Talk:Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia

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The page does contain quotable quotes by the likes of Hemphill, and many quotes that are quoted in secondary sources which proves that they have quotability.

Hemphill and Kennedy for instance have been quoted and cited many times in the literature, so they should certainly be quoted in this page.

There is no reason for mass deletions. IF you believe some quotes should be trimmed you could also add the cleanup template.

This is also an academic topic, so there can also be some quotes that are by academics, and some academic prose. Just because a quote uses some scientific words like Holocene does not mean that it is automatically un quotable, esp. if it has been quoted in a secondary source.

The quotes is also quoted by a secondary source. These are generally assumed to be quotable, as it proves that another published source has judged them to be quotable.DanielTom once said something to the effect that that would be a good benchmark to decide on quotability. The majority of quotes I added to theme articles are quotes that are quoted by somebody (X quoted by Y), although I have not always marked this, partly because another editor was against this practice of adding this bit of information. On wikiquote these are usually considered to be good enough to be quoted.

Also "pov" is not a reason for deletions, if an editor believes there is a bias, then different quotes should be added to balance the article, not quotes removed which could be censorship.

Wikiquote is not censored.

Removing quotes based on your perceived bias ("pov concerns"), because you don't like the alleged pov or opinion of quotes, is not ok. The deleted quotes also have a wide variety of opinions and are not just about one topic or pov. The first step to solve bias in wikiquote is to add quotes with differing pov's, not to mass delete quotes.

See this comment:

I put the quotes back, because they were properly sourced. If one is worried about imbalance, then one can add more positive and flattering quotes to balance it back out. Removing quotes because they may be seen as unflattering to a subject by some is considered to be POV whitewashing and goes against the impartial spirit of Wikiquote. Remember, the inclusion of a quote does not necessarily mean the endorsement of its content by Wikiquote. Regards, Illegitimate Barrister 22:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Or see this note on Burning Library's userpage :

The name "BurningLibrary" is a reference to a growing pessimism on my part that we may be headed towards a dystopian age of censorship and disinformation. I am gravely concerned that if we lose the ability to communicate freely with each other, we lose the only chance we have. Of course, one hopes that there is a way to avoid this outcome. User:BurningLibrary

And another admin has said that if a subject is notable and has made notable quotes relevant to a particular page, we have no limitation to the number of quotes by that subject that can be included in this compendium. ᘙ (talk) 19:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Bhalla lists a number of specific genes which are characteristically strong or weak in given racial types, and finds that they do define certain ethnic sub-groups of India, esp. the Mongoloid tribals of the northeast, the Negritos of the Andaman Islands, and the Australoids in the remaining tribal pockets of the south. Everywhere else, including in many tribal areas, the Mediterranean type is predominant, but the present battery of genetic markers was not able to distinguish between subtypes within this population, much less to indicate different waves of entry.
  • V. Bhalla: “Aspects of Gene Geography and Ethnic Diversity of the People of India”, in K.S. Singh: Ethnicity, Caste and People, P.51-60; specifically p.58. paraphrased in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• So as an illustration, let us examine how sound the conclusions and methodology used by BAMSHAD et al [2001] are. We observe - 1. The sample size is very small, and restricted to one district in coastal south India, to where migration of upper-castes from North India is attested even by Vedic texts (for instance the legend in Aitareya Brahmana mentioning that descendants of Visvamitras moved east and south to become Pundras, Sabaras, Andhras and so on). No statistical justification is given by the authors for what is prima-facie an insufficient sample size... The paper is silent on when these ‘Eurogenes’ entered the various castes of India. These genes could have well come during Shaka, Greek and Persian invasions and thus have nothing to do with the Aryans at all. The authors of the paper however assume that these genes were brought in by Aryans around 1500 BC.
  • About the paper by Bamshad et al. quoted in A Reply to Michael Witzel’s ‘Ein Fremdling im Rgveda’ (Journal of Indo-European Studies, Vol. 31, No.1-2: pp.107-185, 2003) by Vishal Agarwal 11 August 2003

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• Cavalli-Sforza and his team state that “Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene [=10000 to 3 mya] southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the Holocene [=c 10000 to present]. The phylogeography [=neighbouring branches] of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggest that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools”
  • square brackets added; Cavalli-Sforza 2003).Cavalli-Sforza et al 2003 'The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers ...' American Journal of Human Genetics 72 (313-32). Quoted from Kazanas, N. (2009). Indo-Aryan origins and other Vedic issues. Chapter 9

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• The difference between castes can in some cases be expressed in terms of the respective distances between their average characteristics and those of the European type. And this is only to be expected given the basic fact that India is a large country with great variation in physical type and lying in the border zone between the major races. The rich biological variety in the Indian chapter of the human species is due to many factors, but so far the Aryan Invasion has not been shown to be one of them.
  • Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

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• ...proto-Dravidians somewhere within the core range of modern Dravidians... the main directions of dispersal would have been out from the Deccan towards its peripheries and zones of isolation (Fuller 2003: 207-208).
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Fuller D. 2003. An agricultural perspective on Dravidian historical linguistics: archaeological crop packages, livestock and Dravidian crop vocabulary. In: Bellwood P, Renfrew C, editors. Examining the farming/language dispersal hypothesis. Cambridge: McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research. pp 191–213.

• A telling illustration comes to us from a recent sensational cover story in India Today (Friese 2018)....This not only betrays the singular absence of understanding of the issues involved, but also dubious journalistic ethics: the article’s objective was not a dispassionate study of the issues concerned, but to deal ‘Hindutva’ a mortal blow – not exactly an ideal recipe for scientific investigations.
  • Friese K 2018 4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists. India Today
  • in Danino, M. (2019). Methodological issues in the Indo-European debate. Journal of Biosciences, 44(3), 68.

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These are all dry chunks of prose with no aesthetic value. Consider the very first quote: "Indeed, nearly all Europeans — and by extension, many Americans — can trace their ancestors to only four mtDNA lines, which appeared between 10,000 and 50,000 years ago and originated from South Asia." -- this is merely conveying information; there is nothing beautiful or memorable about the words themselves, which could be paraphrased in an explanatory note. Ficaia (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Another differing view was published in Nature in 2009. An Indo-U.S. team directed by David Reich introduced the concepts of Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ASI) and found them genetically divergent....With such a poor distribution, it is hard to take seriously the concepts of ANI and ASI, which, moreover, are hardly defined; it may be asked whether introducing them does not also introduce an artificial division among Indian populations. The authors were however careful enough to qualify their conclusions: We warn that models in population genetics should be treated with caution. Although they provide an important framework for testing historical hypotheses, they are oversimplifications. For example, the true ancestral populations of India were probably not homogeneous as we assume in our model, but instead were probably formed by clusters of related groups that mixed at different times. (Reich et al. 2009: 492)" -- come on now, how is this quotable? You haven't even bothered to remove the inline citation: is that quotable too? Are the acronyms quotable?

Our first duty is to the English-speaking reader with no specialist understanding of the topic. The mountain of disconnected, poorly formatted and ill-chosen prose below is only going to confuse them. Ficaia (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Quotes can be subjective. the first quote above is in my opinion at least memorable. The quotes you added to this page also have little aesthetic value, they also just convey their opinions or interpretations and thus may be interesting but no aesthetic value. But this is an academic topic, not a topic where one expects to find quotes of aesthetic value. Some academic jargon in an article like this can be expected. I agreed that there could be some trimming and already started trimming, but again, you are deleting too much. --ᘙ (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Given the fact that you have added dry academic prose or "statement of facts" [1] [2], I must assume that you now agree that short quotes from academic papers can be quoted, despite previous objections to academic prose or "statement of facts". Of course, the quotes should not be too long, as some previously were. --ᘙ (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think the 2 quotes I added are particularly memorable; I only added them quickly to save the article, as you obviously object to redirecting it.

