Talk:Warren Farrell

I attempted a cleanup on the Warren Farrell page, and have therefore removed the cleanup tag. I hope I have been successful. If the article is still flawed, please leave a note here explaining what I need to do differently. Thanks! Rsskga 19:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I just did a little bit more cleanup - I removed the sections detailing the books - these are better suited for the Wikipedia page. You may also want to be more specific with your sourcing, e.g. do you have chapters or page numbers from the books for the quotes? And do you have sourcing information for the Criticism section? ~ UDScott 20:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced

Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to Warren Farrell.

• All women's issues are to some degree men's issues and all men's issues are to some degree women's issues because when either sex wins unilaterally both sexes lose.
• Nobody really believes in equality anyway.

Criticism (unsourced)

• A bombshell...Forces us to see our everyday world from a fresh perspective.
  • From The Washington Post, Re: The Myth of Male Power
• Intellectual dynamite...Farrell continues to open genuine communication between the sexes.
  • Anthony Robbins, Re: The Myth of Male Power
• The relationship logic alone is worth your time and money. The author is a man well known for his evenhandedness with both sexes.
  • Los Angeles Times Syndicate, Re: Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say
• I come away from this book inspired to be a more involved dad, with deeper understanding . . . helpful to my children.
  • Jack Canfield. Co-author, Chicken Soup for the Parent’s Soul, Re: Father and Child Reunion
• It will inspire and persuade dads to become more involved with their children -- benefit to kids, to moms as well.
  • John Gray. Author, Men are From Mars; Women Are From Venus, Re: Father and Child Reunion

• The problem is that by the time they have sex, he’s also fulfilled her conditions for a long term relationship, but she has not necessarily fulfilled any more than one of his conditions for a long term relationship. So they have sex, he doesn’t call in the morning and she misinterprets that as being the male version of he saw; he came; he conquered; he’s gone.
  • Chapter 1

• Women read relationship books more than men in part because, historically, relationship books were women’s source of income—so relationship books were also business books. Men read business books more than women in part because, historically, being good at business was a prerequisite to having a relationship—so business books were also relationship books.
  • Chapter 1

Miscellaneous

• "The fundamental feminist false assumption: Female powerlessness meant male power.
  • Why Men Are the Way They Are (1988)

• Strict ideology is for women what macho is for men.
  • Why Men Are the Way They Are

• The most important thing to understand about men is their desire to be understood.
  • Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say (2000)

• The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is the facade of weakness..
  • The Myth of Male Power (2001)

Clean-up

In response to the recent edit summary, that "this article still needs a lot of cleanup", I have given it a try. I agree it needs more work, but what more can we do?

1. Add more subtitles
2. Put the "The Myth of Male Power (1993, 2000)" section in a separate article?
3. Remove the LISTENING MATRIX as well
4. Restore chronology
5. Add more source info?
6. Add an image or two?

These are just some suggestions. -- Mdd (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

One thing I see at a quick glance is to remove the quotation marks from those quotes that have them. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:17, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I cleaned up the article and removed the tag. -- Mdd (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Great work, Mdd. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Limits on quotations check - section Why Men Earn More (2005)

The Wikiquote:Limits on quotations states: A recommended maximum of five lines of prose... for every ten pages of a book not in the public domain. This is equal to about 1.25% of the total content of a book. Now:

• The 2005 edition of the book contained 270 pages, and with the limits of quotation of 5 lines per 10 pages, the limit is 135 lines.
• The current section contains approximately 360 lines (in compare with the lay-out of the 2005 edition.

This section should be trimmed down. About every 2 out of 3 quotes should be removed.

I strongly suspect, that other sections of the book also exceed the limit, but I haven't found a online example to check. -- Mdd (talk) 23:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)