User talk:Ningauble/Archive 2

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This is an archive of past discussions on User talk:Ningauble from Jan–Jun 2009.
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Christopher Walken edit

Hey, I see you had initially added the prod tag to this page when it was in pretty poor shape. I did a bit of research, cleaned up the page, removed all the unsourced and poorly sourced quotes, and added a bunch of sourced quotes and formatted it. After all that, I removed the PROD tag. Hope that's alright with you. Cheers and Happy New Year! Cirt (talk) 04:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More than alright: You have been doing a great service rescuing failed articles and bringing them up to standards. Thanks! ~ Ningauble 13:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries. Cirt (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Haha, awesome edit

Thanks for jumping on {{vfd-kept-new}}. :) EVula // talk // // 16:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I thought you might like that : ) Ningauble 17:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question answered edit

Hello, I just want to let you know I've answered your question on my RfA page. Thanks. — RyanCross (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I replied to you reply. Sorry about preaching, it's a hard habit to break. I only mean to help: you are already doing good work. ~ Ningauble 00:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, it's no problem at all. Anything to help. Thank you for your kind comments. — RyanCross (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Order of the Stick edit

Just a quick question - and don't mistake me, I am obviously for the trimming efforts (as shown by my work on a lot of film and TV pages). Where did you arrive at the figure of 12 quotes for this work? I don't recall that we had actually discussed comics in the various copyright limit discussions (maybe I missed it). At first glance, your cuts seem a bit extreme, but I could be wrong. ~ UDScott 17:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Entirely arbitrary: I just picked 2% of the number of strips as a reasonable approximation, although it is clearly less than the "1.25% of the work" that we are using for print media. I thought the previous trim by Peter cohen went too far, but was closer to the mark than the subsequent re-add by I also disagree somewhat with the latter's comment: I think we should select for inclusion, rather than the other way around.
My edit summary was not intended to set a limit, but to characterize what I did. Considering the amount of text in each full-page strip, I would not have a problem if the article were twice as long. Feel free to add some back. ~ Ningauble 18:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks - I was just curious and was thinking of other pages we have for such works. Maybe we should add a category to Wikiquote:Limits on quotations and have some discussion on the appropriate number of quotes. ~ UDScott 18:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 edit

Make sure that page stays online so I can get back to editing that page over and over and make that page a better page.( 18:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

PROD various mnemonics pages edit

Normally, articles that have been voted on previously ought to be re-nominated for a vote rather than prod, but I'm not complaining: Pages full of things that are both unsourced and trivial just attract made up stuff. If anyone does object, just put them to a vote. I am pretty sure the consensus of current community sentiment would be to delete them. ~ Ningauble 01:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the advice. You're citing a rule (convention, policy, whatever) that I wasn't aware of, though I did remember there had been a narrowly unsuccessful attempt to get a vote for the deletion of the mnemonics pages. I agree that the best thing would be to let the prod procedure take its course now, vfd-ing any contested ones. I'll think about putting vfds on all the unsourced tongue-twister pages as well, whenever I have an hour to spare. --Antiquary 18:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The policy statement is at WQ:PROD#How it works. The principle is that {{prod}} is only for uncontroversial deletions where nobody would object, and if it survived a vote then somebody must have objected at the time. Times change... ~ Ningauble 19:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jim Gaffigan edit

Hey, back in November you had tagged the talk page of this article with {{checkcopyright}}. Since, then, UDScott (talk · contributions) prodded the page for deletion, and subsequently I have cleaned it up and removed the prod tag. Just double checking with you - is it okay to remove the {{checkcopyright}} tag from the talk page now? Cirt (talk) 10:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At the time, the article was 30kb of unsourced excepts from comedy routines, some quite lengthy. No problem now. Thanks. ~ Ningauble 13:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, thank you! Cirt (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Talk page edit

I think you meant to add this to the talk page, not user page, so I've moved the text there for you and deleted the user page. Don't worry, even I've done that before. :-) — RyanCross (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oops. Thanks for catching it. ~ Ningauble 15:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem. — RyanCross (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: Yu-gi-oh: The Abridged Series edit

Ah, I see it is a non-notable parody series. I have prodded it. Cirt (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