But they are more memorable than the following: "Cavalli-Sforza and his team state that “Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene [=10000 to 3 mya] southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the Holocene [=c 10000 to present]. The phylogeography [=neighbouring branches] of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggest that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools”. Which is followed by another, very technical (and completely unrelated) quote: "...whether any of these can be singled out as more autochthonous than others. However ... this would be highly problematic, first, because the language families involved are generally believed to be far younger than the time frame required for the peopling of India. Secondly, such autochthonous Indian-specific mtDNA and Y chromosome lineage groups are widely spread across language borders in the subcontinent ... and the putative language shifts make it hard to infer the original tongue for every population studied even during the historic period and perhaps impossible for earlier times. Thus, the present-day linguistic affinities of different Indian populations per se are perhaps among the most ambiguous and even potentially controversial lines of evidence in the reconstruction of prehistoric demographic processes in India. (Chaubey et al. 2007: 97)...Most of the Indian-specific mtDNA haplogroups show coalescent times 40,000-60,000 YBP. (Chaubey et al. 2007: 97)"

Also, please try and format your citations correctly. In many cases you have been moving quotes back into articles without making any improvements. I don't think it's too much to ask that you italicise and capitalise titles. You also have a habit of including an extra space before a colon (:). Ficaia (talk) 02:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

You'll notice that (here) the quote is contextualised. Ficaia (talk) 02:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

"*As for the question of biological continuity within the Indus Valley, two discontinuities appear to exist. The first occurs between 6000 and 4500 BC and is reflected by the strong separation in dental non-metric characters between neolithic and chalcolithic burials at Mehrgarh. The second occurs at some point after 800 BC but before 200 BC. In the intervening period, while there is dental non-metric, craniometric, and cranial non-metric evidence for a degree of internal biological continuity, statistical evaluation of cranial data reveals clear indications of interaction with the West and specifically with the Iranian Plateau." -- quotable how? Who would bother memorising this? The point here is the facts being conveyed not the words themselves. You could paraphrase this and nothing would be lost. Ficaia (talk) 02:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

This was added because it is actually quoted and cited very often. If the quotes from academic papers you added should stay, then there is no reason for this one not to stay. --ᘙ (talk) 10:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

"* The anthropologists who have recently described the skeletons from Harappa remark that there, as at Lothal, the population would appear, on the available evidence, to have remained more or less stable to the present day.

• • Sir M. Wheeler: The Indus Civilization, Cambridge University Press 1968, p.72. Quoted in K.D. Sethna: The Problem of Aryan Origins, Aditya Prakashan, New Delhi 1992 (1980), p.20. Also quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan." -- ditto

Ficaia (talk) 03:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

This is a quote about the topic, summarizing his views at his time, and Wheeler is an eminent archaeologist. I don't understand you reason for removing Wheeler.

I'm starting to think it would be better if this article should be about quotes about the topic, and not selected extracts from the many academic papers. I have added two main sections, and I propose to remove the section on "Quotes from academic articles". There is a large amount of technical academic papers that could be quoted in this section, which would all have the problem of "academic prose", but it would be better, if this article is about quotes about the topic, either summarizing views, or about the politics of the topic. --ᘙ (talk) 10:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Indeed, nearly all Europeans — and by extension, many Americans — can trace their ancestors to only four mtDNA lines, which appeared between 10,000 and 50,000 years ago and originated from South Asia.
  • William F. Allman, “Eve Explained: How Ancient Humans Spread Across the Earth” (Discovery Channel, 21 August 2004). and quoted in GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

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• In reading the genetics literature on South Asia, it is very clear that many of the studies actually start out with some assumptions that are clearly problematic, if not in some cases completely untenable. Perhaps the single most serious problem concerns the assumption, which many studies actually start with as a basic premise, that the Indo-Aryan invasions are a well-established (pre)historical reality. The studies confirm such invasions in large part because they actually assume them to begin with... Part of the reason that many geneticists prove Indo-Aryan invasions so frequently is that they give little if any consideration to other populations that have or may have entered South Asia in prehistoric and historic times.... Another problematic assumption in_ the genetics literature is that caste is unchanging.
  • Boivin N. 2007. Anthropological, historical, archaeological and genetic perspectives on the origins of caste in South Asia. In: Petraglia MD, Allchin B, editors. The evolution and history of human populations in South Asia: inter‐disciplinary studies in archaeology, biological anthropology, lin- guistics and genetics. Dordrecht: Springer. pp 341–361.
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence

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• Cavalli-Sforza and his team state that “Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene [=10000 to 3 mya] southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the Holocene [=c 10000 to present].
  • square brackets added; Cavalli-Sforza 2003).Cavalli-Sforza et al 2003 'The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers ...' American Journal of Human Genetics 72 (313-32). Quoted from Kazanas, N. (2009). Indo-Aryan origins and other Vedic issues. Chapter 9

• ...whether any of these can be singled out as more autochthonous than others. However ... this would be highly problematic, first, because the language families involved are generally believed to be far younger than the time frame required for the peopling of India. Secondly, such autochthonous Indian-specific mtDNA and Y chromosome lineage groups are widely spread across language borders in the subcontinent ... and the putative language shifts make it hard to infer the original tongue for every population studied even during the historic period and perhaps impossible for earlier times. Thus, the present-day linguistic affinities of different Indian populations per se are perhaps among the most ambiguous and even potentially controversial lines of evidence in the reconstruction of prehistoric demographic processes in India. (Chaubey et al. 2007: 97)...Most of the Indian-specific mtDNA haplogroups show coalescent times 40,000-60,000 YBP. (Chaubey et al. 2007: 97)
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Chaubey, Gyaneshwer, Mait Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild & Richard Villems. 2007. Peopling of South Asia: Investigating the CasteñTribe Continuum in India. Bio Essays 29: 91-100.

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• Migrations into India “did occur, but rarely from western Eurasian populations.” Disotell made observations very similar to those of the preceding paper: “The supposed Aryan invasion of India 3,000–4,000 years before present therefore did not make a major splash in the Indian gene pool. This is especially counter-indicated by the presence of equal, though very low, frequencies of the western Eurasian mtDNA types in both southern and northern India. Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’ — that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.”...
  Recent work suggests that the supposed Aryan invasion of India 3,000-4,000 years ago was much less significant than is generally believed.
  • T. R. Disotell, “Human evolution: the southern route to Asia” in Current Biology, vol. 9, No. 24, 16 December 1999, pp. R925-928(4).
  • in GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.) also quoted in Elst, Koenraad (2007). Asterisk in bharopiyasthan: Minor writings on the Aryan invasion debate.

• [There is ] “a genetic continuum between the Harappans and the present‐day people of the region” (Dutta, 1984: 73);
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Dutta PC. 1984. Biological anthropology of Bronze Age Harappans: new perspectives. In: Lukacs JR, editor. The people of South Asia: the biological anthropology of India, Pakistan, and Nepal. New York: Plenum Press. pp 59–75.

• The idea of investigating the genetic continuity of the Harappans led Dutta to examine some modern crania in the anatomy department of the Christian Medical College, Ludhiana (about 160 km to the east–south-east of the site of Harappa) and he tentatively reaches the conclusion that the results ‘suggest a genetic continuum between the Harappans and the present-day people of the region’. This continuity of population has also been suggested by a brief mention of the results of unpublished studies on the skeletons excavated at Dholavira.
  • Dutta PC. quoted/cited in Dilip K. Chakrabarti - India An Archaeological History Palaeolithic Beginnings to Early Historic Foundations (2010, Oxford University Press)

