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Meta/CU

Well I went and poked some stewards..... The tools are "broken" today! I've tidied the page, the request is very valid (IMO) and getting more so. If nothing happens in a day or so nudge me again if I forget and I'll try again, regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 12:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW I archived the Poetlister one while I was there. It "cleaned" the page up and it looks sort of dead for now. Stewards are doing some now so I'll keep you posted if I see anything, regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll try again tomorrow Jeff - regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. I'm sorry I haven't responded sooner, but between my real-world activities and so many Wikimedia things happpening this week, I've been rather preoccupied. But as soon as someone responds to my request, I plan to take swift action. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• reset

Hi Jeff - no one particularly around to chat to at a time I could get on IRC today (I did try Cary towards the end of last week and he said he had asked on the steward channel). I should be able to get on at a more USA friendly time on Wednesday so I'll try then (it isn't just the quote one there are a few outstanding). --Herby ^{talk thyme} 13:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyright and the future of Wikiquote

I responded here. Have you guys had any discussions about these issues on the Village Pump or elsewhere? Omegatron 23:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

We've had quite a few discussions about Wikiquote and copyrights, but mostly disorganized and spread across many article talk pages. (WQ:COPY is our official page, but its talk page has been relatively quiet.) I have to echo Eloquence's concerns about enforcement. We've talked a bit on WQ:VP about an Exemption Deletion Policy for Wikiquote, as Michael Snow suggests, but we're having a hard time rallying even the regular editors to take any overall action on this critical issue. I'd like to present at WQ:VP a perspective of the possible impact of the elections, but I don't want to adovcate or recommend against any candidates (which strikes me as unseemly, however relevant it might be to the future of Wikiquote). If I have the time, I would like to compose a thorough "state of copyright issues" post for WQ:VP to stimulate action on the whole set of issues. I'm not sure I can do it in time to allow folks to take it into account when voting for Board members in the current election. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Its Wiki-star again

Please listen to me jeff, its me Zarbon. Wiki-star continues to vandalize the pages even after being banned. I warned you about this persistent sockpuppet and you should have gotten rid of this threat long ago. Just look at Dragon Ball GT and see for yourself. I'm speaking to you from my friend's computer and account. One of his current Ips is 219.89.161.229. Please dont block me because I am undoing all of his vandalism I can find. Just block him for the sake of wikiquote. Much thanks. Zarbon 03:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The above post was actually made at 03:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC) by NoUcan't (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

You should make an ip check on 192.175.182.26. I'm not one to make accusations, but this might be one of his many ips. I was kidding around with the toodles, but not anymore.

I will once more be checking for any edits that are obvious vandalism by this major sockpuppet, reverting menace and overall vandaliser. Zarbon 03:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The above post was actually made at 03:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC) by NoUcan't (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

You can unblock my old Zarbon account and my friend Recoome (Shane) he and I didn't do anything and is innocent. I am using one of his computers in New Zealand as we speak. Did you get my recent e-mail from before? Zarbon 03:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The above post was actually made at 03:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC) by NoUcan't (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I have just received an e-mail by another one of his sockpuppets, Prince Zarbon. He said he will keep making accounts to impersonate me. Just look at the Prince Zarbon userpage and you will see a porn site at the bottom. He told me this in the e-mail. I have deleted it. I must warn you that if one of the 24.123... ips, 149.54... ips and 219.344... ips say that they are Zarbon and Recoome please dont listen to that trash. It is clear that they are sockpuppets of Wiki-star and Taracka. I just remembered, User:Poetic Decay was mentioned in the e-mail and this sockpuppteer Wiki-star says that Poetic has something to tell you about us three. Zarbon 03:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The above post was actually made at 03:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC) by NoUcan't (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Its my obligation as a fellow wikiquote and wikipedian member to alert you of this maniac. I must create another account so that no one ever finds me on wikiquote. Thank you very much

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by NoUcan't (talk • contribs) 03:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

It's clearly obvious that NoUcan't is a sock puppet of Wikistar. He now seems to be stealing stuff from my user page as well. Also have they done the checks yet? Thanks Recoome

The above post was made at 08:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC) by 219.89.175.215 (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

What's obvious to me is that none of you has any interest in cooperative editing, following advice, or avoiding the use of sockpuppets and IP logins to prosecute your edit warring, despite frequent warnings and blocks. Until we get a resolution of the CheckUser, I will block each and every instance of your username and IP sockpuppets. STOP THIS NOW! And you don't need me to report on the CheckUser status; there are plenty of links here, at WQ:AN, and meta:RfCU to find the request. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Sweet tartersauce! Please listen to me.

