Talk:Glenn Beck

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• "I find this guy [father of Michael Berg] despicable."

This quote makes no sense. Was Beck referring to Nicholas Berg's grandfather? Or is the gloss supposed to say either "[Michael Berg]" or "[father of Nicholas Berg]" or "[Michael Berg, father of Nicholas Berg]"? As it stands, it is almost certainly in error. Is there a source to verify it against? -- Anonymous Coward at 02:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Context for humor quotes?

As with many commentators who use humor to make a point, Glenn Beck’s quotes can often be taken out of context, as parody or sarcasm is not evident from direct quotes. What is the best solution for this problem? In the absence of a better solution, I think that quotes clearly made in jest or sarcasm should be removed. Thoughts? 17.224.39.101 17:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not. It's not up to you or someone else to start censoring quotes. --96.250.88.59 05:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

That wouldn't be censoring; they may benefit from context but it doesn't hurt them without it. However, we need to gather more recent quotes. He has been making a ton on his show, and occasionally he comes up with one that would be useful for this page.

—This unsigned comment is by 136.160.154.48 (talk • contribs) .

Media Matters Is Not A Reliable Source

It is a website run by idiots that are not intelligent enough to get real research jobs (e.g. government, university, financial services company) and have to rely on the charity of a senile billionaire. If their "research" abilities actually had any value they wouldn't be in a job where all they do is watch a news channel all day. I am going to remove all quotations that have mediamatters as their only source. Are there any objections? - —This unsigned comment is by 87.238.84.65 (talk • contribs) .

You apparently take your credentials as an anonymous IP as sufficient credentials for your own bias to cast aspersions on the bias of others. I believe that most regular editors here have persistently rejected calls from both right wing and and left wing extremists to automatically remove material linked to certain sites, simply because such sites are purportedly so biased as to have any material cited from automatically them dismissed as unreliable. If one can give evidence that some specific quotes from such sites are actually fallacious or clearly unreliable misquotations in anyway, one should do so, and reveal them as faulty or fallacious misquotations. Otherwise massive deletions of such quotes amounts to little more than presumptive censorship. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 22:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Spare me the pretentious language, bitch. I have a first class degree so you do not impress/intimidate me. You seem to have a lot of power round here (congratulations), so when I have time I will prove to you that every one of those quotations should be deleted.

Anyway you fucking dickhead, have you ever hard of a "character reference?" It's a thing used in court to evaluate a suspects testimony. If a suspect has a tendency to lie should we not require evidence from other sources before we accept their claims?

And, wtf are your credentials? You have nothing on me, fool. - —This unsigned comment is by 87.238.84.65 (talk • contribs) .

Your full credentials as a "Fair and Balanced" commentator are glaringly evident. I am not asserting that I am here to judge you — I am here to prevent what false, foul, and presumptuous judgments I can — which often has made me very unpopular with many of those most eager to judge and condemn others — "right", "left" and every which way but loose. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 23:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Whatever your opinion of Media Matters' fact checking and commentary, their articles often include video clips of source material, a valuable resource. Quotations in Media Matters accompanied by clips of same are highly reliable. - Robin Lionheart 09:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Your assessment of MM is not even remotely accurate. See my comment in "Nice hit piece guys" section below, esp. the first two links. -- Glynth 08:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Media Matters is ***NOT*** a quotable source. EVERYTHING quoting them must be removed. They are not journalists, but rather a left-wing "Think tank" funded solely by left-wing activists. (including being paid by George Soros to "get" Glenn Beck and Fox). Wikipedia does not consider Media Matters a source, and neither should WQ. --216.114.194.20 23:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

You lie. Wikipedia has deemed Media Matters for America a reliable source, over and over. ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced

Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to Glenn Beck.

• "Hello, ya sick, twisted freak(s)."

• "I'm not a <INSERT PROFESSION HERE>, but I'm a thinker..."

• "It's not that Good News doesn't sell. It's that Good News doesn't sell some people's agendas."

• "Get off my phone you sick freak!"

• "What do I know? I'm a recovering alcoholic DJ."

• "Chicks dig me. It's a cross I bear."

• "Awwwwwwwwwwww yeah."

• "It's not about left and right, it's about right and wrong."

• "...Not so much."

• "Political correctness is going to be the death of us."

• "It makes blood shoot out of my eyes."

• "So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea. And sane people agreed with it!

• "We believe that while America may have made mistakes in the past with our foreign policy, no policy warrants an act of terror on any country's civilian population. We believe that America is justified in a military response on any country found to support international terrorism."

• "In a lot of ways, I'm just an average Joe. But on radio, I can take listeners to places they haven't seen, to times that are lost. And I've only begun to scratch the surface."

• "I wave the flag for the principles of our nation: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and that among those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Our principles and our potential: That's why I wave the flag."

• "When all is said and done, America will understand that Michael Moore smells like pancakes."

• [Martini music plays in background]"I know what you're saying <insert female caller's name here>, but I am a happily married man."

• "The world is so complicated... I'M TIRED, I WANNA CUPCAKE!"

• We are losing our National Sovereignty to the world, and we are losing our Personal Sovereignty to the state.

• [The] ACLU and Jesus... They don't get along.

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• When the going gets tough, Americans show up.

• Everyone is Hitler, except for me!

• All liberals are Nazis, but we should put every liberal in America into the gas chambers, like Hitler did to the Jews. And if you think I contradict myself, you're a Nazi too.

Nice hit piece guys

I love how you take quotes out of context to make him look like a madman. Quoting "Media Matters" is an acceptable source when it comes to slandering someone I guess. But hey, Obama needs to get re-elected right?

—This unsigned comment is by 71.220.225.82 (talk • contribs) .