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• ...a rapid dispersal of modern humans from eastern Africa and subsequent settlement of South Asia. A single exodus along a southern, possibly coastal, route is a parsimonious conclusion to draw from contemporary patterns of haploid genetic distribution and diversity. ... The population movements of the Holocene, together with the appearance of West Eurasian mtDNA lineages in the period 40ñ20 ka, indicate that South Asia has indeed been at the crossroads for much of modern human prehistory, but that the autochthonous elements of its genetic heritage have not been dominated by these later comings and goings. (Endicott et al. 2007: 240)...
  The Austro‐Asiatic and Tibeto‐Burman language groups may retain a distinctive genetic signature due to their relatively recent introduction and limited subsequent male gene flow. However, consistent divisions between populations speaking Dravidian and Indo‐Aryan languages are harder to define with reliability. The complex and intertwined history of changes in language, subsistence patterns, demography and political intervention, makes it difficult to relate genetic patterns to these widespread linguistic categories. The evidence from mtDNA argues against any strong differentiation between these (and other) major language groups …, and therefore nullifies attempts to trace, maternally, the large‐scale population movements once speculated to have accompanied the arrival of Indo‐Aryan languages. (Endicott et al., 2007: 238)... will continue to emphasize the genetically complex patterns present, and are increasingly unlikely to support reductionist explanations of simplistic demographic and cultural scenarios. Rather, they should put weight behind the suggestion that West and South Asia, as conduits for the settlement of the rest of the world, are central to comprehending modern human evolution outside of Africa. (Endicott et al., 2007: 240)
  • Endicott P, Metspalu M, Kivisild T. 2007. Genetic evidence on modern human dispersals in South Asia: Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA perspectives: the world through the eyes of two hap- loid genomes. In: Petraglia MD, Allchin B, editors. The evolution and history of human popula- tions in South Asia: inter‐disciplinary studies in archaeology, biological anthropology, linguistics and genetics. Dordrecht: Springer.
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• I frowned when I saw genetic findings being mustered as proof against the linguistic AIT. Confusing language movements with demographic movements was a childhood disease of Indo-European linguistics before 1945. Especially after Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species (1859), race thinking came to dominate the Humanities. There were warnings from Indo-Europeanists, including the much-maligned Friedrich Max Müller, to maintain the distinction, but the public and many professionals started speaking of “the Aryan race”, not in the vague sense common earlier (race = any group of hereditary belonging, from family to nation and race to humanity, Sanskrit jāti), but in the biological sense. After 1945, this went completely out of fashion in the West, but in India, not encumbered with the guilt about Nazi racism, time has stood still. ... Other activist Hindus, by contrast, feel vindicated in their long-standing support for the AIT. Indeed, there exists a casteist-racist fringe among Brahmins who feel flattered by the claim that they descend from foreign conquerors and that they imposed the caste system as a racial Apartheid system. Outsiders including Joseph may not know about this, but any defence of the AIT plays into the hand of the most regressive elements of Hindu society. In the West too, the AIT is not only an unassailable orthodoxy in academe, it also serves as ideological backbone for some remaining racist ideologues...
  • Elst, Koenraad (2018). Still no trace of an Aryan invasion: A collection on Indo-European origins.

• Many geneticists themselves don’t properly understand the Aryan debate, already two centuries old before genetics became a useful instrument in reconstructing migrations in history. The first studies in this field, finding e.g. that some genes were strikingly common between North India and Eastern Europe, contained conclusions that were at best not in conflict with the Aryan invasion scenario but did not prove it at all. In casu, they may at that stage have shown up grounds for either an India-to-Europe movement or a Europe-to-India movement without being able to decide between the two. Yet, they concluded in favour of the AIT because they retrofitted their own newfound data into the theory that, they heard, had already been proven by the linguists.... This is the so-called “circular argument of authority”: first you feed an expert a story, then he himself comes out with that same story, and then you can claim that your own little story has been confirmed by a world expert, thus giving it more authority. ... In the Aryan debate, the same thing has happened: the AIT viewpoint is first fed to experts from other fields, such as genetics, and then these view the data in their own field through the glasses which their partisan friends have put on their noses. The geneticists... clearly have no independent grasp of the Aryan debate... Though the geneticists certainly live up to the scientific method when it comes to handling genetic data; when they approach the AIT as possible explanation, they become mere followers of convention... But note that the scientists admit that they have not studied the link between their genetic data and the identification of the purported migrants as Indo-European: this is only “attributed” and “inferred”, meaning “borrowed on trust from our Indo-Europeanist informers”, all of them wedded to the AIT. They do not make a professional claim for the AIT, that is only a speculative afterthought, merely for genetically attested movements.
  • Elst, Koenraad (2018). Still no trace of an Aryan invasion: A collection on Indo-European origins.

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• Physical anthropology, in its current state, is of no use to us to assess the possibility of these migrations... Nothing in the osteometric data shows that relationships existed between the populations of the Oxus Civilization and those of the steppes: these populations are separate, different. This would prove that if there were migrations, they were not significant at that time. Mixtures of steppe and oasis populations do not become significant until the time when corpses disappear through cremation or exposure. Recent research tends to show the weight of the permanence of local populations since the Chalcolithic, but this in no way excludes limited exchanges.
  • p 302 Henri-Paul Francfort. La civilisation de l'Oxus et les Indo-Iraniens et Indo-Aryens en Asie centrale. 2005, in: G. Fussman, J. Kellens, H.-P. Francfort, X. Tremblay, Aryas, Ariens et Iraniens en Asie centrale

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• With closest biological affinities outside the Indus Valley to the inhabitants of Tepe Hissar 3 (3000–2000 BC), these biological data can be interpreted to suggest that peoples to the west interacted with those in the Indus Valley during this and the preceding proto-Elamite period and thus may have influenced the development of the Harappan civilization. The second biological discontinuity exists between the inhabitants of Harappa, Chalcolithic Mehrgarh, and post-Harappa Timarghara on one hand and the Early Iron Age inhabitants of Sarai Khola on the other... The Harappan Civilization does indeed represent an indigenous development within the Indus Valley, but this does not indicate isolation extending back to Neolithic times. Rather, this development represents internal continuity for only 2000 years, combined with interactions with the West and specifically with the Iranian Plateau.
  • Hemphill, B. E., J. R. Lukacs, and K. A. R. Kennedy, 1991. “Biological Adaptations and Affinities of Bronze Age Harappans.” In Harappa Excavations 1986–1990, edited by R. H. Meadow. Madison, WI: Prehistory Press, pp. 137–82. (Hemphill et al. 1991: 174) quoted in : Bryant, E. F., & Patton, L. L. (2005). The Indo-Aryan controversy : evidence and inference in Indian history. Routledge page 31

• As for the question of biological continuity within the Indus Valley, two discontinuities appear to exist. The first occurs between 6000 and 4500 BC and is reflected by the strong separation in dental non-metric characters between neolithic and chalcolithic burials at Mehrgarh. The second occurs at some point after 800 BC but before 200 BC. In the intervening period, while there is dental non-metric, craniometric, and cranial non-metric evidence for a degree of internal biological continuity, statistical evaluation of cranial data reveals clear indications of interaction with the West and specifically with the Iranian Plateau.
  • Hemphill, Brian E. "Biological adaptations and affinities of Bronze Age Harappans." Harappa Excavations 1986-1990: A Multidisciplinary Approach to Third Millennium Urbanism (Monographs in World Archaeology No. 3) (1991): 137-182. p 137, [3] quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• Parpola’s suggestion of movement of Proto-Rg-Vedic Aryan speakers into the Indus Valley by 1800 BC is not supported by our data. Gene flow from Bactria occurs much later, and does not impact Indus Valley gene pools until the dawn of the Christian era.
  • [A study, not on crude skull types but on the far more precise genetic traits, confirms the absence of an immigration from Central Asia in the second millennium BC. Brian E. Hemphill and Alexander F. Christensen report on their study of the migration of genetic traits]
  • Hemphill & Christensen: “The Oxus Civilization as a Link between East and West: A Non-Metric Analysis of Bronze Age Bactrain Biological Affinities”, paper read at the South Asia Conference, 3-5 November 1994, Madison, Wisconsin; p. 13. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• The data provide no support for any model of massive migration and gene flow between the oases of Bactria and the Indus Valley. Rather, patterns of phenetic affinity best conform to a pattern of long-standing, but low-level bidirectional mutual exchange.
  • HEMPHILL, B. E., 1998, " Biological Affinities and Adaptations of Bronze Age Bactrians : HI. An Initial Craniometric Assessment ", American Journal of Physical Anthropoogy, 106, 329-348. -, 1999, " Biological Affinities and Adaptations of Bronze Age Bactrians : III. A Craniometric Investigation of Bactrian Origins ", American Journal of Physical Anthropoogy, 108, 173-192. Quoted in p. 302. Henri-Paul Francfort. La civilisation de l'Oxus et les Indo-Iraniens et Indo-Aryens en Asie centrale. 2005, in: G. Fussman, J. Kellens, H.-P. Francfort, X. Tremblay, Aryas, Ariens et Iraniens en Asie centrale

