Mehmet Karatay

I prefer to keep discussions unfragmented. If I post on your talk page, I will notice any replies posted there. Unless you request otherwise, I will reply here to comments made here. I will usually post a brief note on your talk page to let you know that I have replied, unless your talk page instructs me otherwise. If you write a reply to me here, I may decide to move your text back to your talk page in an effort to keep the thread in one place.

Two people should have two separate accounts

From regarding responsibility and legal problems "This happened by accident, but now we work together most of the time so it doesn't seem worth having separate accounts. " isn't welcome on this project as far as I understanding. Group accounts are not generally allowed with some exceptions on Wikimedia project. I urge you to separate your accounts, or I'll simply ask the community to block this account. --Aphaia 11:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

In this case it would be hard for use to have two separate accounts, but if you can suggest how we can pull it off the we will consider it. There are only two of us working under this account, as stated Gemma Richards and Mehmet Karatay. We work together, with both of us usually sitting at the computer at the same time, and if this is not the case we review and discuss and modify each others work before saving. I can go into more details later, when I have more time, but how can we separate our accounts when we are actively working and writing together? Your suggestions are welcome. Mehmet Karatay 12:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You can register separately with different accounts. It is not impossible. There are many married couple who are working together but under separate accounts. You can just save your edit and then another can edit on wiki. You can discuss your edit either before or after saving. I don't understand how you think it impossible. --Aphaia 12:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

And personally I feel it very annoying I don't know with whom I talk. I think it somehow rude. I ask you to sign in your own name, not a group "user:Mehmet Karatay". Otherwise, I don't think I am obliged to respond you. --Aphaia 12:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This edit saved before I saw the comment "Mehmet Karatay 12:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)". So there is no response to the comment on the below.

We're sorry to have annoyed you, but this is the entire point of our argument. We are actively talking about how to reply to your comments as we write this so we have both written this statement. We still cannot see how to say which individual should claim credit for this. Please don't stop replying as we are attempting to sort this out. Gemma and Mehmet 12:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I cannot stand for your loyal we. This is my last reply unless you choose to speak as a single individual under your name. --Aphaia 13:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I see your point, but how can we distinguish who's work we are actually saving to choose which account to use? Mehmet Karatay 12:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Who clicked "save page" to upload the last message? The person who clicked should do so under their account, as they are taking responsibility for uploading. Tyrenius 00:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Tyrenius for your suggestion, but we don't feel it is the final answer yet. We'll attempt to explain why.

If we did have two separate accounts and the person who's account it was saved, would this not simply be seen as two group accounts? The content that one person official claimed responsibility for would still be generated by two people.

This logic could then be extended to say if the same person always saved, and therefore one person always took responsibility, we would only need one account. This obviously wouldn't solve the problem which implies we still need to work out another solution.

We're not trying to reject your suggestions but hope you understand why we feel it is not the ideal solution. Any other suggestions are very welcome. :-) Gemma and Mehmet 21:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

If you join in a project, you have to follow the rules of the project. The rules here are that accounts must be single user only. You can advocate for a change in policy, but in the meantime you will have to adapt to the system. The bottom line is, regardless of how the content came into existence, one person must take responsibility (and hence claim credit) for putting on the wiki. If one person always saves, then as far as we're concerned there is only one user, and the account should be operated on that basis. If there is consultation, then it is not something that should be apparent. Double-user accounts are likely to be blocked. Tyrenius 23:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer we not talk about blocking just yet without demonstrable bad-faith editing. At the moment, Wikiquote has no format policy against sharing a username. Wikipedia policy, which we often use to cover any gaps in ours, only just added their own injunction against this in April 2007, and it is tied more to "role" accounts, which is not what Gemma and Mehmet are asserting here. I have started a discussion at w:Wikipedia talk:Username policy#Sharing accounts to get some clarification on this issue, and have also been discussing it with Aphaia at w:User talk:Aphaia#Multiple people using a single username.

The arguments against shared use usually seem to be based on a belief that there is a legal reason we can't accept contributions from teams, but I have seen no legally informed response yet to the points I raised that question this interpretation of the GNU Free Documentation License under which Wikmedia operates. I believe there are practical reasons to discourage these accounts, but I'd like to get more information (especially links to old discussions) before we try to make such a case. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have commented on User_talk:Aphaia#Multiple_people_using_a_single_username. Tyrenius 03:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all of you for taking the time consider our case. Reading the discussions on Aphaia's talkpage and the Wikipedia username policy talk page was interesting. We are going away on holiday until the 7th of August but can discuss any additional requierments etc. when we get back. Gemma and Mehmet 12:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)