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User talk:Ningauble/Archive 4

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This is an archive of past discussions on User talk:Ningauble from Jan–Jun 2010.
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"Overlinking" in quotes.Edit

How do you determine whether a link is "overlinking"? We are a wiki, it seems sensible to me that we should link terms in quotes to relevant theme articles. Cheers! BD2412 T 17:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Hypertext makes a virtue out of lack of organization, allowing ideas and thoughts to be juxtaposed at will. [...] The advent of hypertext is apt to make writing much more difficult, not easier. Good writing, that is.
Donald Norman
Perhaps this should be discussed at Wikiquote:Manual of style#Free link style, where "This guideline has yet to be discussed for Wikiquote — some feel that it may not be appropriate in the middle of quotations."
I do appreciate the potential benefit of advertising Theme pages in this way, but I think it is outweighed by the drawbacks. I feel that links within quotes can lend a peculiar emphasis, and have the potential for adding a distorted POV to the author's words. I consider it a Good Thing™ to link People and Works to which the author refers, and I don't find it any more emphatic than capitalizing proper names; but I consider highlighting concepts with links to Theme articles distracting and potentially distorting. ~ Ningauble 18:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree that this calls for some centralized discussion, as I have made quite a few such links, and would like to see them remain. BD2412 T 21:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Ahmet çakarEdit

Its passed January 15 which means its time for the Ahmet cakar page to disappear and its time to close its VFD.(StarWarsFanBoy 01:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC))

Boyle Roche Double QuoteEdit

Dear Ningauble,

Please note that I deleted a quote which was posted twice on Boyle Roche's page. I don't think we need double sourcing for a single quote. The quote in question is:

"It would surely be better ... to give up not only a part, but, if necessary, even the whole, of our constitution, to preserve the remainder!"

This is listed twice:

1) Arguing for the habeas corpus suspension bill in Ireland. Barrington, Jonah. "Chapter XVII". Personal sketches and recollections of his own times. 2) In parliament. Falkiner, C. Litton (1902). "Sir Boyle Roche". Studies in Irish History and Biography, mainly of the Eighteenth Century. New York: Longmans, Green, and Co.. pp. p.237.

Clearly, the first one addresses the quote more accurately (giving it's context, therefore, I deleted the second (or, at least, meant to do so). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk)

Ok, I restored the second citation without duplicating the quote (and also noted that links for one of the sourced don't work). In the future, please use an edit summary to avoid misunderstandings. Thanks. ~ Ningauble 18:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Kane (Command & Conquer)Edit

You forgot its talkpage when you deleted Kane.(StarWarsFanBoy 00:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC))

You also forgot Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Sarey Savy and Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Category:Pending deletions. Those two VFDs are a clear delete.(StarWarsFanBoy 19:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC))

Ida Friederike GörresEdit

I hope you don't mind me asking you a question but I noticed you linked the wikiquote page to the main wikipedia page for gorres which I didn't know how to do and I've finished adding quotes from her book 'broken lights' and added images - I just wanted to know if I have broken copyright all over the place. I'm not a lawyer and I take copyright of the work to mean reproducing the text as a whole or substantially is against copyright, but am I right in thinking that. Is quoting as much as i have o.k or is it too much? If I write on other book articles , or authors what is a reasonable amount to quote? Do you have any advice? Sayerslle 01:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in contributing to our project. To answer your question, and offer a couple other suggestions:
  1. There are quantitative guidelines on copyright at Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. It basically amounts to five lines of prose per ten pages of the book, as an upper limit. However, a reasonable amount, in terms of making a good quality quotations page, in usually much less. The object is to showcase the most outstandingly quotable bits, rather than to "cover the work" like a summary or condensed book. This is subjective, and not always easy to do!
  2. You identify the quotes as "from Broken Lights and The Hidden Face." Please indicate which quotes are from which publication, and identify the edition and translator. (See Louis IX of France for an example of how to do this with an annotated section heading.)
  3. The page layout, indicated in the "cleanup" template, should use a bulleted list of quotes with sub-bullets for citations. (See Ignatius of Loyola for an example of how to do this.) In addition to chapters/sections, page numbers are very useful.
This may be more advice than you asked for, but I hope you find it useful. Keep on quoting! ~ Ningauble 16:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll go back to the gorres page and add the bullet points and sub-bullets. Sayerslle 00:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: WarningEdit

You warned the wrong person. I moved your warning to the talk page of the my impersonator. I'm the real Michaeldsuarez; Michaeldsuarez, (notice the comma) is an impersonator who is attempting to trick users like yourself into blocking innocent victims like myself. Please view my Wikipedia talk page, and you'll see that I've been under attack by impersonators using modified versions of my username in order to troll me. Please ban Michaeldsuarez, since it's a single-purpose trolling account that can only do harm to me. Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez 14:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 Y Blocked as an inappropriate username. I see the comma now that I have cleaned my glasses. ~ Ningauble 15:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez 15:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

John Dewey followupEdit

Hey there, I just came across your remarks from a year ago regarding the very extensive excerpts of Dewey's book Democracy and Education. I've expressed my own thoughts on the subject, and I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at my remarks, and also at the length of the page at this point (one year later). I spend most of my editing time over at the Mother Ship, so I'm not sure how best to proceed. (Please leave a short note to alert me over at my WP talk page when you've replied re Dewey, as I don't check in here very frequently. Thanks in advance! CGingold 09:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I replied at Talk:John Dewey. ~ Ningauble 15:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


im new to this site, and i dont speak english very well, can i ask you a question? Lee Wang the II of Japan 17:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Re-read fair use doctrineEdit

You should take time to read the fair use doctrine carefully and critically. I don't think you really understand it. An "administrator" of Wikiquotes ought to have a word-by-word understanding of the doctrine and its implications.—This unsigned comment is by Perspectoff (talkcontribs) .