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• K. Kennedy (1984), however, who was able to examine all three hundred skeletons that had been retrieved from the Indus Valley Civilization, found that the ancient Harappans "are not markedly different in their skeletal biology from the present-day inhabitants of Northwestern India and Pakistan" (102). He considers any physical variations in the skeletal record to be perfectly normal for a metropolitan setting and consistent with any urban population past or present (103). As far as he is concerned, the polytypism in the South Asian record represents an "overlap of relatively homogeneous tribal and outcaste groups and their penetration into villages, then into urban environments of more heterogeneous people." There is no need to defer to intruding aliens for any of this: "This dynamic rather than mass migration and invasions of nomadic and warlike peoples better accounts for the biological constitutions of those earlier urban populations in the Indus valley." Here, again, we encounter the same objections raised repeatedly by South Asian archaeologists: "Of the Aryans, we must defer to literary and linguistic scholars in whose province lies the determination of the arrival and nature of the linguistic phenomenon we call the Aryans. . . . But archaeological evidence of Aryan- speaking peoples is questionable and the skeletal evidence is nil" (104).
  • K. Kennedy (1984) in Bryant, E. F. (2001). The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture : the Indo-Aryan migration debate. Oxford University Press.

• Not only is the skeletal evidence nil, but "if invasions of exotic races had taken place by Aryan hordes, we should encounter obvious discontinuities in the prehistoric skeletal record that correspond with a period around 1500 BC." Whatever discontinuities do occur in the record are either far too late or far too early (Kennedy 1995, 58). These discontinuities were taken from a further study undertaken on the skeletal remains in the Harappan phase "Cemetery R37" (Hemphill et al. 1991). The results of this survey showed two periods of discontinuities: the first occurs during the period between 6000 and 4500 B.C.E. between the Neolithic and Chalcolithic inhabitants of Mehrgarh, and the second at some point before 200 B.C.E. (but after 800 B.C.E.), which is visible in the remains at Sarai Khola (200 B.C.E.). Clearly, neither of these biological discontinuities corresponds with the commonly accepted period for Indo-Aryan intrusions. The Aryans have not been located in the skeletal record.
  • Kennedy 1995 in Bryant, E. F. (2001). The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture : the Indo-Aryan migration debate. Oxford University Press.

• [Kennedy also notes the anthropological continuity between the Harappan population and that of the contemporaneous Gandhara (eastern Afghanistan)101 culture, which in an Aryan invasion scenario should be the Indo-Aryan settlement just prior to the Aryan invasion of India:] “Our multivariate approach does not define the biological identity of an ancient Aryan population, but it does indicate that the Indus Valley and Gandhara peoples shared a number of craniometric, odontometric and discrete traits that point to a high degree of biological affinity.”
  • Kenneth A. R. Kennedy: “Have Aryans been identified in the prehistoric skeletal record from South Asia?”, in George Erdosy, ed.: The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia, p.49. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• How could one recognize an Aryan, living or dead, when the biological criteria for Aryanness are non- existent? (Kennedy 1995: 61)... Biological anthropologists remain unable to lend support to any of the theories concerning an Aryan biological or demographic entity.... What the biological data demonstrate is that no exotic races are apparent from laboratory studies of human remains excavated from any archaeological sites.... All prehistoric human remains recovered thus far from the Indian subcontinent are phenotypically identifiable as ancient South Asians.... In short, there is no evidence of demographic disruptions in the north-western sector of the subcontinent during and immediately after the decline of the Harappan culture. (Kennedy 1995: 60, 54)
  • Kennedy 1995 quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• [Kenneth A.R. Kennedy reaches similar conclusions from his physical-anthropological data:] “Evidence of demographic discontinuities is present in our study, but the first occurs between 6000 and 4500 BC (a separation of the Neolithic and Chalcolithic populations of Mehrgarh) and the second is after 800 BC, the discontinuity being between the peoples of Harappa, Chalcolithic Mehrgarh and post-Harappan Timargarha on the one hand and the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age inhabitants of Sarai Khola on the other. In short, there is no evidence of demographic disruptions in the northwestern sector of the subcontinent during and immediately after the decline of the Harappan culture. If Vedic Aryans were a biological entity represented by the skeletons from Timargarha, then their biological features of cranial and dental anatomy were not distinct to a marked degree from what we encountered in the ancient Harappans.”
  • K.A.R. Kennedy: “Have Aryans been identified in the prehistoric skeletal record from South Asia?”, in George Erdosy, ed.: The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia, p.49. On p.42, Kennedy quotes the suggestion that “not only the end of the [Harappan] cities but even their initial impetus may have been due to Indo-European speaking peoples”, by B. and F.R. Allchin: The Birth of Indian Civilization, Penguin 1968, p. 144. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• This neatly fits the earlier findings of non-genetic (morphological) physical anthropology, viz. that the population type of northwestern India has remained the same for at least 8,000 years.... In deference to established Indological opinion, the biologists make a perfunctory nod toward the “supposed” Aryan invasion, only to state that they have found no evidence for this popular supposition: “Their low frequency [i.e. of the West-Asia-related genes] but still general spread all over India plus the estimated time scale does not support a recent massive Aryan invasion, at least as far as maternally inherited genetic lineages are concerned.”
  • Current Biology (London), vol.9, nrs.22 and 24, by T. Kivisild et al. (“Deep common ancestry of Indian and Western-Eurasian mitochonrdial DNA lineages”), quoted in Elst, Koenraad (2007). Asterisk in bharopiyasthan: Minor writings on the Aryan invasion debate.with quote of “Deep common ancestry of Indian and Western-Eurasian mitochonrdial DNA lineages”

• We found an extensive deep late Pleistocene genetic link between contemporary Europeans and Indians, provided by the mtDNA haplogroup U, which encompasses roughly a fifth of mtDNA lineages of both populations. Our estimate for this split [between Europeans and Indians] is close to the suggested time for the peopling of Asia and the first expansion of anatomically modern humans in Eurasia and likely pre-dates their spread to Europe.” ...the genetic affinity between the Indian subcontinent and Europe “should not be interpreted in terms of a recent admixture of western Caucasoids10 with Indians caused by a putative Indo-Aryan invasion 3,000–4,000 years BP.”
  • T. Kivisild, M. J. Bamshad, K. Kaldma, M. Metspalu, E. Metspalu, M. Reidla, S. Laos, J. Parik, W. S. Watkins, M. E. Dixon, S. S. Papiha, S. S. Mastana, M. R. Mir, V. Ferak, R. Villems, “Deep common ancestry of Indian and western-Eurasian mitochondrial DNA lineages” in Current Biology, 18 November 1999, 9(22):1331-4.
  • in GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

• In 2000 Kivisild and colleagues found that “even the high castes share more than 80 per cent of their maternal lineages with the lower castes and tribals.” Taking all aspects into consideration, the authors concluded that “there are now enough reasons not only to question a ‘recent Indo‐Aryan invasion’ into India some 4000 BP, but alternatively to consider India as a part of the common gene pool ancestral to the diversity of human maternal lineages in Europe” (Kivisild et al., 2000: 267–271).
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Kivisild T, Papiha SS, Rootsi S, Parik J, Kaldma K, … Villems R. 2000. An Indian ancestry: a key for understanding human diversity in Europe and beyond. In: Renfrew C, Boyle K, editors. Archaeogenetics: DNA and the population prehistory of Europe. Cambridge: McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research. pp 267–275

