk-pages all supported this user. This user brought many of the articles I started to the various deletion courts, and no one would listen to me when I tried to explain I was being picked on. All those articles ended inthe wiki trashcan after lackluster participation by deletion-court-self-selected-juries. I even tried to explain my dilemma on the talkpage of an admin whom I held in respect who had a lot af friendly page stalkers. Some page-stalkers took interest, but no one there seemed to see what I was seeing. Years after I was dismissed at enwiki, I saw that the "harassing" editor was blocked, but at that point I had lost interest and still don't know why or who blocked that user. Cheers Ottawahitech (talk) 18:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

To answer your question in small print: No no notification. More on the topic later. Ottawahitech (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I got a notification that my mention was sent here Ottawahitech (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I came here yesterday to look for the rose-colored glasses-link which I could not find elsewhere but remembered vaguely leaving on this thread. I wanted to consult the 4-pledges before composing an edit elsewhere. So today I thought of it again and decided to come here to thank you, not only for this but, also for the other contributions you have been making at WQ, such as helping get discussion going at the VP. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 12:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - always happy to help. I have been wanting to expand WQ in some areas, i.e. add quotes from my areas of expertise. (I have a stalker who reverts everything I do, so kind of need someone to watch my back. Mostly I'm waiting a bit for him to get bored and go away.) Watching recent changes for a few months now, I'm starting to see the POV issues; we seem to be an easy target for propaganda-pushing, for one thing. It's trickier pushing back against that than on enwiki, because here you can push a POV just using verifiable quotations from people who are verifiably famous. Not sure what to do about it. What do you do when someone adds the same long, extremist opinion-piece quote to multiple topics? Antandrus (talk) 20:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Re: What do you do when someone adds the same long, extremist opinion-piece quote to multiple topics?

"Uncoincidentally" I was also pondering the same topic, but... Are you sure you want to see my opinion? I don’t know if you have heard, but I am a far-right inclusionist?

You have mentioned watching recent changes, something I have only recently discovered. I find it an enormous time sink. Have you ever considered turning it off and adding content instead?

<evangelizing>IMIO WQ is a great place for participants who like being on the second floor of building an online resource. There are already a lot of content pages here, but there are also enough red-links for those who want to start new quote-pages (articles). For others with different types of skills there’s demand for whatever one wants to contribute. Then there s definitely a need for those who like to organize things better, be it content or poeple. Nothing is set in stone yet. I find this environment exciting. </evangelizing>

In regards to your stalker, I was recently looking for something I wrote on one of the three wikis where I am blocked+, and as usual I could not find it but ran into another usertalk where I left a post and did not receive a reply at the time. Anyway before this becomes too TLDRish (not too late I hope?), this poor admin was also subjected to pretty horrific abuse by vandals/trolls/etc. SO rest assured, you are in good company.

+ Looking for a neologism - you must be good at it Ottawahitech (talk) 17:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

" ... ah, the irony, that the theme page 'deception' would be created by sockpuppets, but there you have it"

Actually, the page was (technically) created by one of the WQ admins. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy Anniversary

I know I am late, but I always forget my own anniversaries, so there. Good that our friend Gerda remembered (she always does). Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 02:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! - and oh yes, she has a good memory. :) Antandrus (talk) 02:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Technical question

Hi Antandrus/Archive 1

Every once in awhile I am stumped by somethIng that i cannot figure out, and have yet to find anyone who is available, williing and able to help. Unfortunately it appears that many wmf-contributors are loath to converse with wmf-dalits such as myself. Anyway, I thought I would give it a try on your talk with the hope that either you or someone else who looks at your page may have the answer. Here's my question: The contributor who initiated Talk:Religion#Anti-religious? in 2003 is listed as User:Ed Poor. I am always fascinated by wmf-oldtimers and tried to check what other edits this user made, but it appears from ther contribution page that they made only 2 edits on WQ, none in 2003. Any idea how this happened? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I laughed out loud at "wmf-dalit". That's an eerily precise metaphor. And in general people are far too unkind, in spite of all our policies advising otherwise.

It looks like Ed (Uncle Ed, or Ed Poor -- someone I remember from long ago, and who, if I remember correctly, went on to be an admin at "Conservapedia" -- made those edits logged out as an IP (208.246.35.240) and then added his user signature in a follow-up edit from that same IP. In 2003 there was no unified login between the different projects, so if he was not on enwiki he probably just edited through his IP. The link I gave to the global contribs shows you all the edits he made under that IP, on all projects (and it may well have been assigned to a different provider then). Hope that helps -- be well :) Antandrus (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Advice?