There are no set or appointed creators of content here. Anyone is quite welcome to add such genuine quotes as they perceive would indicate the intellectual, rational and moral integrity of Mr. Beck. I am sure there are many such that can be found, as welll as those which would cast some assessments of such qualities into doubt. I myself have often removed clearly spurious quotations intended to defame Beck, other people, this project, or general humanity from this page as well as many others — but generally leave clearly sourced and credible quotes up, and generally object to their removal for merely partisan sensibilities — be they sensibilities labeled "right", "left", or anything else in the common political parlance of these times. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 03:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Slander is spoken, libel is printed. Truthfully recounting what Glenn Beck said is neither slander nor libel, even when you think his words reflect badly on him. Whether or not you agree with MMfA's fact checking and commentary, their quotations are accurate and sourced with video clips of Beck's words in context. — Robin Lionheart 05:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Media Matters is NOT a reliable source, and anyone who thinks they are (or says as much) just because they've got some audio and/or excerpts from a transcript hasn't thought things through (or has an agenda to push). When the full context of the audio/video/transcript not only discredits the argument being made (by "changing" the supposed meaning of the quote in question) but also shows that the person/organization that put the piece together assuredly did so knowing full well that they were distorting the facts (as is the case with any such clip that is directly taken from a national radio program or television show as the context is plain and clear and obviously was available to the person originally doing the quote-grabbing - that's where they got the excerpt, after all), then the person/organization involved is untrustworthy. THAT is objective fact, not the notion that "whether or not you agree with [them and what they do]" they're accurate because you and they say so and there's some out-of-context clip and a line telling you where it's from to "prove" it. See, for instance: Media Matters dishonest editing in support of their “smear” argument exposed, Media Matters Gives Glenn Beck’s Co-Hosts The Shirley Sherrod Edited Audio Treatment (more), Juan Williams Slams CNN and MSNBC for Their O'Reilly Smear! (smear generated by MM), For Standing With Beck, Media Matters Claims Palin Supports Terrorism, Video of MM et al spewing hatred: Journalism Watchdogs or Progressive Propagandists: Media Matters Massive Beck Hate Hypocrisy; and there's more where that came from. -- Glynth 08:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

[Ed.:] Needless to say, if you can find a quote on this wiki where additional context significantly changes the meaning, then supply it, Glynth.

Okay, let's look at those links you posted to rebut my assertion that MMfA's quotations are accurate, one by one:

• Morrissey, Ed (19 September 2009), Media Matters dishonest editing in support of their “smear” argument exposed 
  • This criticizes a MMfA video for quoting Beck hedgily saying that one of hoaxter James O'Keefe's phony ACORN sting videos seems to reveal a "potential admission of murder" of someone who was still alive, "Gosh, even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some 'groundwork' beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder.", without including his subsequent statements walking it further back, "I don't know but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa's husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he's dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody is asking questions." Beck's admissions of how lacking in basis was his groundless ACORN piece do not counter, but rather reinforce, MMfA's contention that Beck running this flimsy non-story shows why he is "not a journalist".
• Krakauer, Steve (6 August 2010), "Media Matters Gives Glenn Beck’s Co-Hosts The Shirley Sherrod Edited Audio Treatment (Update)", Mediaite 
  • Media Matters updated their post, correcting their headline and adding missing context to the clip.
• "'It's Rank Dishonesty!'", johnnydollar.us  which you title "Juan Williams Slams CNN and MSNBC for Their O'Reilly Smear! (smear generated by MM)"
  • This page presents a clip of Bill O'Reilly trying to justify his statement, which MMfA accurately quoted, that he "couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's Restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City". A larger context of O'Reilly discussing 'why people are afraid of blacks' does not make his statement any less racist.
• "Update: For Standing With Beck, Media Matters Claims Palin Supports Terrorism", The Blaze, 28 October 2010 
  • This disputes David Brock's commentary, but not the accuracy of their transcript which gives Palin's statement in full context.
• "Journalism Watchdogs or Progressive Propagandists: Media Matters Massive Beck Hate Hypocrisy", The Blaze, 21 October 2010 
  • This presents a video which builds a case that MMfA is hypocritical to call Glenn Beck out for name calling and hate speech, by assembling clips of MMfA members calling him "stupid", "unpatriotic", "dangerous", or "nuts". None of which disputes the accuracy of their quotations.

So, only two of your five articles dispute the accuracy of an MMfA quotation; the other three merely disagree with MMfA members' opinions. Only one of those two disputed quotes was misleading, until MMfA issued a correction for it. Got any actual misquotes? — Robin Lionheart 19:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

False, out-of-context, propaganda page

This entire page is a blatant smear attack, and should be removed as a whole and started over HONESTLY. Just like Wikipedia, the professional left-wing freaks are filling pages full of left-wing propaganda, and any attempts to clean it up end up in a futile non-ending edit war.

A picture of a pile of dead Jews from WW2 captioned with an out-of-context quote Beck made as part of a larger discussion of exposing and stamping out the rise in progressive ideology? That is simply sick.

Either Wikiquotes needs to ban all of these left-wing nuts sitting in their parents basements and posting out-of-context quotes, or as I suspect, Wikiquotes is RUN by some left-wing nut in their parents basement.

Seriously. If Beck is as evil as these FAKE and OUT OF CONTEXT quotes make him out to be, then surely you can find 2x as many REAL quotes with their FULL CONTEXT. Isn't honesty a bigger weapon, or are you left wing loons only interested in "The end justifies the means"? --216.114.194.20 23:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't characterize Glenn Beck's words as left-wing propaganda. Seems to me this page is full of the opposite.

Your repeated deletions of sourced, genuine quotes constitutes vandalism, 216. Stop it. ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 02:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)