• “Indian and western Eurasian haplogroup U varieties differ profoundly; the split has occurred about as early as the split between the Indian and eastern Asian haplogroup M varieties. The data show that both M and U exhibited an expansion phase some 50,000 years ago, which should have happened after the corresponding splits.”... “We believe that there are now enough reasons not only to question a ‘recent Indo-Aryan invasion’ into India some 4000 BP, but alternatively to consider India as a part of the common gene pool ancestral to the diversity of human maternal lineages in Europe.”
  • Toomas Kivisild, Surinder S. Papiha, Siiri Rootsi, Jüri Parik, Katrin Kaldma, Maere Reidla, Sirle Laos, Mait Metspalu, Gerli Pielberg, Maarja Adojaan, Ene Metspalu, Sarabjit S. Mastana, Yiming Wang, Mukaddes Golge, Halil Demirtas, Eckart Schnakenberg, Gian Franco de Stefano, Tarekegn Geberhiwot, Mireille Claustres & Richard Villems, “An Indian Ancestry: a Key for Understanding Human Diversity in Europe and Beyond”, ch. 31 of Archaeogenetics: DNA and the population prehistory of Europe, ed. Colin Renfrew & Katie Boyle (Cambridge: McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, 2000), pp. 267-275.
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

• In 2003 Kivisild and colleagues questioned the correlation between subsistence categories and genetic difference. Their conclusions highlighted India’s genetic complexity and antiquity, since “present‐day Indians [possess] at least 90 per cent of what we think of as autoch- thonous Upper Paleolithic maternal lineages.” Significantly, “the Indian mtDNA tree in general [is] not subdivided according to linguistic (Indo‐European, Dravidian) or caste affiliations, although there may occur (sometimes drastic) population‐wise differences in frequencies of particular sub‐clusters” (Kivisild et al., 2003a: 216–221). In other words, their results found broad agreement with archaeology and anthropology in con- cluding that language and ethnicity cannot be mapped in a one‐to‐one correspondence relationship. ...
  present-day Indians [possess] at least 90 per cent of what we think of as autochthonous Upper Palaeolithic maternal lineages.... “the Indian mtDNA tree in general [is] not subdivided according to linguistic (Indo-European, Dravidian) or caste affiliations,”... the straightforward suggestion would be that both Neolithic (agriculture) and Indo-European languages arose in India and from there, spread to Europe.”
  • Toomas Kivisild, Siiri Rootsi, Mait Metspalu, Ene Metspalu, Juri Parik, Katrin Kaldma, Esien Usanga, Sarabjit Mastana, Surinder S. Papiha & Richard Villems, “The Genetics of Language and Farming Spread in India,” ch. 17 in Examining the farming/language dispersal hypothesis, eds. Peter Bellwood & Colin Renfrew (Cambridge: McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, 2003), pp. 215–222.
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence

• there is a “lack of clear distinction between Indian castes and tribes,”
  • T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, M. Metspalu, S. Mastana, K. Kaldma, J. Parik, E. Metspalu, M. Adojaan, H.-V. Tolk, V. Stepanov, M. Gölge, E. Usanga, S. S. Papiha, C. Cinnioglu, R. King, L. Cavalli-Sforza, P. A. Underhill & R. Villems, “The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations,” American Journal of Human Genetics 72(2):313-32, 2003.
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

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• Detailed anthropometric surveys carried out among the people of Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Bengal and Tamil Nadu revealed significant regional differences within a caste and a closer resemblance between castes of different varnas within a region than between sub-populations of the caste from different regions. On the basis of analysis of stature, cephalic and nasal index, H.K. Rakshit (1966) concludes that ‘the Brahmins of India are heterogeneous and suggest incorporation of more than one physical type involving more than one migration of people’.... “A more detailed study among eight Brahmin castes in Maharashtra on whom 18 metric, 16 scopic and 8 genetic markers were studied, revealed not only a great heterogeneity in both morphological and genetic characteristics but also showed that 3 Brahmin castes were closer to non-Brahmin castes than [to the] other Brahmin castes. P.P. Majumdar and K.C. Malhotra (1974) observed a great deal of heterogeneity with respect to OAB blood group system among 50 Brahmin samples spread over 11 Indian states. The evidence thus suggests that varna is a sociological and not a homogeneous biological entity.”
  • K.C. Malhotra: “Biological Dimensions to Ethnicity and caste in India”, in K.S. Singh: Ethnicity, Caste and People, Manohar, Delhi 1992, p.65. Reference is to H.K. Rakshit: “An Anthropometric Study of the Brahmins of India”, in Man in India #46; and P.P. Majumdar & K.C. Malhotra: OAB Dynamics in India: A Statistical Study, Calcutta 1974. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• [In the past, the Caucasian presence was also in evidence:] “Although a large number of prehistoric sites have been excavated in India, only a few of them have yielded human osseous remains (…) None of the pre-Mesolithic sites have yielded skeletal material; the earliest remains are around 8,000 years old. An examination of the morphological features of skeletons from sites of the Mesolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic and iron age periods reveals the presence of Australoids and Caucasoids in all the periods, the absence of Mongoloids, and the existence of at least two types of Caucasoids, the dolichocephals and the brachycephals (…) The skeletal evidence thus clearly establishes the presence of Australoids and Caucasoids in India for at least 8,000 years.”
  • Kailash C. Malhotra: “Biological Dimensions to Ethnicity and Caste in India”, in K.S. Singh: Ethnicity, Caste and People, p.63. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• “Language families present today in India, such as Indo-European, Dravidic and Austro-Asiatic, are all much younger than the majority of indigenous mtDNA lineages found among their present-day speakers at high frequencies. It would make it highly speculative to infer, from the extant mtDNA pools of their speakers, whether one of the listed above linguistically defined group in India should be considered more ‘autochthonous’ than any other in respect of its presence in the subcontinent.” ...
  The coalescence ages of the Indian- and Iranian- specific U7 clades suggest that the time-window of this continuum was closed by ca. 20,000 ybp. (Metspalu et al. 2004)
  • Metspalu M, Kivisild T, Metspalu E, Parik J, Hudjashov G, … Villems R. 2004. Most of the extant mtDNA boundaries in South and Southwest Asia were likely shaped during the initial settlement of Eurasia by anatomically modern humans. BMC Genetics 5(1): 26.
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• Indian populations are characterized by two major ancestry components, one of which is spread at comparable frequency and haplotype diversity in populations of South and West Asia and the Caucasus. The second component is more restricted to South Asia and accounts for more than 50% of the ancestry in Indian populationsî (Metspalu et al. 2011: 731). But the first component, shared with regions west of India, ìcannot be explained by recent gene flow, such as the hypothetical Indo-Aryan migrationî (Metspalu et al. 2011: 740). The evidence, instead, suggests multiple gene flows to the South Asian gene pool, both from the west and east, over a much longer time span (Metspalu et al. 2011: 741). The authors also offered a welcome reminder of the complexity of genetic origins in the Indian context: Several aspects of the nature of continuity and discontinuity of the genetic landscape of South Asia and West Eurasia still elude our understanding. Whereas the maternal gene pool of South Asia is dominated by autochthonous lineages, Y chromosome variants of the R1a clade are spread from India (ca 50%) to eastern Europe and their precise origin in space or time is still not well understood (Metspalu et al. 2011: 739).
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Metspalu Mait, Irene Gallego Romero, Bayazit Yunusbayev, Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Chandana Basu Mallick, Georgi Hudjashov, Mari Nelis, Reedik M‰gi, Ene Metspalu, Maido Remm, Ramasamy Pitchappan, Lalji Singh, Kumarasamy Thangaraj, Richard Villems & Toomas Kivisild. 2011. Shared and Unique Components of Human Population Structure and Genome-Wide Signals of Positive Selection in South Asia. The American Journal of Human Genetics. December 9, 89: 731-44.

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• [In fact, no “entry” of these Mediterranean Caucasians can be derived from the data, certainly not for the post-Harappan period. According to an older study, they were present even in South India in 2,000 BC at the latest:] “The evidence of two racial types, the Mediterranean and the Autochthonous proto-Australoid, recognized in the study of the skeletal remains from the neolithic levels at Brahmagiri, Piklihal, Tekkalakota, Nevasa etc., seems to suggest that there was a thick population consisting mainly of these two races in South India around 2000 BC.”
  • B. Narasimhaiah: Neolithic and Megalithic Cultures in Tamil Nadu, Sundeep Prakashan, Delhi 1980, p.195: quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• Another recent coinage is that of ‘peripheral Indus’, with the associated assumption the ‘Indus Periphery-related people are the single most important source of ancestry in South Asia’ and specifically of the Harappans (Narasimhan et al. 2018). Clearly, ‘Indus Periphery-related people’ are another case of a concept carrying its own built-in conclusion. The authors not only disregard all that is known of the subcon- tinent’s many Neolithic populations, but do not stop to ask why archaeology is silent on the arrival of such people, while it is loud on the presence of Harappans in Central Asia and beyond.
  • Narasimhan VM, Patterson NJ, Moorjani P, Lazaridis I, Mark L, Mallick S, et al. 2018 The genomic formation of south and central Asia. quoted, cited in Danino, M. (2019). Methodological issues in the Indo-European debate. Journal of Biosciences, 44(3), 68.