I need some advice, again. I hope you don't mind me picking your brains?

Problem: When one is a dalit, one's good intentions tend to backfire. I never know if I should try to help editors in trouble.

Summary: Last week I was doing a bit of editing at WD where I happened to see that a user whom I recently "met", who has been very active here making WQ:shesaid-campaign contributions, was blocked and was appealing to have the block lifted. As it turned out the user made several contributions on WD for which they (I think the user is a she from the name on the WQ userpage) were blocked.

The block was initiated on August 28, 2021, but it appears that the user did not appeal it until Dec 5, 2021. Makes sense for a newbie with a burst of contributions over the summer, who takes a break to build up wiki-skills before joinng the WQ campaign. I was dismayed to see that the user request to be unblocked seemed to be stuck, so on December 11, 2021, I posted a note on the blocking admin's talk explaining that I believed the user edited in good faith. However, it seems like the WD admins are not budging, and are putting the good faith newbie editor through the wringer.

Previous personal experience has taught me not to advocate too forcefully for others, since it only re-reinforces the conviction of those on the other side. However, I believe the potential loss of this new contributor is bad for the movement. Do you have any advice? Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are making sense. :) Best way forward is for her to promise to abide by the WD notability criteria. If there are deleted edits on WD I can't assess them myself, but it's common for new editors to bang away in good faith on topics that may not seem notable to others (or be notable by the policies on individual WMF projects). She should just answer the admin's questions, and promise to look for sources on future topics.

Personally I think we should be extra careful with people like this -- women editors from Nigeria, or elsewhere in parts of the world "under-represented" on Wikipedia and its brethren -- there's just so much stuff that won't get written by anyone else. But that's just my feeling. That block does not look like a hard case, and advocating for her seems reasonable to me. Antandrus (talk) 00:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk page

thanks to you and Tegel for helping in the reverts. What a loser that IP-hopper is and I never thought I'd get hit as well. --Eaglestorm (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome - I just wish he'd leave. He's been harassing us for, not making this up, sixteen years. He makes colorful threats of the "I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE" variety, even though he spent three years in jail in Chicago for exactly that kind of behavior. Not sure what to do at this point other than continue removing his rubbish. Antandrus (talk) 15:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Why have you (or anybody at all) not contacted the proper authorities against this LTA? DawgDeputy (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

That would be the Chicago police. I started writing a paragraph here, but then decided it would be bad to let him know too much, since he reads everything I write (he's a stalker). He's psychotic and severely disabled for that reason. Shoot me an email if you would like details. Antandrus (talk) 05:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Music question

Hi Antandrus/Archive 1, I Wonder if "coloratura" is a music term. I found it in the introduction to Beverly Sills. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ottawa! - yes, it refers to a type of soprano voice, sometimes lighter and higher but also one that can do tricky virtuoso stuff. :) Antandrus (talk) 05:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Another music question, please:

I have been doing some categorization work and am confused about the term singer-songwriter. Is it merely an intersection between the group of all singers with the group of all songwriters, or something else? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

As far as I understand it -- my area of expertise being 'unpopular' music, rather than popular music -- you're exactly right. It's the intersection of the group of all singers with the group of all (popular music) songwriters. Not all singers write songs, not all songwriters are singers. (Same way as this: I am a pianist-composer, and therefore member of the set of all pianists and the set of all composers.) Antandrus (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

If I may, WP defines singer-songwriter as "a musician who writes, composes, and performs their own musical material, including lyrics and melodies." So I believe you are both correct in your assumptions - that not all singers write songs and not all songwriters sing - so this category is for those that do sing and write their own songs. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

The picture is getting even murkier or me. I checked w:List of singer-songwriters which has this info:

This is a list of singer-songwriters who write, compose, and perform their own musical material. The list is divided into two sections to differentiate between artists categorized as singer-songwriters and others who do not fall under the definition associated with the genre:

• Traditional singer-songwriters
• Others who both write songs and sing

question to Antandrus: should we move this discussion elsewhere so as not to clutter your user-talk-page? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm easy-going, converse here if you want :) But it certainly could go on a discussion page. (Looking at that list -- I see the discussion of what goes in each category goes back to at least 2004. I don't think it's a particularly clean distinction, and you're inevitably going to have names that don't fit cleanly into one or the other section.) Antandrus (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Re: Reality So sorry! My mistake

My bad. Ouch! So sorry! Alphabravo2022 (talk) 15:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet on enwp?

