Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/February 28, 2014

Removed irrelevant images

Removed irrelevant images, per Wikiquote:Image use policy.

Instead, replaced with image of the author of the quote, itself.

Cheers,

-- Cirt (talk) 00:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

These images were all relevant to either the general assertions of the quote, or specific social activities of Spender himself, in ways that would be familiar to anyone actually familiar with some of the fundamental elements of his work and his life. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 01:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

How were they directly relevant? -- Cirt (talk) 03:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I indicated some of the ways they were significantly relevant below. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Reduced image sizes

Reduced image sizes, so as not to detract from the quote, itself.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 00:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Removed excessive wiki linking

Removed excessive wiki linking.

It detracts from the quote itself.

It also violates WQ:NPOV, based on the bias of the individual choosing which words to wikilink.

But again, it is quite excessive.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 00:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I have not responded to every instance of your recent nonsensical assertions, but as I have pointed out elsewhere when you have mades such claims, wikilinks are a standard and fundamental element of most wikis, and there is nothing controversial, excessive or against policy by their use on the QOTD layout. I believe that your assertions otherwise are either a rather incredible delusion or simply a very deliberate lie in an effort to confuse many matters. If there is any other assessment which can be made by a rational human being familiar with the facts, it is presently beyond my existing imagination. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

Comparisons of layouts

Your edit to the page, which uses two images I had only recently added to Spender's page, and which I chose not to use in relation to his quote, because there were clearly relevant and actually previously unused images well related to some of the significant social activities of Spender, and the concepts Spender is celebrating in this quote from his poetry.

Original layout:

What is precious is never to forget The delight of the blood drawn from ancient springs Breaking through rocks in worlds before our earth; Never to deny its pleasure in the simple morning light, Nor its grave evening demand for love; Never to allow gradually the traffic to smother With noise and fog the flowering of the spirit. ~ Stephen Spender ~

Minimized and severely altered presentation of Cirt:

File:Stephen spender.jpg

What is precious is never to forget The delight of the blood drawn from ancient springs Breaking through rocks in worlds before our earth; Never to deny its pleasure in the simple morning light, Nor its grave evening demand for love; Never to allow gradually the traffic to smother With noise and fog the flowering of the spirit. ~ Stephen Spender ~

File:Stephen Spender, Miami Book Fair International, 1986.jpg

I once again note that your efforts to censor, reduce or remove indications of concepts, notions and ideas available people extends not only to relevant imagery, but even to wikilinks, which are hypertext links to encourage intelligent exploration which are a part of the very fundamental structures of wikis. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 01:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I replaced the images with directly relevant images to the author of the quotes. -- Cirt (talk) 03:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I had used images that I believe any normally intelligent person would easily be able to see are DIRECTLY relevant to the concepts of the quotes. Insistence on mechanistically direct links to things is the type or obtuse idiocy that is actually not usually found in normally intelligent human beings who are not psychologically aberrant. This is not a statement of original research — it is a well known and widely documented psychological trait. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 05:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

I would like to note that I myself cannot edit this back to the original format as the page was locked to general editing after Cirt's alterations. I would at least make the attempt to do so, if I could. I find the simplified alternative one that is far inferior in many ways to the layout I had provided. It uses two images of Spender that no one else had even bothered to place on the Spender page until I did so a few days ago, and though adequate for that page they do not really make a very interesting visual composition. The layout I had proposed had clear direct relevance to the themes of the quotes themselves, in various obvious ways as well as obscure ones, and some of them have specific relevance to some of Spender's major interests as well as the theme of the quote. The flag and symbols used in the central portions are both related to UNESCO, which Spender was involved with and the spiral particularly appropriate, due to lines in the poems, and it being a UNESCO logo of "Memory of the World (Intangible Cultural Properties)" project. Even the street scene of foot traffic has relevance not only lines of the poem, but to UNESCO as a World Heritage Site of Stone Town, Zanzibar. If any admin prefers this layout, as more interesting and likely to provoke interest in the quote and Spender, and thinks it worthy enough to enter into possible contentions on the matter, I believe the original should be restored. If not, I can accept what various strands of fate presently decree. So it goes... ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 23:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

P. S. Whether or not any admins can agree with me sufficiently in my above assessments, I definitely believe the wikilinks should be restored as non-controversial, and I consider Cirt's insistence on removing these as little more than a very petty means to further his long-term cross-wiki harassment of my activities. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 23:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC) + tweak

I've at least restored the wikilinks, as I believe this is a long-standing practice to add such links to encourage readers to explore other pages within the project. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that much. Whether or not you have any further agreement in my assessments, I can understand reluctance to take any further actions in light of the current atmosphere and some recent activities and certain plainly dubious or false assertions. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 17:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)