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  • Most of our notions about the world come from our set of assumptions which we take for granted, and which, for the most part, we don't examine or question. We bring these assumptions to the table with us as a given. They are so much a part of who we are that it is difficult for us to separate ourselves from them enough to be able to talk about them. We do not think these assumption, we think from them.
    • Quoted in Thank God for Evolution, by Michael Dowd, Viking Press

Undated, incomplete cite, moved to talkpage. -- Cirt (talk) 01:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Quotes organized

Quotes by Werner Erhard

All now use cite templates, quotes in this sect organized chronologically by ascending order.


All now use cite templates, quotes in this sect organized alphabetically by author to which secondary source is cited.

Quotes about Werner Erhard

All now use cite templates, quotes in this sect organized alphabetically by author.


-- Cirt (talk) 02:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Update: Attributed sect now organized chronologically in ascending order by date of publication. -- Cirt (talk) 16:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Chronological order within subsection


This change by MLKLewis (talk · contributions) was inappropriate, as the section is arranged in chronological order within the subsection.

Please let's keep the sect to chronological order.

Thank you!

-- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I do not see how my edit was inappropriate. First of all assuming that chronological is the best way to order these quotes, it is cited using the very same source as all the edits above it are (dated 1978), so it is completely chronological to have that quote at the top. Also the quote, "At all times and under all circumstances, we have the power to transform the quality of our lives" is one of the quotes that Erhard is best known for. As it says in Wikiquote:Wikiquote a quotation is notable because it has achieved fame due to its enduring relevance to many people. This quote more than the ones you have put above it meets that criteria. --MLKLewis (talk) 02:33, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
Please see the page number of the cite. -- Cirt (talk) 04:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
Where a quote is found in a book is irrelevant. All those quotes are from the same book, and I do not agree with your choice in how to organize them. Quotes that people actually quote should be prominent. I think that you have chosen to create this "chronological" structure because it happens to order the quotes in alignment with your point of view.--MLKLewis (talk) 01:15, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
The book itself progresses in chronological order. -- Cirt (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
  1. Chronological order, and/or alphabetical order, are both objective ways to organize a subsection.
  2. Ordering by which quotes are most adored and loved by any particular individual such as MLKLewis (talk · contributions), would be an subjective and arbitrary way to order quotes.
  3. The first way is no point of view.
  4. I did not make up time, nor did I invent the alphabetical sorting system.
  5. The second way is therefore per the POV of MLKLewis (talk · contributions).

-- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

My point of view is that quotes that are actually used by people as quotes deserve a place of prominence in a collection of quotes. Quotes that are included to illustrate the point of view of the editor adding those quotes is (in my point of view) a misuse of Wikiquote - Yet, as Wikiquote is also a place where people who disagree can work things out together I will concede your point and go along with organizing chronologically. --MLKLewis (talk) 02:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Werner Erhard book by William Warren Bartley


There are now six (6) quotes cited to the book Werner Erhard by William Warren Bartley.

That's enough, we don't want to go too many more than that.


-- Cirt (talk) 03:23, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

"The End of Starvation: Creating an Idea Whose Time Has Come "


Is there a way to verify this please?

Can we get a date?

A page number?

A way to confirm the veracity of the quote?

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 02:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Removed this quote, pending more info for the citation. Please don't add back without additional info for verify purposes. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
MLKLewis (talk · contributions) has added this back, again, with a link to Scribd. This is not a reliable source, in fact, it is copyvio. Please do not add this back again. -- Cirt (talk) 02:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have restored this quote of Erhard which MLKLewis had provided, with less contentious links to such source material as could VERY easily be found by anyone in any search engine in a few seconds, were they not actively hostile to anything apparently positive regarding him appearing here. ~ Kalki·· 11:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, User:Kalki, your research is much appreciated. I've done some minor formatting. Your citations are most helpful. This is really all I was looking for when I first commented, above. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
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