Have you seen this: w:User:A poor son of Adam? (I sincerely hope no Steward/WQ-admin will assume I am in contravention of proxy-editing because I am bringing this to your attention). Ottawahitech (talk) 11:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Is that related to a case here? I don't recognize either the user or the interest profile. Antandrus (talk) 15:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Pope Benedict XVI

Why did you undo the edit on Pope Benedict XVI, it seemed constructive? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

This IP user is GRP's sock per edit history of that page... PAVLOV (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

(ec) Hi User:Ilovemydoodle -- that's a user banned by the Wikimedia Foundation and he may not edit on any project. Non-banned people can restore his edits if they want (you will almost invariably find problems with them though -- be cautious -- he has an obsession with dates and over-precision, and often his edits are just inappropriate, when they are not outright wrong). Antandrus (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I'll restore it, as it seems useful. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Removal of talkpage comments, allowed or not? what is the policy?

You say that "(banned users may not edit)", but isn't there also a talkpage policy somewhere that says that comments should not be removed from wiki talk pages? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Not that I know of -- if you start to allow talk page comments by banned users, then what is the point of a ban? When you ban someone, it is to remove them from the project permanently. In this particular case you do not want that person leaving his comments, as they invariably lead, through obfuscated links, to harassment, threats, outing, spam, hoaxes, and so forth -- the reason he is banned by the Foundation. w:WP:BANREVERT on enwiki. (If there is a separate policy here I am yet to find it.) Antandrus (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

re: "Not that I know of" I'll take your word for it, but do you think it is wise to allow anyone to remove talkpage comments? This happened to me a few times, and on at least one occasion it was accompanied by a colorful comment. I was pretty unsettled when that happened, and even more so after I tried unsuccessfully to undo the insulting edit. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

You're not banned. :) Generally, you should be immune from comment-removal. That shouldn't happen to a good faith user making a good faith comment.

If you reply to a banned user, several things might happen. If the banned user started the thread, the whole thread might get removed. Or because you answered, it might remain. (I often leave banned-user comments if someone has replied to them in good faith -- kind of depends on whether the initial comment was abusive or harmful in some way.)

If you give me a specific example I'll let you know what I think, and anyway I'm not always right, so it's just what I think. Antandrus (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

This particular incidence happened in my pre-dalit days at a wiki project talkpage, shortly after my first block/deblock. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

BTW I am not unique, I have seen this happen to others too Ottawahitech (talk) 00:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I just use the ds Template on their comment(s), or if their globally blocked I use the qs Template. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 23:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

GRP

Why is GRP obsessed with you? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I wish I understood mental illness, but I do not. I do not think there is a strictly rational answer to this question, but of course I have wondered the same thing, and theorized at length, for more than 15 years.

I think it is because I am the most persistent of the admins (on English Wikipedia) to remove his sputter, fantasies, spam, and invented nonsense, and I've gotten really good at recognizing him. Also (after he started sending me threats of violence) I figured out who he was, where he lived, and I learned his history. It's nasty. He's been arrested at least six times since 2015 and spent almost three years in jail. He got off "not guilty by reason insanity". I've discussed what to do next with a lot of people, including w:Jimmy Wales himself.

GRP has a severe and disabling psychiatric disorder, probably w:Dissociative identity disorder. He thinks he is multiple people. They have names and "personalities". But they all write exactly the same way: comically ungrammatical, non-native English. I also suspect that he reserves his fiercest hate for people who try to help him, but then realize that is impossible for anyone but a medical professional, and back away. I tried to be kind. Now I just want him to leave us alone, and get help. He hates me, but I do not hate him, even though this is the first time in my life I have had a dedicated stalker. Antandrus (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Why hasn’t he been cut off from internet access? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Good question. His family takes care of him (he cannot work). I think it's pretty hard to cut someone off from internet access, even if they are insane.

Another possible reason for his overreaction -- he gets so angry you can see his hands shaking in his typing -- it's real rage. Psychotic rage. I think it makes him even madder that it doesn't get to me. I make light of it, and it amuses me more than anything else, having someone call me a BLOODY CARREER STALKER (variously spelled, occasionally correctly). Antandrus (talk) 23:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, shouldn't you use [[w:Page|Page]] instead of [[w:Page]]? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

You can. I like having the w: visible so you know you are clicking through to Wikipedia and leaving Wikiquote. In an article I wouldn't do that though; just a talk page courtesy. Antandrus (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I never thought of that I've seen several times on articles (and corrected it every time), good to know. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I know that we are building a resource for readers, not Users, but...