However, I agree with you that as it does exist, it is not vandalism and you are correct to have declined the speedy, that's okay. Cirt (talk) 18:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have deleted this article on the grounds that it has been a repeatedly created and deleted page that is on the list of titles protected against re-creation. It had been previously deleted on VfD as a YouTube series that had failed to become notable. Although Yu-Gi-Oh! has an WP article, the Abridged Series takeoff has been rejected there. Because of variations in capitalization, hyphenation and punctuation, this title has been re-created here numerous times despite protection. - InvisibleSun 23:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I had checked for prior deletion, but missed the variations. I was not aware of the salted article list, but now that I know it is there I will be using it to check suspicious cases. Thanks. ~ Ningauble 23:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree with this analysis by InvisibleSun (talk · contributions), thanks. Cirt (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Super Mario Bros. edit

Why did you delete the Super Mario Bros. quote page?! There was nothing wrong with it, and as far as I'm concerned, you had no good reason to take it down! --

He deleted it because I prodded it for deletion, and after seven days, nobody disagreed with it. The quotes were entirely unremarkable, and outside of Wikiquote's purpose. EVula // talk // // 22:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also this discussion when it was previously deleted. ~ Ningauble 22:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Rescuers edit

What is the point of the default sort? It seems stupid! Please reply here. Thank you. 20:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfB thankspam! edit

Just wanted to drop you a line to thank you for your support of my RfB, which just closed with unanimous support. :) EVula // talk // // 19:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Note From Mother Nature edit

Thank you, Ningauble, for your helpful explanation. I wasn't surprised my quote was removed from the Wikiquote page on bisexuality. [essay on sexuality removed by Ningauble] These things are self-evident, but they need to be put into words. --Sophia76esperanto 23:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All of this is irrelevant to what Wikiquote is. Wikiquote is not a venue for posting your personal essays, neither in articles nor discussion pages. ~ Ningauble 13:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How does one quote Mother Nature for Wikiquotes?
Perhaps I should apologize for overstepping the limits and just remain silent. But you were the person who deleted what I wrote. [Off-topic observations removed by Ningauble] --Sophia76esperanto 22:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Again, please do not post your opinions about non-Wikiquote related topics on my talk page. Thank you. ~ Ningauble 02:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why did you merge this page without notifying me or giving any explanation on any talk page or in any edit summary? Do you have any particular reason why I shouldn't unmerge it? Please reply on my talk page. Richard001 07:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In this case the page I started was fairly clearly incomplete, yet it was still too long for a merge. Imagine what would happen if every book of his had such a section. Now, maybe I misunderstand what Wikiquote is for, but why do you say "and to resist the temptation to create a condensed edition of a whole work."? What's wrong with doing that? It's exactly what I was trying to do (along with, ideally, some quotes from reviews etc about the book, though I'm doubtful if I'll add any myself). Unless the quotes added have to be widely quoted in independent sources, it seems enough that the book itself is notable. Perhaps you could point me to a guideline if this isn't the case. Richard001 06:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, regarding formatting, isn't adding a whole new line just to say which page the quote came from a bit excessive? If Wikiquote is really pedantic about that sort of thing I guess I'll have to format it this way, but it seems especially unnecessary in this case. Richard001 06:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't agree because you're misquoting the page. It says "We limit ourselves to quotations which are notable. A quotation can be notable either because it has achieved fame by itself, but more usually because it was said by someone notable, or appeared in a notable work." It doesn't say anywhere that the quotations themselves have to be notable. Richard001 07:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

epic of evolution edit

You tagged Epic of Evolution for clean up. Hopefully I got it done right (no, guess not). I was surprised that there was no Wikiquote for Edward O. Wilson so I started working on it. Stumbled on to an E.O.Wilson article. Everywhere I have seem, he goes by Edward O. Wilson. Is the best way to handle this is to copy the current E.O. page to a new Edward O. and redirect the E. O. to the new Edward O. page or can you change the current E.O. to Edward O.? —This unsigned comment is by Jlrobertson (talkcontribs) .