Okay, I will confess. Its me Zarbon. I admit to making several wiki-star sockpuppets, but only because I wanted him banned. This sock war, anime bloodbath, etc. is over. I am a person of their words and I don't fib. Please cancel all this CheckUser nonsense. I have just got an e-mail by Taracka saying he will stop. I hope it is true and not a lie. Poetic Decay is a sockpuppet of someone. Just look at his contributions. If he doesnt stop then you may ban him, ONLY HIM. Now I ask for the last time unblock User:Zarbon and User:Recoome and leave everything else blocked. Dont ban this account. Ban Poetic too for being a meatpuppet at least. There you have my confession. Jeffq if you ignore this and ban this account, I will seriously seek revenge. I have been trying to edit the sopranos and dbz pages for weeks and almost every time I get banned! Enough is enough jeffq. This is your last warning. I am using another one of my friends computers in New Zealand not New York. Get rid of the CheckUser and forget everything, or I will create 50 sockpuppets to attack you, like Taraka just told me in the email. I have had enough of you arrogating sysop actions. Now you heard my advice, take it or leave it. It is you who will suffer the consequences! Uglyguy2006 14:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Ignore him, Jeff. Not that I need to tell you, as you probably already figured it out. =/ He's (obviously) just another one of the Zarbon/NoUcan't/Wiki-star/etc. sockpuppets. Just block him for sockpuppetry and threats and move on with your life. Also, what's this whole 'meatpuppet' thing I'm being accused for? // DecaimientoPoético 20:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm very, very angry

I had reported you to Drini on metawiki and he will personally see to it that you are dismissed from your position as sysop. You may go ahead and file the checkuser all you want. Like I said, I have access to 10 different computers and not every one of those sockpuppets belong to one Ip, so you can't do an ip check. Ha! I tried to be nice, I tried to be your friend but you had to think "The heck with it, I'll ban everyone involved in the anime battle." You will be sorry for that. Drini may be a fat, spanish and ugly guy, but he will surely ban you for all the things you had done. Go ahead, check my ip. You will be wrong. By the way, great job blocking those ips responsible for vandalising the Family Guy pages. I am surprised that you figured it was me. Zarbon 21:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The above post was actually recorded at 21:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC) by Andymack1986 (talk · contributions) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Insulting Drini won't help your case, I hope you're aware of that. And an admin cannot lose their position for doing their job. Just give it up already. This is a website about quotes; it's not even worth the trouble of creating a second or third account, let alone 20 of them. // DecaimientoPoético 22:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

My fully support for Jeffq's series of actions. I'd happy add I share concerns with one of most experienced Wikiquote editors. --Aphaia 10:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the support, folks, but I really don't need it. This troll has established a pattern of threatening editors with claimed support from sysops, much like a child boldly lying about telling on someone to their parents. This is transparently pointless, as no sysop on any project would take him seriously, which leads me to believe the real goal is simply to annoy everyone. Responding to him is only feeding the troll. Let's just revert, block, and ignore. He'll eventually either get bored or we'll block his IPs.

Normally, I keep such posts on my talk page (and even archive them!) as a kind of trophy, showing off how many wiki trolls I've attracted (and who always fail to get my goat in the end). When they get too repetitive, I'll just revert their posts. But whenever someone responds to such a troll post, I won't revert these honest attempts to engage and dissuade the disrupter, however pointless they may be. So if you will all just ignore him, I'll start reverting his posts from here on. To paraphrase Dieter from Sprockets, he has become tiresome, and does not get to dance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Meta CU update

OK - I've now chatted to a steward who has agree to place something on the stewards mailing list. It looks like there are relatively few stewards who will normally carry out CU stuff. I'll keep you informed. Next task is to nominate you for the rights here - so feel free to accept when you get online! Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

it's done Jeff & result are on meta - haven't had a chance to look properly and going offline now - regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted contributions

"Me too" in best AOL mode - it will make in depth study of someone "contributions" much better. For me it is the bot pages but I'm sure folk will find uses that I haven't thought of. One of those cross wiki bits of info picked up from someone who knew someone who happened to be on IRC etc etc. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank You for the Friendly Welcome

It is good to be a part of Wikiquote.