Being beamed into enwp without noticing it happened, is a real downer for me. I work very hard at never becoming an unwitting sock, because socks are the wmf-equivalent of realworld-pedofiles. I frequently find myself trying to change a category and realizing I am no longer at WQ where I am (still?) allowed to “edit”. I wish there was an easy way to distinguish a wq-link from a wp-link before clicking. Hope I am making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you are making sense. :) Maybe it's a naive question, but have you asked for an unblock? (I have not investigated the history, and have no idea why you are blocked. You do good work here and seem trustworthy to me.) Regarding the links -- yes, I've noticed that same thing: click-click and suddenly I'm on enwiki and wondering how I got there.

Appreciate your work on those categories, by the way -- interesting how we all have our preferred areas of work, or even drudgery. I rather enjoy swatting vandals and trolls, others populate categories. One of these days I'll get around to adding more quotes again. Antandrus (talk) 15:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Just a short partial reply , for now: I prefer to use my allotted time contributing content, not fighting the bureaucracy. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Anyway you may have found your "sweet spot" with WQ. The project benefits from your additions. Antandrus (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you kindly @Antandrus/Archive 1. Your words mean a lot to me. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit section template (Crosspost from the Village pump)

On Wikipedia there is a template called {{Edit section}} (which I needed for a template I was making, so I copied it over and it doesn't work. So I tested it on Wikipedia and works just fine. Do you have any idea on why this is happening and how to fix it?

Edit: It appears that the section attribute in the url when editing behaves differently on Wikiquote then on Wikipedia, on Wikipedia it can be a number or a section name, while on Wikiquote it can only be an number, why is this and how do I make it behave like Wikipedia? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Short answer is - I don't know; I rarely work on templates. @User:Ottawahitech, do you know the answer to this? Or which Wikiquotien might know? :) Antandrus (talk) 23:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure offhand who works on templates at WQ. User:DannyS712 probably knows the answer (not sure they would appreciate me advertizing their services though :-). Maybe User:Koavf or User:Ningauble? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

It's not obvious to me why this doesn't work at the moment. @Ilovemydoodle: can you explain more of what it would look like or how it would function? I may be able to hack something together. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

On wikipedia a url like this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Page&action=edit&section=Section, would bring you to the editing page for the section "Section", but on Wikiquote it would bring you to section=0 – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 02:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Permission to run formatting regular expressions on all pages (Crosspost from the Village Pump)

I am requesting permission to create a bot that runs formatting regular expressions on all pages. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

BOTs can do tremendous damage in a very short time (but can also do lots of good). Giving someone the permission to run a BOT is not something to be taken lightly. Have patience, and you will be rewarded. Just my $.02 Ottawahitech (talk) 06:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

What do I do to apply properly? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 08:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Rugrats

Done and all the 107.77.192... IPs he's been editing Rugrats on shouldn't be coming back to that page for a little while either. --Ferien (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. Appreciate your help, as always. Antandrus (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

And here is his plan to evade the protection. Antandrus (talk) 18:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

GRP

Why does GRP call you a "suspended supervandal?" – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

lol - I hadn't seen that one before but it made me laugh. See w:psychological projection. Most of the insults he invents for other people apply to himself; if he vandalizes, he will call other people vandals; if he harasses and stalks (activities that got him almost three years in jail) he calls other people "harassers" and "stalkers". He even accuses competent writers of grammatical errors and being "ESL students", when he himself was once an ESL student, and to this day has such poor grammar skills that he rarely makes even a simple edit without leaving a mistake or two. Oh, and he is both "suspended" (i.e. banned by the Foundation) and a massively disruptive vandal, so -- "suspended supervandal". Antandrus (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Why hasn’t his internet access been cut off. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that's hard to do, even for someone released "not guilty by reason insanity" - internet is so essential for modern life, and everyone has a smart phone now, it seems. Eventually he will be institutionalized, and that may be when this problem finally goes away. Antandrus (talk) 18:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Could you explain more about him? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to say too much in a public place because of the WMF privacy policy. In general: he is in his 40s, and has a severe and disabling mental disorder. Someone takes care of him since he is unable to work or live anything like a normal life. He has some kind of compulsion to harass and stalk that I do not understand. If he lived in some other country with a more robust mental health care system, he'd probably be living in a group setting -- and wouldn't have internet. I would recommend others to stay away from him. Given his long history of stalking, harassment, and threats; his arrest record; and his obsession with blood sports, violence, conspiracy, and mysterious deaths: do not let him know anything about you. Antandrus (talk) 19:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@User:Ilovemydoodle - you are correct on your WQ:VIP posts - both 154 and "Antrepelant" are GRP (close to certainty). I added the latter to SRG (a better place to have a sock shut down, because this guy always is disruptive on multiple projects). Antandrus (talk) 23:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 23:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@User:Ilovemydoodle - Quick note regarding this - the reason it's a bad idea to use the year is that it is already stated just prior, making it redundant. "...in the 2005 papal conclave that followed the death of Pope John Paul II on 2 April" is just more concise and elegant: the "2005 papal conclave" phrase already gives you the date, so "2 April" should suffice. What other year could it be? Ljupco, or "GRP", simply does not understand how to construct elegant prose. He's not a native speaker of English, and he's crazy, to put it mildly. We usually revert all of his edits, as it's not worth it to pick through and find the one in fifty or a hundred that might be worth keeping. Antandrus (talk) 04:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Dm vs md