I did some cleanup on Epic of evolution and removed the tag. Wikipedia uses E. O. Wilson and we usually follow their lead on names, so I left the title as-is and created a redirect from Edward O. Wilson. ~ Ningauble 22:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

improvement suggestions?? edit

Hai Ningauble,

I contributed recently some groups of quotes I collected; as Bram van Velde Marsden Hartley en Franz Kline. And I improved the others groups of quotes: see User:Benfo-Dutch. Are there still any suggestions to improve them? Please give them. I like to know them, then I know better how to go on with the quotes of artists. I like the job. it is nice to see how they get a voice in words, together with their already made pictures. And how there are many connections between them. That is what I also like to express, how they are connected with each other. I see art as a living thing, it moves and grows and has its evolution. As many quotes tell themselves. kind regards, Benfo 11:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: Journalism edit

Thank you very much! That was most kind of you to stop by and say so, most appreciated. :) Cirt (talk) 01:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for fine work on Erich Hückel wikiquote edit

Hello Ningauble, thanks for nice improvement on Erich Hückel page. I'm currently quoting physicists on a daily basis on my Twitter profile and try to store them also on wikiquote. The sourcing of every quote depends on my available time. I shall try to keep it up as well as possible.--Arjen Dijksman 10:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All I did was add a couple categories. It was Kalki who made the substantial improvements, adding a detailed citation and an image. ~ Ningauble 14:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gandhi edit

Sorry, you were right to doubt such a major deletion by a new user! I've moved it to Talk:Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi to make it more noticeable that sourcing work is ongoing. Gordonofcartoon 17:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for understanding. I could have waited a while to see that you followed through, but it is one of the most frequently vandalized pages and I just acted by reflex. ~ Ningauble 18:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Questionable PROD edit

Hello, you recently PRODed this article, but I can't at all agree with it, as the text is indeed in English and you were the last one to edit the page, so it couldn't have been translated during the last week. Did you tag the wrong article, perhaps? — RyanCross (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I meant to do that. The introduction uses English, but there are no English language quotes. If you think that is a debatable call then go ahead and pull the PROD tag and I will take it to VfD for discussion. Thanks for checking—its good to know prods are not just being deleted without a second glance. ~ Ningauble 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, whoops, I guess I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out! — RyanCross (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: Misc template deletions edit

They could all be useful at some point in time, but I agree with you as to their utility at the moment. No objections to speedy deletion for all, without prejudice. Cirt (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good point. It was a proactive semi-protection (agree that full-move-protection is still warranted), but these do appear to be pages that new users should be able to edit. Might be something to reconsider on a temporary basis at least, if the vandalism gets much worse. Cirt (talk) 15:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alas, there is no liberty without abuse. If vandals force us to lock down so tightly that the community cannot grow, then they will have won. I have seen sites die out for just that reason. ~ Ningauble 15:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also a very good point. And why the AbuseFilter will help out in this area, without restricting access of positive contributors. Cirt (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion label Natural Vision Improvement edit

Ningauble, I don't understand why you want to delete this page. There is also a page called : Homeopathy [1]. Why has this page no problem ? The Homeopathy can also be read as promotional. Please explain. Seeyou 21:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

( Important note according to wikipedia are the Bates method and Natural Vision Improvement equal. ) Seeyou 21:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're joking, right? Homeopathy is in no way promotional, and features quotes by very famous people. Natural Vision Improvement contains only dry definitions and descriptions, and reads like promotional copy for the eponymous book. ~ Ningauble 16:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ningauble, You don't understand skeptic quotes are just as welcome. Currently it looks promotional, but this article is not finished. It just started. Rome is n't built in one day.
And about famousdog his comment on the talkpage. I will reply there. Seeyou 21:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FYI, just created a RFC in the wikipedia talkpage of the BM/NVI article. Feel free to join. Seeyou 22:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have commented on that RFC, recommending that it be closed without action. It is inappropriate to contest an action on Wikiquote through the procedures of Wikipedia. As I said before, "Wikiquote is not an appendix to Wikipedia." ~ Ningauble 13:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Negative Edits edit

Hello. I mean no disrespect, but could you ease up on the negative edits? Virtually all of your edits are directed toward removing significant content.

For example, in the homeopathy argument above, you seem to not know that homeopathy is a legitimate medical tradition, especially in Great Britain. It is used by the Royal family.

Cheers. And try to be positive.