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-12 (July 12, 2007) Time: 1907 UTC

This page

Hi Jeff - made it semi prot for now. Obviously remove it if you want but it is attracting some rubbish. As Aphaia has fully protected "moves" indefinitely you'll need to change it sometime. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the edit protection, but I decided to remove it. I'd prefer to allow anonymous editors to be able to ask questions, complain, or just vent if they wish to. If they just vandalize my page, as with the incidents that led to your protection, we can still simply revert the changes. Thank you for your assistance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Thought I would try and work out how it was done! --Herby ^{talk thyme} 12:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. I hate to interfere with folks tackling new chores (or at least new for the project). But I was (am) in such a hurry, agreed with you and Poetlister that the VfD closures were quite overdue, and didn't know that you'd take a shot at it. When I get back later today (and hopefully with my home/computer problems over), I'll answer any questions and give you some tips if you like. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats...

on your checkusership. You need to contact Cary... see m:Requests_for_permissions#English_Wikiquote ++Lar: t/c 02:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. And thanks! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

CheckUser

Congratulations you now (as of a few minutes ago) have CheckUser rights on this project. Please make sure you have read and understand the m:CheckUser policy and review the extension itself (Special:CheckUser).

If you are ever on IRC and need help, please do not hesitate to visit #wikimedia-checkuser or irc.freenode.net (you will need to register your nick and ask for access in #wikimedia-stewards first). Please coordinate with the other CheckUser to see how you wish to handle CheckUser requests on this project (user talk pages; Village pump; new page...). Thanks for helping us with this and congratulations again!!! Cbrown1023 talk 19:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Just posting a brief message of congratulations and condolences to both you and Aphaia on acquiring check-user abilities. I expect you both will be more busy with tracking vandals and trolls down, but I expect it will diminish some of our problems to a significant degree. ~ Kalki 23:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips (and the condolences!), everyone. I'll be getting myself set up to use these various tools shortly. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

HI!

Why am I blocked from editing?--  † ChristianMan16  23:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Your username is not showing up as being blocked. Furthermore, your ability to post a message to me under your username indicates that your are not blocked. Exactly what is the problem you are seeing? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

"INSTRUCTIONS" headings

Hey Jeff, were you aware that you could force the TOC anywhere you want by typing __TOC__. (I believe you are.) If so, why put ==INSTRUCTIONS== at the top of the page instead? Cbrown1023 talk 18:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do know about the TOC marker, but I am also concerned about providing users a significant visual cue that there is something to do besides jump to the discussion(s) of interest. Explanatory text at the top is useful and even necessary, but it tends to be ignored without something to call attention to it. (Actually, it sometimes gets ignored even with such attention, but I'm not prepared to suggest we have a blinking banner, so this struck me as a possible compromise. ☺) But it's just an idea. If folks don't think it accomplishes much, or think they might have a better way to do the job, by all means, they should try it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

help

i just would like help finding wikiquote's wikibreak template for my upcoming wikibreak

Just copy the code from Wikipedia and post it on your user page. Cbrown1023 talk 22:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought that was a template so you might have to do a subst in a sandbox to get the code. ++Lar: t/c 03:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Pulp Fiction and "cell phones"

I'm not a regular user of Wikiquotes, and I didn't notice until recently that you had left me a message on the Pulp Fiction talk page several months ago. I responded to it a few days ago.

I had issued a minor correction to a Pulp Fiction quote after having seen the movie again, changing Lance's phrase "cell phone" to "cellular phone." I had also, as an aside, been curious about whether the phrase "cell phone" even existed in 1994. I used Google's newsgroup archive to determine that the phrase was, indeed, used back then and even much earlier.