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• We find the highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia, but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the South, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a “male Aryan invasion” of India. One average estimate for the origin of this line in India is as much as 51,000 years. All this suggests that M17 could have found his way initially from India or Pakistan, through Kashmir, then via Central Asia and Russia, before finally coming into Europe. (Oppenheimer, 2003: 152)
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Oppenheimer S. 2003. The real Eve: modern man’s journey out of Africa. New York: Carroll & Graf.

• Another geneticist, S. Oppenheimer, offers independent confirmation (2003) that there was no Aryan entry, either male or female; he focuses on the M17, or so-called “Caucasoid” (=Aryan!), genetic marker: “South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a ‘male Aryan invasion’ of India” .
  • (2003: 152:Oppenheimer S. 2003 The Real Eve: Modern Man's Journey out of Africa NY, Carroll & Graf. Quoted from Kazanas, N. (2009). Indo-Aryan origins and other Vedic issues. Chapter 9

• Oppenheimer, a leading advocate of this scenario, summarizes it in these words: “For me and for Toomas Kivisild, South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find the highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia, but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a ‘male Aryan invasion’ of India. One average estimate for the origin of this line in India is as much as 51,000 years. All this suggests that M17 could have found his way initially from India or Pakistan, through Kashmir, then via Central Asia and Russia, before finally coming into Europe.”
  • Stephen Oppenheimer, The Real Eve, p. 152., in GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

• First, that the Europeans’ genetic homeland was originally in South Asia in the Pakistan/Gulf region over 50,000 years ago; and second, that the Europeans’ ancestors followed at least two widely separated routes to arrive, ultimately, in the same cold but rich garden. The earliest of these routes was the Fertile Crescent. The second early route from South Asia to Europe may have been up the Indus into Kashmir and on to Central Asia, where perhaps more than 40,000 years ago hunters first started bringing down game as large as mammoths.
  • Stephen Oppenheimer, (pp. 153-154 of The Real Eve) quoted in Was The Indian Sub-Continent The Original Genetic Homeland Of The Europeans? , S Kak

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• Another differing view was published in Nature in 2009. An Indo-U.S. team directed by David Reich introduced the concepts of Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ASI) and found them genetically divergent....With such a poor distribution, it is hard to take seriously the concepts of ANI and ASI, which, moreover, are hardly defined; it may be asked whether introducing them does not also introduce an artificial division among Indian populations. The authors were however careful enough to qualify their conclusions: We warn that models in population genetics should be treated with caution. Although they provide an important framework for testing historical hypotheses, they are oversimplifications. For example, the true ancestral populations of India were probably not homogeneous as we assume in our model, but instead were probably formed by clusters of related groups that mixed at different times. (Reich et al. 2009: 492)
  • David Reich, cited/quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3 . Reich D, Thangaraj K, Patterson N, Price AL and Singh L 2009 Reconstructing Indian population history. Nature 461 489–494
  • Danino M 2014 Genetics and the Aryan issue; in History of ancient India, vol. 3: the texts, political history and administration till c. 200 BC (eds) DK Chakrabarti and M Lal (New Delhi: Vivekananda International Foundation & Aryan Books Interna- tional) pp 44–64

• The circularity of the ‘Ancestral North Indians’ (ANI) vs ‘Ancestral South Indians’ (ASI) concept is another case in point. Reich (2018) admits that he thought it up overnight simply to avert serious differences with his Indian collaborators. No precise definition was ever given to these two supposedly highly distinct groups; they were simply stated to be ‘genetically divergent’ (Reich et al. 2009) and were used in several subsequent studies as though they had been rigorously established. Elsewhere (Danino 2014), I showed that the populations sampled were very seriously restricted, since 18 states of India had either no representation or only one group represented in the 2009 study. Despite such a skewed distribution, Reich et al. exuded confidence in the newly coined terms and found it ‘tempting to assume that the population ancestral to ANI and CEU [Europeans] spoke ‘‘Proto-Indo-European’’ … ’ (Reich et al. 2009, p. 492) – a gratuitous association built, again, on circularity.
  • David Reich, cited/quoted in in Danino, M. (2019). Methodological issues in the Indo-European debate. Journal of Biosciences, 44(3), 68. Reich D, Thangaraj K, Patterson N, Price AL and Singh L 2009 Reconstructing Indian population history. Nature 461 489–494

• Professionals in the field will of course protest that such sensational journalism should not be taken as a reflection on their work. True, but politics does at times seem to lurk in the background of recent archaeogenetic studies. In a recent work, Reich (2018) rightly complained against ‘biologically based nationalism’, citing the example of Nazism and continuing in the next sentence with ‘the Hindutva ideology that there was no major contribution to Indian culture from migrants from outside South Asia’. Typically, Reich neither defines ‘Hindutva ideology’ nor supplies any reference to an assumed Hindutva ideologist actually denying any such ‘major contribution’, which would be a prodigiously ignorant statement to make in view of the known historical immigrations. We have no way to know who or what work he is actually referring to, and it does look at times as if ‘Hindutva ideology’ is little more than an all-weather bogeyman. If so, then Reich’s work is vulnerable to the charge of being prejudiced and leaning towards predetermined conclusions designed to oppose the said bogeyman. Other illustrations of such prejudices are involved in the issue of circularity.
  • David Reich, cited/quoted in in Danino, M. (2019). Methodological issues in the Indo-European debate. Journal of Biosciences, 44(3), 68. Reich D 2018 Who We Are and How We Got here: Ancient DNA and the New science of the human past (New York: Pantheon Books)

• Most genetic studies are built on unstated, unproven (and often unwitting) assumptions: not only that migration is the supreme mechanism to account for the spread of genes and languages, but also that, in India’s case, the said genes could only have spread unidirectionally. The studies then proceed to marshal evidence to ‘prove’ the assumption, in a classic case of circularity. We find Reich (2018), for instance, asserting that ‘In the Rig Veda, the [Indo-Aryan] invaders had horses and chariots’. As has often been pointed out – in vain, apparently – the text does not offer a single reference to Vedic clans as ‘invaders’ (the only geography they know of is the Saptasindhava and possibly parts of Afghanistan; no mention is made of an immigration from outside). But once those clans have been labelled ‘invaders’, the ‘evidence’ will naturally follow, but will perforce have to be selective. This device has been extensively used since the nineteenth century.
  • David Reich, cited/quoted in in Danino, M. (2019). Methodological issues in the Indo-European debate. Journal of Biosciences, 44(3), 68. Reich D 2018 Who We Are and How We Got here: Ancient DNA and the New science of the human past (New York: Pantheon Books)