--Cannibal1421 21:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not even remotely true that a majority of my edits are directed toward removing significant content. Please assume good faith—some subtractions are part of a positive effort.
I have not edited the Homeopathy article nor criticized the practice of homeopathy. Nor did I criticize the subject of the article discussed above, but only the quality of the quotes. ~ Ningauble 22:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

discussion of article "Shamanism" edit

I appreciate your comments on my "user page" for Wikiquote. Now, if this sort of material (which I included in "Shamanism") is not appropriate for Wikiquote, then perhaps it may be more appropriate for Wikibooks (or else possibly for Wikipedia itself). I have not as yet tried submitting it directly to either, as (in "usertalk" of articles written by me in Wikipedia) I received some chiding already from editors (of Wikipedia) for including even a very few direct quotations from books (they tell me to paraphrase rather than to quote); so I naturally thought that (by its title) Wikiquote would be the appropriate place to upload articles consisting almost entirely of quotations.0XQ 23:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above comment has been copied to User talk:0XQ where I replied, in order to keep the conversation together. ~ Ningauble 17:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I thank you for explaining on my "usertalk" page :

“ ... either display a notice to this effect at the site of original publication or send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org or a postal letter to the Wikimedia Foundation. These messages must explicitly permit use under the GFDL. ”
~ Ningauble 19:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I now have done both ("display a notice to this effect at the site" and "send an e-mail from an address associated .. to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org").0XQ 00:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bureaucracy edit

Whoops! I didn't notice the order by which the quotations were sorted. Thank you for putting that new entry in its proper spot!

Thanks. edit

Thanks, and thanks. BD2412 T 04:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help with talk page edit

Thanks for deleting my talk page, as I wasn't sure how to do it. I put up a message first but decided to question the culprit...someone called ToughHead 7 put an offensive message on my talk, and I have no idea why! Is there any way to resolve this or bar the user from my talk? My only recent edits have been tidy-ups so I can't imagine how I offended anyone! Thanks again Joncheetham88 19:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC) Actually I just checked the guy's page for a response and you blocked him, so don't worry! That had me wondering for a while. Cheers though! Joncheetham88 19:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry and Thanks, Ningauble edit

Hi. This is and Sorry for the inconvenience of my incorrect addition to Meat Loaf's quotes. It was my first contribution to a wiki page and I was a bit confused. Thanks also for you help with the new page about Alan Parsons. Yours. Bob.

No problem. Misattributing a work to a performer is an easy mistake to make—all the more with a performer who loses himself in his work. ~ Ningauble 12:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Categories edit

Thanks for cleaning up after me! :) I can't seem to ever manage to get the categories right. -Sketchmoose 19:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Heh. I am always poking the categories around toward how I like them, but will never finish because there is no one right way. ~ Ningauble 19:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, that's a bit of a relief anyway! My minimum goal is to at least remember defaultsort; no success so far. -Sketchmoose 21:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandal edit

Nice tag-teaming on that mess! Thanks. ~ UDScott 19:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meh. It took me a while to figure out howto and then, as you can see, I have a relatively slow connection. I will research using Special:AbuseFilter to prevent this from getting out of hand next time. ~ Ningauble 19:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you... edit

for "loved and lost." Shir-El too 21:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Luke Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker edit

Why those pages should be kept as redirects while Lenin gets to stay as a page?(Dennys 17:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Also those pages Luke and Anakin Skywalker are on the Requested pages list.(Dennys 17:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Because Lenin is an author page—about a real person. Luke Skywalker is a fictional character. See discussion at the Village Pump. ~ Ningauble 18:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Barbara Jordan and other quotations? edit

Hi Ningauble just wondering so Barbara Jordan does not get deleted where can i find sourced quotes? and i might want to start new pages also where can i find sourced quotes for people, games, etc? Thank you sorry for the rambling. --Gargos 19:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not sure where to find that one. I like to use GoogleBooks ([2])to find quotes, but if it was from a press interview that might be no help. I remember her well for her incisive astute television interviews. ~ Ningauble 20:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Electronic Games edit

Can you please create one? I need one to list all the electronic games and finally on that page will be a requested enteries page. Why List of TV shows gets to be here while List of Electronic Games is not created? Someone better create a list of Electronic Games list.(Dennys 17:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Also please respond to your talkpage and we got two vandals on the loose.(Dennys 17:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