You immediately criticized me, claiming I was relying on the "rumor mill" to support my changes to Wikiquotes. That is a complete misunderstanding of what I did. First of all, I changed the page purely based on verifying with the movie itself--nothing else. My curiosity about the origin of the phrase "cell phone" was tangential. But I was not relying on rumors or personal opinion to back up either the changes I made or my tangential statement. The newsgroup archive is an objective historical record of the English language at various points in time. The fact that messages dated to long before 1994 used the phrase "cell phone" is fairly concrete proof that the term existed back then. 71.246.93.227 15:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's never too late to respond, IMHO. I don't know why I misread your post so badly. I implied that you were using "personal recollection" when you clearly said you'd re-watched the film. I also went off on my frequent rant about using Internet sources like Usenet for factual information when you clearly said you were using Usenet for evidence of language use, and Usenet posts can be relied on for their literal content, even if claims made in them are totally false. I sincerely apologize for both errors. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced headings

was titled "Hello!"

What do you mean by Unsourced quotes on people pages? No need to source them quotes and give references? How can it be possible? Now everyone would bring quotes which do not even exist to this section of Unsourced quotes. Am I wrong? what does it actually mean? --Shshshsh 22:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

"Unsourced" is our way of grouping together quotes that don't have adequate reliable sources to allow reasonable verification of accuracy. It should not be interpreted as meaning the quotes do not need sourcing, even though the huge number of quotes under these headings might make it seem that way sometimes. See Wikiquote:Sourced and Unsourced sections for the general guidelines.

Most people don't bother to look up reliable sources for quotes when they choose to add them, just as most Wikipedia editors don't bother to cite sources for their own additions. But we still want sources, and we are getting more insistent that they be added to articles. We encourage all editors to find and cite reliable sources (not just other quote websites, which are notoriously unreliable) whenever they can, and to remove quotes that seem unlikely if they have no sources. But please do not remove quotes without providing an brief explanation in the edit summary (e.g., "unsourced, unlikely quotes"). In fact, it's always a good idea to include an edit summary for changes. I hope this helps.

By the way, I apologize for the delay in responding to the issues raised at at WQ:AN#Concern Over Editor. I've been far too preoccupied with real-world work to do Wikiquote justice in the interim. I am hoping to review the situation this weekend. Thank you for your patience. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much

First of all thank you for your immense help!:) Your explanations are brilliant and deep.

Secondly, I'd like to clarify and say that actually I do love Preity Zinta but I'm not an obsessive fan of her and I like Rani Mukerji too. The problem was that I felt there is an injustice against Zinta. Look what he did here when he wasn't logged [1]. He was warned for his edits against Zinta various times. If you see Wikipedia, you will understand. I'm working on every page, my edits don't focus on Zinta. On the other hand, Shez 15 works only on Mukerji-related pages.

As I said, videos are unreliable and he does not listen to me. I don't know what the importance of this quote is: (Rani said on Koffee With Karan) Preity talks too Much. BTW, the actresses have worked together a lot of times, and they're actually in good vibes, and Zinta came to confront the former for this quote. Do we have to mention that here?

In general, I extremely grateful for you help. Thanks! --Shshshsh 11:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi again!

Thanks for the guidance! Sorry to say that but I actually still can't get what the term Unsourced means here. If I don't have source so it's actually because the quote does not exist, no?

And in fact, if I bring a quote to Wikiquote, so I must have taken it from some place, so why do I have to create a section which does not sites sources?

However, if you're talking about Unreliable sources for Unsorced, isn't it better to avoid its usage here?

For example, Shez_15, was adding quotes from site named freewebs.com. It is the most unreliable source one can find on the net. Fans can create sites there without any problem. The site is a free site which allows every other internet user like you or me to create own sites. There were such unbelievable quotes in this site like "I love Mukerji the most in the world after my mother" (some unknown british singer, supposedly). I removed all the quoted related to this site, and Shez agreed.

I think I'll start to clean the page from the next week, as I'm busy on WP now. Thank you, --Shshshsh 18:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I am puzzled as to what you would mean "unsourced" for the quotes of the national anthems. How would you want them sourced?--Jusjih 20:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

"Sourced" means we have a specific, explictly cited, reliable source listed in the article under the quote that allows readers to be able to verify the text of the quote by checking the source. How else can a reader be sure what someone added is accurate, since most of us didn't learn the anthems for the several hundred nations we weren't born in while we were growing up? (And if you're a fan of Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segments, you'd probably suspect anyone's recall of even their own national anthem. ☺) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser...