"April 2" makes more sense if don’t include the year, right? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

w:WP:MOS:DATEFORMAT. Using md there would mix styles. The dm/dmy format is the standard in most of the world other than the US (I'm guessing you are also in the US - but don't really know of course). Antandrus (talk) 04:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I am in the US, are you? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Antandrus (talk) 04:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Which state? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

California. Near the ocean. Fog is rolling in right now. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know why but I had a feeling you lived in California. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

GRP email

I found GRP’s main email. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

He has lots of those, mostly named after the various people he pretends to be. Be careful about contacting him; I would recommend not doing so, not ever. You do not want him learning any personal information about you, because his harassment and stalking are not confined to WMF projects. He was banned from multiple college campuses in the Chicago area, and spent almost three years in jail for threatening the life of a judge. Antandrus (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I already did. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Unblocking guide

Do you could make a simple to getting IP unblocked on enwp (five years, no TP, already have three declined requests). – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 21:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I have not investigated why you are blocked on enwiki -- but to be unblocked, you have to 1) acknowledge what you were doing wrong that got you blocked before, 2) promise not to do it again, 3) (this is my advice, not policy, just a suggestion) -- explain what you are going to work on next, and how that would be beneficial. (I am guessing you are young, right? People change as they get older. Say that.) If it doesn't work just stay on projects where you are doing good.

Unrelated, but I need to say it again. GRP may be dangerous, and not just in a hypothetical way. A 44-year-old psychotic with a long arrest and jail record, who every day insults new people in hostile and vicious ways, is nothing to mess around with. I'm serious. Be careful. Do not let him know your name or where you live. Antandrus (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Antandrus

@Antandrus:

Here’s my block information: w:Special:contribs/2603:7080:da3c:7a33::/64. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 09:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi there - are you wanting to be unblocked on enwiki? If so, you need to make an unblock request there - see my suggestion just above. Antandrus (talk) 22:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Blocked from Talk Page. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 22:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see that - your only recourse is using this method. Antandrus (talk) 23:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Antandrus:

I have already used it and got rejected, I am wondering if you could go to Wikipedia and request an unblock mentioning my contributions to Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 23:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Patience, grasshopper, patience. If you've been blocked from one WMF project for being disruptive -- or whatever it was -- to the point your talk page access has been blocked, and a UTRS appeal has failed, trying to get another enwiki admin to bat for you is the wrong approach. You have to be direct. Front door only. See w:WP:OFFER. Wait six months from the initial block, and promise not to be disruptive. "I've learned, I won't do that again. Sorry for the bother the first time. I want to do good work here. See my work on [WQ, or wherever you have been active] as an example of how I will behave here in the future." More or less.

This is spiritual journey stuff. Most people have a lot of respect for those who have the humility to acknowledge their past bad behavior and promise to move past it. I know banned editors who have reformed and joined the community as good members, and they did so by following this path. It's doable, but requires -- patience, humility, maturity. I wish you all the best. :) Antandrus (talk) 01:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do that, but I don't think I did particularly disruptive (at most a one week block?). – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

For context, the UTRS request was submitted and rejected two months ago. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 03:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

GRP email

Here's an email I got from GRP: [1] – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 08:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Very confused

Originally I just ignored all of GRP’s claims for obvious reasons, but after trying to get a page removed that GRP added on a certain place, I found someone who is definitely not GRP claiming that you and GRP are the same person, could you give me more information on this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 13:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea, and no interest in what trolls think. They are trying to confuse you and probably laughing about it right now. IGNORE THEM. Antandrus (talk) 15:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Y Done – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, for context, this is what I'm referring to. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:41, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, "MarioMario456" has an account here too, available here. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Interesting

Found GRP on a review site, here. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ilovemydoodle, I would report him if possible but otherwise just ignore him. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Y Done Reported. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Correct, that's him. Antandrus (talk) 00:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Archive available here. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)