We got a third vandal on the loose. Are you going to thank me for reverting the vandalism?(Dennys 17:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Hello there is one more Vandal IP on the loose whos vandalising his own talkpage.(Dennys 17:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Thanks for helping with the vandal cleanup. What a waste of time they are. ~ Ningauble 17:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I answered about requesting pages before, on your talk page. I am not interested in creating a special list for games. I like games, and I play strategy games a lot, but I like them for playing, not for quoting. I agree with the Wikiquote:Quotability#Video games policy about the words in video games. ~ Ningauble 14:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank You and a Question edit

Ningauble: thank you for your response to me (re: Thomas Mann quote) about a week ago on the Village Pump. In demonstration of the principle that good deeds generate their own punishment, I have some other questions (re: Winston Churchill) that I would like to run by you; however, I appreciate that you may be reluctant, for any number of reasons, to have me importuning you at this moment. If so, I will make efforts to deal with these questions in other ways. Please let me know (on my talk page) if you are willing to give me a bit of assistance. Thanks again - Archimedes (talk) 01:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ningauble: thanks for your reply. I've left a response for you on my talk page, so as not to leave clutter here. Archimedes (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ningauble: Check my talk page? I have some other questions re : Churchill. Thanks. Archimedes (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ningauble: I've provided some source info for a few of the Churchill quotes you flagged -perhaps you could take a quick look to check what I added. Cannot find any source for the quote added by the nameless IP address, FWIW ... Archimedes (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ningauble: I've identified another problematic quote on the Winston Churchill page : "Every morn brought forth a noble chance, and every chance brought forth a noble knight." While Churchill did in fact utter this line in a speech in the House of Commons on the date specified, he was in fact quoting a passage from Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur. If this is widely misattributed to Winston, I wonder if it might be worthwhile to move this quote to that section of the Churchill page? Or, should this fact be noted in another way? Also, should the recently added "out of money" line be removed, in your opinion? A final point: the quote, "Plans are of little importance, but planning is essential" may well be a saying that was common in the British military; it might make sense to move this quote out of the Sourced section while that is looked into. Archimedes (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I added an attribution note for "Every morn brought forth..." in the Winston Churchill article, and added the quote to the Alfred Tennyson article. I think "out of money" should be moved to the Unsourced section (and that section might better me moved to the talk page in accordance with current practice). For "plans are of little importance..." you could note for the time being that he may have been repeating an old military aphorism if you think that might be the case. ~ Ningauble 14:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ningauble: There are still numerous quotes in the Churchill Unsourced section which are valid, sourceable quotes; I have info on a number of them, haven't had time to make the proper entries yet. Others I have not yet checked. Point taken that quotes for which source info can't be found do not fit the standards here. I do think there is a certain value in identifying widely attributed quotes as unsourced, just as others are identified as misattributed; an example that comes to mind is the supposed Yogi Berra quote, “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” I've never seen any positive denial from him that he ever said this, nor have I seen a valid source. But either way, it is widely attributed to him. I have no doubt that numerous people would jump to add this quote if it were removed from the Wikiquote Yogi Berra page (FWIW, little or no "source" info over there ...). What is the thinking here on such cases? Archimedes (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think Yogi Berra is regarded as a special case because Yogiisms (my spellchecker says that should be "Yogisms" but I disagree) are so famously apocryphal, as disclaimed in the article's introduction. I don't even know if he really said "I didn't really say everything I said." (Still, it would be good to trace them to early attributions, lest people add newly made-up stuff.)
In general, discounting special cases like Category:Proverbs and the proverbial Yogi, Wikiquote is moving toward eliminating Unsourced sections, and instead using Attributed sections that cite attributions from credible and/or notable attributors. For popular attributions, that includes "serious" published compilations of quotations (as evidence of wide attribution) but not websites that do not cite their sources. ~ Ningauble 21:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ningauble: I agree Yogi is something of a special case; that's why I chose him as an example. Churchill was also, in his day, associated with many such quips & stories, and a number of them are on his Wikiquote page (and many are not; such as the telegrams he exchanged with George Bernard Shaw about attending the first performance of Pygmalion). One of the reasons I am interested in Wikiquote is the effort that is made here to identify sources; most other Internet sites are utterly worthless in this regard.
I've moved two quotes from the WW II section to Unsourced ( the "planning" quote, and the "out of money" quote). Speaking of which; considering how lax most other sites are in what material they will post, I regard the fact that I cannnot find that "out of money" quote on any other internet site (nor on a GoogleBooks search, or any published collection I know of, or anywhere else, FWIW), as evidence that the quote is suspect. But that's just me ...
I have to be away from home for a while, so I won't be here for a bit. FYI. Archimedes (talk) 19:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Starcraft and other Video Games edit