Hi it's me, Xemit, from Wikibooks. I just wanted to know if there is a list somewhere of the people who have CU rights on Wikiquote. Thanks for your time. Xemit ^{talk to me} 17:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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I have concerns about Xemit (talk · contributions), based on the following information and deductions:

IPs editing in this situation, per edit histories:

• 68.15.226.72: customer IP for Cox Communications, Atlanta, USA
• 24.67.253.203: customer IP for Shaw Communications, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
  • Conclusion: probably unrelated to each other

Relevant edits

15:12   68.15.226.72 edited Firefly

16:04   68.15.226.72 edited Firefly

16:52   24.67.253.203 edited The Golden Girls

17:12   User:Xemit created

17:14   Xemit edited User talk:Xemit

17:15   Xemit edited User talk:Xemit

17:17   24.67.253.203 edited The Golden Girls (last edit so far)

17:18   Xemit edited User:Xemit

17:18   Xemit edited User:Xemit

17:19   Xemit edited User talk:24.67.253.203

17:20   Xemit edited User talk:24.67.253.203

17:21   Xemit asked @ "CU" on WQ:AN

17:25   Jeffq edited Firefly, rv last of two 68.15.226.72 edits ("rv unnecessary (& unclear) expansion of context line")

17:25   Xemit edited User talk:Jeffq, asking for list of WQ CUs, claiming to be from Wikibooks (false statement, according to Herbythyme)

• Hypothesis: Xemit saw this edit in Recent Changes as only other active registered user since 16:25, signalling a target for pranks.

17:27   Xemit edited Firefly, rv Jeffq's chg, replacing "interplanetary" w/ "fucker", edit summary "Remove Vandalisim" (even tho it was adding vandalism)

17:27   Xemit edited Firefly, replacing "their" w/ "asshole" & removing "setting" after "fucker"; no edit summary

17:28   Xemit edited Firefly, rm "asshole" (failing to restore "their")

• Conclusion: deliberate vandalism: used profanity twice (first time claiming it was removing vandalism); failed to revert 1st instance; all happened within 2 minutes, so can hardly claim to have forgotten

17:57   LrdChaos rv Xemit chgs to Firefly

17:58   LrdChaos added {{test2}} to User talk:Xemit

17:59   LrdChaos blanked Xemit's posts to User talk:24.67.253.203 ("blank nonsense")

18:02   Xemit posted apology to User talk:Xemit

18:02   Xemit copied LrdChaos post & Xemit response to User talk:LrdChaos

• Conclusion: user is wiki-experienced enough to use copy-conversation courtesy posting to original poster

Recent history of User:24.67.253.203 shows same pattern vandalism: replacing innocuous words with profanity and scatalogical terms. WP IP user was blocked on 27 July 2007 for 3 months.

Overall conclusion: this is a juvenile prank editor who registered "Xemit" solely for disruption on Wikiquote. He is knowledgeable not only about wiki editing and practices, but also tried to pretend to be first a newbie at WQ:AN and then an informed user from another project to me. The combined dishonesty, disingenuity, and prank editing fits the established pattern of wiki-savvy juvenile editors with no intention of good-faith editing.

As I was involved in this situation, I will leave this to another admin to review my recommendation for a possible block. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm really sorry about the sware words on the "Firefly" page. I put some junk in to see if I could take it back out, to test the editing interface. And I have some expirence on Wikibooks, so if you are wonder how I knew how to put a message on bolth our talk pages, that is how. Anyways, sorry about the vandalisim, I'll make sure It won't happen again. I look forward to being a productive editor. Xemit ^{talk to me} 15:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Lord of the Rings

The first edition of The Lord of the Rings is out of copyright in the United States thanks to a quirk in U.S. copyright law of the time. Legal publication of a "pirate" first edition by another publisher is why Tolkien prepared the second edition that is the one now published. I doubt most of these quotes come from only the second edition. 4.152.3.132 17:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)