• The noticeable genetic divergence of India from other regions is coupled with low levels of genetic divergence across the subgroups within India.
  • (Rosenberg et al. 2006: 2053) Rosenberg, Noah A., Saurabh Mahajan, Catalina Gonzalez-Quevedo, Michael G.B. Blum, Laura Nino-Rosales, Vasiliki Ninis, Parimal Das, Madhuri Hegde, Laura Molinari, Gladys Zapata, James L. Weber, John W. Belmont & Pragna I. Patel. 2006. Low Levels of Genetic Divergence Across Geographically and Linguistically Diverse Populations from India. PLoS Genetics 2(12): e215, 2052-61.
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• We have now shown that indeed haplogroup M occurs with a high frequency, averaging about 60%, across most Indian population groups, irrespective of geographical location of habitat. We have also shown that the tribal populations have higher frequencies of haplogroup M than caste populations. (Roychoudhury et al., 2000: 1189–1190) ...
  A year later, thirteen Indian scientists led by Susanta Roychoudhury studied 644 samples of mtDNA from some ten Indian ethnic groups, especially from the East and South. They found ìa fundamental unity of mtDNA lineages in India, in spite of the extensive cultural and linguistic diversityî, pointing to a relatively small founding group of females in India. (Roychoudhury et al. 2000: 1190) Significantly, most of the mtDNA diversity observed in Indian populations is between individuals within populations; there is no significant structuring of haplotype diversity by socio-religious affiliation, geographical location of habitat or linguistic affiliation. (Roychoudhury et al. 2000: 1187).
  • Roychoudhury S, Roy S, Dey B, Chakraborty M, Roy M, … Majumder PP. 2000. Fundamental genomic unity of ethnic India is revealed by analysis of mitochondrial DNA. Current Science 79(9): 1182–1192.
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

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• “The influence of Central Asia on the pre-existing gene pool was minor. ... There is no evidence whatsoever to conclude that Central Asia has been necessarily the recent donor and not the receptor of the R1a lineages.” This is also highly suggestive (the R1a lineages being a different way to denote the haplogroup M17). ...add to exitsting.. Another Indian biologist, Sanghamitra Sahoo, headed eleven colleagues, including T. Kivisild and V. K. Kashyap, for a study of the Y-DNA of 936 samples covering 77 Indian populations, 32 of them tribes.18 The authors left no room for doubt: “The sharing of some Y-chromosomal haplogroups between Indian and Central Asian populations is most parsimoniously explained by a deep, common ancestry between the two regions, with diffusion of some Indian- specific lineages northward.”...“The Y-chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-Aryan language family.”
  • Sanghamitra Sahoo, Anamika Singh, G. Himabindu, Jheelam Banerjee, T. Sitalaximi, Sonali Gaikwad, R. Trivedi, Phillip Endicott, Toomas Kivisild, Mait Metspalu, Richard Villems, & V. K. Kashyap, “A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: Evaluating demic diffusion scenarios,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 24 January 2006, vol. 103, No. 4, pp. 843–848. (Italics in one of the quotations are mine.)
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

• A more recent study (Sahoo ... Endicot, Kivisild... Kashyap 2006) concludes: “The Y- chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin of Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India” (p 843); then again: “It is not necessary, based on the current evidence, to look beyond South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. ... our findings do support a local origin of haplogroups F* and H” (p 847)
  • Sahoo S., Singh A., Kivisild T... et al 2006 ‘A Prehistory of Indian Y-chromosomes’ in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA) vol 103, no 4, 843-8.Quoted from Kazanas, N. (2009). Indo-Aryan origins and other Vedic issues. Chapter 9

• The Y‐chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo‐Aryan language family. (Sahoo et al., 2006: 843)
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Sahoo S, Singh A, Himabindu G, Banerjee J, Sitalaximi T, … Kashyap VK. 2006. A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: evaluating demic diffusion scenarios. PNAS 103(4): 843–848.

• In particular, “Southern castes and tribals are very similar to each other in their Y‐chromosomal haplogroup compositions,” so that “it was not possible to confirm any of the purported differentiations between the caste and tribal pools” (Sahoo et al., 2006: 845–847).
  • GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE Michel Danino* (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

• “There is no evidence whatsoever to conclude that Central Asia has been necessarily the recent donor and not the receptor of the R1a lineages” (Sengupta et al., 2006: 218; the R1a lineages being a different way to denote the haplogroup M17). Significantly, this study also noted: “Our data are also more consistent with a peninsular origin of Dravidian speakers than a source with proximity to the Indus … [There is] overwhelming support for an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers” (Sengupta et al., 2006: 202, 219).
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Sengupta S, Lev A, Zhivotovsky LA, King R, Mehdi SQ, … Underhill PA. 2006. Polarity and tempo- rality of high‐resolution Y‐chromosome distributions in India identify both indigenous and exoge- nous expansions and reveal minor genetic influence of Central Asian pastoralists. American Journal of Human Genetics 78(2): 202–221.

• "If pastoralists arrived recently, based upon linguistic and religious evidence on a track from the north via Bactria, S. Tajikistan and N.Afghanistan and the Hindu Kush into the N. Pakistan plains one would expect to see L3-M357 in India. Although this haplogroup occurs with an intermediate frequency in Pakistan (6.8%), it is very rare in India (0.4%)".
  • Sanghamitra Sengupta et al. 2006. “Polarity and Temporality of High Resolution Y-Chromosome Distributions in India”, publication in American Journal of Human Genetics (vol 76).

• “The Vedda, the Melano-Indians and the Indus people and the actual inhabitants of the northern half of India, which classical anthropology used to class as Mediterraneans, all belong to one same human ‘current’ of which they manifest the successive ‘waves’. Everything indicates, physical traits as well as geographical distribution, that the Vedda have arrived first, followed by the Melano-Indians, and then the Indus people.”... “The Italian anthropologist [Mario Cappieri] has emphasized not only that the skulls of Mohenjo Daro resemble those of today’s Sindh and those of Harappa resemble those of today’s Panjab, but even that the individual variability is identical today to what it was four thousand years ago.”
  • Bernard Sergent: Genèse de l’Inde, quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

• ...no consistent pattern of the exclusive presence and distribution of Y-haplogroups to distinguish the higher-most caste, Brahmins, from the lower-most ones, schedule castes and tribals....ìthe age of R1a1 was the highest in the Indian subcontinentî and concluded ìin favor of the suggestion that there has been no bulk migration from Central Asia to India.... Interestingly, among different groups, the age of Y-haplogroup R1a1 was highest in scheduled castes/tribes when compared with Central Asians and Eurasians. These observations weaken the hypothesis of introduction of this haplogroup and the origin of Indian higher most castes from Central Asian and Eurasian regions, supporting their origin within the Indian subcontinent (Sharma et al. 2009: 54). Their conclusion deserves to be quoted at some length: The observation of R1a in high frequency for the first time in the literature, as well as analyses using different phylogenetic methods, resolved the controversy of the origin of R1a1, supporting its origin in the Indian subcontinent. Simultaneously, the presence of R1a1 in very high frequency in Brahmins, irrespective of linguistic and geographic affiliations, suggested it as the founder haplogroup for the population. The co-presence of this haplogroup in many of the tribal populations of India, its existence in high frequency in Saharia (present study) and Chenchu tribes, the high frequency of R1a in Kashmiri Pandits (KPsóBrahmins) as well as Saharia (tribe) and associated phylogenetic ages supported the autochthonous origin and tribal links of Indian Brahmins, confronting the concepts of recent Central Asian introduction and rank-related Eurasian contribution of the Indian caste system. (Sharma et al. 2009: 54)
  • (Sharma et al. 2009: )quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• In 2009 Swarkar Sharma and colleagues came to a similar conclusion in their review of competing theses on the origins of the caste system. Based on a sample of 681 Brahmin and 2128 tribal and Scheduled Caste communities, the authors found “no consistent pattern of the exclusive presence and distribution of Y‐haplogroups to distinguish the higher‐most caste, Brahmins, from the lower‐most ones, schedule castes and tribals” (Sharma et al., 2009: 51). In their view, the Y‐haplogroup R1a1 holds the key to the origins of the caste system; exploring its frequency not only in India but also in the rest of Eurasia and Central Asia in particular, they found that “the age of R1a1 was the highest in the Indian subcon- tinent” and concluded “in favor of the suggestion that there has been no bulk migration from Central Asia to India” (Sharma et al., 2009: 54, 52). Besides, the age of Y‐haplogroup R1a1 was highest in scheduled castes/tribes when compared with Central Asians and Eurasians. These observations weaken the hypothesis of introduction of this haplogroup and the origin of Indian higher most castes from Central Asian and Eurasian regions. The authors, in fact, argue in favor of an “origin in the Indian subcontinent” of haplogroup R1a1 and “the autochthonous origin and tribal links of Indian Brahmins, confronting the concepts of recent Central Asian introduction and rank‐related Eurasian contribution of the Indian caste system” (Sharma et al., 2009: 54).
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Sharma S, Rai E, Sharma P, Jena M, Singh S, … Bamezai RNK. 2009. The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics 54(1): 47–55.

