Talk:Joan of Arc
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Little steps and clear commentsEdit
I've just completed some changes that were made in little steps and well commented. Please read them carefully and I'm sure we can all agree upon them. 18.104.22.168 22:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- It's quite all right to make big changes, too: just explain the rationale for possibly controversial changes in the Talk page. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
- PS. I have no opinion on the page. I just have a clear position that edit warring is not the answer. Currently, 213 agrees, which I am thankful for.
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- Please also note that, although edit summaries are essential for observing the flow of changes, controversial edits should be discussed in detail on the talk page. Debate-by-edit-summary is not recommended for these kind of ongoing issues because it (A) doesn't allow for anything but the most terse explanations, and (B) is harder for the community to study the issue. Any controversy that is important enough for multiple edits and reversions should be discussed in depth on an article's discussion page, preferably under a section header that tersely identifies the issue. Thank you for your cooperation. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
joan of arcEdit
thereis nothing on this website that helps me
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- It is true I wished to escape; and so I wish still; is not this lawful for all prisoners?
- When told she must be kept in irons, thus preventing her from a escape, which they also took note previously from her last escape, which she leaped from the tower.
- I do not accept such a prohibition, if ever I do escape, no one shall reproach me with having broken or violated my faith, not having given my word to any one, whosoever it may be.
- When told she is forbidden to leave the prison.
- I learned to spin and to sew; in sewing and spinning I fear no woman in Rouen.
- When asked about her childhood and what she did.
- Pass that by [Passez outré]. I was thirteen when I had a Voice from God for my help and guidance. The first time that I heard this Voice, I was very much frightened; it was mid-day, in the summer, in my father's garden. I had not fasted the day before. I heard this Voice to my right, towards the Church; rarely do I hear it without its being accompanied also by a light. This light comes from the same side as the Voice. Generally it is a great light. Since I came into France I have often heard this Voice.
- When asked about if she received the Sacrament of the Eucharist at any other Feast but Easter.
- It had borne the burden; it was only right that it should have the honor.
- When Asked why her standard had a place of honor at the King's coronation.
- What I said was: 'Go boldly among the English,' and I went among them, too!
- Asked if she told her troops that copies of her pennant would bring luck.
- The poor folk gladly came to me, for I did them no unkindness, but helped them as much as I could.
- Everything I have said or done is in the hands of God. I commit myself to Him! I certify to you that I would do or say nothing against the Christian faith.
- Ha! You take great care to put down in your trial everything that is against me, but you will not write down anything that is for me!
- I am a good Christian, properly baptized and I will die... a good Christian.
- I came from God. There is nothing more for me to do here! Send me back to God, from Whom I came!
- Most sweet Lord, in honor of Your Holy Passion, I implore You, if You love me, to instruct me in what I am to say to these churchmen. As regards to my clothes, I fully understand the order by which I accepted them, but I do not know how I am to set them aside. In this, may it please You to teach me.
- When asked how she summoned her voices.
- Truly, if you were to tear me limb from limb and separate my soul from my body, I would not say anything more. If I did say anything, afterwards I would always declare that you made me say it by force!
- And if I were condemned and brought to the place of judgment and I saw the torch lit and the faggots ready, and the executioner ready to kindle the fire, and if I were within the fire, yet I would say nothing else and I would maintain unto death what I have said in this trial!
- Through His Saints, God informed me of His great sorrow for the treason that I had committed by signing the abjuration. To save my life I betrayed Him and in so doing I damned myself!
- In the margin of his paper the court notary wrote: "Responsio Mortifera" which means, "fatal answer."
- My Voices have since told me that I did a great evil in declaring that what I had done was wrong. All that I said and revoked that Thursday, I did for fear of the fire!
- I saw them with these very eyes, as well as I see you.
- On how she recognized the saints of her visions.
- I am not afraid… I was born to do this.
- Take heart and come on! I will not fly away.
- At the town of Troyes to Brother Richard
- I fear nothing, except treason.
- At the town of Chalons, speaking to a friend from Domremy
- You touch them! Your touch will do them as much good as mine.
- At the town of Bourges, speaking to Madame Touroulde referring to religious items that some people brought for Jeanne to bless by her touch.
- In God's name, Count, you mock me! Ransom? How you jest. You have neither the will nor the power to do so!
- Reply to the Count of Luxembourg, at an offer of freedom.
- I know well that these English will put me to death, because they think that after I'm dead, they will win the Kingdom of France. But even if there were hundred thousand more Godons than there are now, still they will never have the Kingdom!
- Alas! Am I to be so horribly and cruelly treated? Alas! That my body, clean and whole, which has never been corrupted, should this day be consumed and burned to ashes! Ah! I would far rather have my head chopped off seven times over, than to be burned!
- When informed of her inpending execution.
- Alas! Had I been in the Church prison, to which I submitted myself, and been guarded by the Clergy instead of my enemies, as I was promised, this misfortune would not have come to me! Ah! I appeal to God, the Great Judge, for the great injuries done to me!
- Bishop, I die because of you!
- Bishop Cauchon strongly protested his innocence. Jeanne replied: "If you had placed me in the Church's prison and gave me into the hands of competent and suitable Church guardians, this would not have happened. That is why I appeal to God for justice against you!"
- Rouen! Rouen! Must I die here? Ah, Rouen, I fear you will have to suffer for my death!
- I ask you priests of God, to please say a Mass for my soul's salvation.
- I beg all of you standing here to forgive me the harm that I may have done you. Please pray for me.
- Good Brother Martin, I thank you for comforting me, but you must leave this place... now.
- As the execution pyre was lit.
- My Voices did come from God and everything that I have done was by God's order.
- Hold the crucifix up before my eyes so I may see it until I die.
- Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
- Last words.
- I fear nothing, for God is with me.