Is it okay to add people quotes to those pages? I follow this rule called no unit quotes allowed so I resorted to people quotes instead. Also thanks for being the Wikis watchdog.(Dennys 17:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

The real difference is not just whether they are units or people, but whether they are Quotable or not. Unit quotes are practically never quotable, people quotes are sometimes quotable. One way to tell if something is Quotable is to consider if someone might like the quote because it is interesting to think about, even if they never played the game and probably never will, like a grandmother or a teacher. (I have not played Starcraft since version 1.0 was new. I might dust off the disk and load it on my new computer for old-time's sake. I would probably never quote it to anybody's grandmother.) ~ Ningauble 20:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you have a game called Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Lightsaber Duels?(Dennys 17:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

No. I have never played any of the Star Wars games. The movies are much more quotable than the games. Practically everybody in western civilization has heard of "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." and " Use the Force, Luke" even if they never actually saw the movies. That is what makes them quotable: they are quoted a lot. (I took my grandmother to see the first Star wars movie. She didn't like it very much, but she totally got what "Use the Force, Luke" is all about.) ~ Ningauble 20:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are unit quotes listed here at Command & Conquer: Yuri's Revenge‎. Should we keep them or replace unit quotes with People Quotes? Also at the Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars I am only adding the people quotes and GDI Soldiers are considered people quotes not unit quotes.(Dennys 18:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Yuri's Revenge has been marked for cleanup a long time, but nobody has got around to it yet. If you want to go ahead and remove the excessive amount of un-quoteworthy stuff there, that would be good. (I occasionally play a couple of the C&C games with friends, but I doubt I would ever quote them to anybody. Alpha Centauri is more my speed, and I think it is more quotable, but that article needs some cleanup too.) Thanks. ~ Ningauble 20:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE:Tips edit

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Steve Ballmer quote edit

No, I don't know much about this. I was reading this newspaper article and found the quote interesting and surprising. I put it into "unsourced" if I recall correctly, in hope that someone will find a better reference. Too bad... Mhym 19:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blank Pages edit

Hi there. Can you please delete User talk:S@bre? There is nothing there except blank and if I edit that page the user will keep blanking my messages.(Dennys 20:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Not unless S@bre wants me to. You should probably leave him alone. ~ Ningauble 21:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Lightsaber Duels edit

That game is heavily requested here at Wikiquote:Requested entries so please don't delete it because we will try to add more notable quotes to it soon. (Dennys 18:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

I also sent you an email, please read it thank you very much.(Dennys 20:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

I fail to see a reason to have that article; it doesn't have anything worthwhile on it. EVula // talk // // 20:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its time to delete and then rewrite Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Lightsaber Duels. That page is requested heavily on the Requested Entries list and will be created in the future with more notable quotes.(Dennys 18:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Jaggi Vasudev page edit

Hi, Noticed your comments on the Jaggi Vasudev page that I created today. Well I will add references as soon as possible (oh my! never thought this soon I will get a warning!! :) )

Thanks! Thendral Muthusami 15:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have added the external links from where the quotes were taken. Can I go ahead and remove the deletion template?

Thendral Muthusami 07:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3, Transformers Animated and Starcraft edit

Well at least those three pages do not need to be trimmed. Are you sure we should trim those pages? I think not.(Dennys 18:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Both C&C:RA3 and Starcraft need trimming per WQ:LOQ, and are appropriately tagged to that effect on their talk pages. The Transformers Animated article is in more serious trouble, and may be deleted because it does not cite episodes for the quotes. ~ Ningauble 19:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks edit

I want to thank you and UDScott for maintaining the Bardock movie's correct title in regards to the vandalism that it recently met. I've been trying to maintain proper and orderly construct in terms of all the articles I've worked on heavily in the past. I'm just glad I've got support to revert vandalism when I may not be online. If the same vandalizer comes back (which he probably will as he's been vandalizing heavily in the past as well), I hope we will continue to maintain the articles in their proper format and titles. Thanks again. - Zarbon 03:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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