Actually, administrators are merely editors who are entrusted to use certain tools that could be disruptive in the hands of the general public. Expertise is neither required nor implied. Note also that Wikiquote:Limits on quotations is not just about respecting copyrights, it is primarily about the quality of Wikiquote articles. Language in the template should probably be revised to reflect that purpose. ~ Ningauble 17:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


Do you need help reverting the vandalism? I'll be happy to help! ~ YukiLuvzbou 03:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. ~ Ningauble 03:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
He had been vandalizing for a while. In fact I saw him brag about being blocked off Wikipedia and Wikiitionary. I think that this guy isn't your average vandal... I mean it's not like a 2-day block is going to do anything. I don't very much about your policies, but this isn't a one-and-done type of vandal. I will help you though revert this and all stuff. ~ YukiLuvzbou 03:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
For your information, Zelshin (talk · contributions), YukiLuvzbou (talk · contributions), Zeli17 (talk · contributions) and Auburn1 (talk · contributions) are likely to be identical. --Aphaia 10:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thanks! And yeah, that's a typo. Neutrality 07:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: BotEdit

Hi. I think that if we consider those pages useless we should delete them, and then unlink them all, and if we don't delete them we don't consider them completely useless so we shouldn't unlink them. Anyway, since this is a controversial matter, obviously I won't add interwiki links to simple any more. I'm going to request local bot flag, too (and I've stopped the bot here). --Nemo 20:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, not all articles have been changed as frequently as such a trafficked page as Jesus, but as I said I agree, I won't touch those links. --Nemo 06:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Riaz Ahmed Gohar ShahiEdit

If you carefully read This article, it also states that The sentences are said to total 59 years. An appeal was filed in the High Court of Sindh and before it could be decided, Goharshahi died and the case was 'abated', which clearly resolve this issue and confirm death status.-- 13:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I have replied to this on the article talk page. ~ Ningauble 13:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Village pump#Proposal to bar StarWarsFanBoy from VfD participation for one month.Edit

In light of your earlier comments on the subject, I thought you might like to weigh in at Wikiquote:Village pump#Proposal to bar StarWarsFanBoy from VfD participation for one month. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Fr. Charles Bolton, PandeismEdit

My Dear Mr. Ningauble,

As to this--would you be so kind as to provide an email address, I'd repay such kindness by emailing Fr. Bolton's entire article, such that you may adjudge for yourself the excessiveness of interpolarity amongst the ellipses in his commentary on Pandeism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2010

No thanks, I don't need to read the original article. The reason for my comment is because square brackets [like this] are used to indicate that words are added or substituted (also known as "interpolated text") and ellipses (...) are used to indicate that words are omitted. It may accurately reflect Bolton's meaning but, not meaning to be unkind, the appearance of such a large number of alterations gives the impression that this brief "quote" may bear little resemblance to his original words.

On the other hand, the markup may just be copied from another website, and may not have been intended to look the way it does on Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble 16:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


no worries Utopial 12:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


I knew I'd forgotten to do something...[1] EVula // talk // // 17:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not like there's an instruction manual, or even a checklist. ~ Ningauble 17:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, I actually do have a checklist on enwiki, I just never got around to making one for here as well, chiefly because this was my first successful RfA. :) EVula // talk // // 17:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Weightlifting SourcesEdit

  • I added the sources on the Weightlifting page, should be up to snuff now.

Claes OldenburgEdit

Sadly I too cannot locate the source of the Oldenberg quotes.Please feel free to delete.Ichthys58 18:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Janusz Korwin-MikkeEdit

Hi. I don't know, how can I add sources (I don't know templates in english wikiquote). So I write you sources of his quotes:

  • Before... - feuilleton "Przepisy celne, ale ulgowe" (Customs regulations, but reduced) in Angora (21, 1998)
  • If every Jew... - TVN24, debate on access to firearms
  • I've not... - Presidential Debate at the Warsaw University. Riposte to the words of Kornel Morawiecki, who said that schools should be introduced to sex education. source

If I find something more, I'll write you. Ozi 20:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

It's easy: if you can post it here, you can post it in the article. For an example of the interlinear citation style used at Wikiquote, take a look at Frédéric Chopin. Don't worry if the format is not quite right, that can always be fixed. ~ Ningauble 14:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Miss FoozieEdit

Hello, first of all, I would like to thank you for leaving a message on my Wikipedia talk page in order to help me get your message. I appreciate it. Second, I responded to your vote for deletion. I also updated Miss Foozie with more quotations and citations. After reading the changes to the subject's page and my response, would you please consider withdrawing your vote for deletion? Thank you. Taric25 17:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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