• The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1 substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the case system.
  • Sharma S. et al The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system 2009 quoted in N Kazanas, INDIGENISM AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE ARYAN-INVASION-THEORY. THE ADYAR LIBRARY BULLETIN 2014-15

• Such conclusions are implicitly endorsed in a 2007 study led by Jay T. Stock, which observes a general level of homogeneity among the South Asian samples.... An analysis of South Asian cranial morphology in the context of the global pattern of human variation suggests that populations of the Indian subcontinent have a relatively unique and homogenous pattern of cranial morphology.... [This] suggests that, independent of whether or not there was an important demographic event in the mid- Holocene [i.e., c. 4000 BC], there was relatively little gene flow from outside of south Asia afterwards. (Stock et al. 2007: 257, 262) The study also finds that the tribal/nontribal boundary has been genetically more fluid than generally thought (Stock et al. 2007: 262), an important observation which, as we will see, will be amply confirmed by genetics studies.
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Stock, Jay T., Marta Miraz˙n Lahr and Samanti Kulatilake. 2007. Cranial Diversity in South Asia Relative to Modern Human Dispersals and Global Patterns of Human Variation. In Michael D. Petraglia & Bridget Allchin (eds.), The Evolution and History of Human Populations in South Asia: Inter- disciplinary Studies in Archaeology, Biological Anthropology, Linguistics and Genetics. Springer, Dordrecht, pp. 245-68

• English anthropologists contended that the upper castes of India belonged to the Caucasian race and the rest drew their origin from Australoid types. The survey has revealed this to be a myth. ‘Biologically and linguistically, we are very mixed’, says Suresh Singh (…) The report says that the people of India have more genes in common, and also share a large number of morphological traits. ‘There is much greater homogenization in terms of morphological and genetic traits at the regional level’, says the report. For example, the Brahmins of Tamil Nadu (esp. Iyengars) share more traits with non-Brahmins in the state than with fellow Brahmins in western or northern India. (…) The sons-of-the-soil theory also stands demolished. The Anthropological Survey of India has found no community in India that can’t remember having migrated from some other part of the country.” Internal migration accounts for much of India’s complex ethnic landscape, while there is no evidence of a separate or foreign origin for the upper castes.
  • N.V. Subramaniam: “The way we are. An ASI project shatters some entrenched myths”, Sunday, 10-4-1994. On a recent anthropological survey led by Kumar Suresh Singh. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

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• This population subdivision occurred during pre-historical times and argues against an origin of Dravidian in the Iranian plateau and^recent displacement southward by Indo- European agriculturists. The current data are more consistent with the Deccan origin model (Underhill 2008: 108).
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Underhill, Peter A. 2008. Interpreting Patterns of Y Chromosome Diversity: Pitfalls and Promise. Toshiki Osada & Akinori Uesugi, (eds.), Occasional Paper 5. Linguistics, Archaeology and the Human Past. Kyoto, pp. 103-09.

• In 2010 Underhill was the lead author of a study that examined the relationship between European and Asian Y chromosomes within the same haplogroup R1a, which, for our purpose, is the same as M17 and has been regarded as a marker of the supposed Indo‐ European migrations; the authors found that coalescent time estimates of R1a1a correlate with the timing of the recession of the Last Glacial Maximum and predate the upper bound of the age estimate of the Indo‐European language tree … The presence and overall frequency of haplogroup R1a does not distinguish Indo‐Iranian, Finno‐Ugric, Dravidian or Turkic speakers from each other. (Underhill et al., 2010: 483) Moreover, the distribution of sub‐haplogroups of R1a “would exclude any significant patrilineal gene flow from East Europe to Asia, at least since the mid‐Holocene period” (Underhill et al., 2010: 483).
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Underhill PA, Myres NM, Rootsi S, Metspalu M, Zhivotovsky LA, … Kivisild T. 2010. Separating the post‐glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a. European Journal of Human Genetics 18(4): 479–484.

• Importantly, the virtual absence of M458 chromosomes outside Europe speaks against substantial patrilineal gene flow from East Europe to Asia, including to India, at least since the mid-Holocene.
  • Underhill et al Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a quoted in N Kazanas, INDIGENISM AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE ARYAN-INVASION-THEORY. THE ADYAR LIBRARY BULLETIN 2014-15

• Coalescent time estimates of R1a1a correlate with the timing of the recession of the Last Glacial Maximum and predate the upper bound of the age estimate of the Indo-European language tree. ... The presence and overall frequency of haplogroup R1a does not distinguish Indo-Iranian, Finno- Ugric, Dravidian or Turkic speakers from each other.î The earlier use of this marker for Indo- European migrations would thus be unjustified, unless proto-Indo-European can be pushed back beyond 10000 BC, which most linguists would be unwilling to accept. Moreover, the distribution of sub-haplogroups of R1a ìwould exclude any significant patrilineal gene flow from East Europe to Asia, at least since the mid- Holocene periodî (Underhill et al. 2010: 483), precluding once again any significant migration from eastern Europe to Asia since about 4000 BC.
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

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• Reassessment of the [Harappan] skeletal record strongly indicates that the hypothesis of identification of ìforeignî phenotypic element or unceremonious slaughter of native Harappans is not supplemented by bone evidence. (Walimbe 1993: 113)
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3
  • Walimbe, S.R. 1993. The Aryans: The Physical Anthropological Approach. In S.B. Deo & S. Kamath (eds.), The Aryan Problem. Bharatiya Itihasa Sankalana Samiti, Pune, pp. 108-15.

• ‘If the hypothesis of an ‘‘Aryan invasion’’ cannot be supported using physical anthropological data, then the spread of Indo- European languages in the subcontinent needs to be explained on non-biological grounds’
  • (Walimbe 2007, p. 313). Walimbe SR 2007 Population movements in the Indian subcontinent during the protohistoric period: Physical anthro- pological assessment; in The evolution and history of human populations in south Asia: Inter-disciplinary studies in archaeology, biological anthropology, linguistics and genet- ics (eds) MD Petraglia and B Allchin (Dordrecht: Springer) pp 297–319

• Cranial and dental morphological data clearly indicate genetic continuity from the Mesolithic era. The hypotheses regarding massive population movements during the protohistoric period cannot be supported on available skeletal data. (Walimbe 2007: 315)
  • quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• “The incursions of ‘foreign’ people within the periods of time associated with the Harappan decline cannot be documented by the skeletal record … The physical anthropological data refutes the hypothesis of ‘Aryan invasion’” (Walimbe, 2014: 337–339).
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence
  • Walimbe SR. 2014. Human skeletal biology. In: Chakrabarti DK, Lal M, editors. History of ancient India. Volume 2: Protohistoric foundations. New Delhi: Aryan Books International.

• The anthropologists who have recently described the skeletons from Harappa remark that there, as at Lothal, the population would appear, on the available evidence, to have remained more or less stable to the present day.
  • Sir M. Wheeler: The Indus Civilization, Cambridge University Press 1968, p.72, quoted in K.D. Sethna: The Problem of Aryan Origins, Aditya Prakashan, New Delhi 1992 (1980), p.20. quoted in Elst, Koenraad (1999). Update on the Aryan invasion debate New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.

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• In reading the genetics literature on South Asia, it is very clear that many of the studies actually start out with some assumptions that are clearly problematic, if not in some cases completely untenable. Perhaps the single most serious problem concerns the assumption, which many studies actually start with as a basic premise, that the Indo-Aryan invasions are a well-established (pre)historical reality. The studies confirm such invasions in large part because they actually assume them to begin with.
  • Boivin N. 2007. Anthropological, historical, archaeological and genetic perspectives on the origins of caste in South Asia. In: Petraglia MD, Allchin B, editors. The evolution and history of human populations in South Asia: inter‐disciplinary studies in archaeology, biological anthropology, lin- guistics and genetics. Dordrecht: Springer. pp 341–361.
  • Quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence

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• [T]he present-day linguistic affinities of different Indian populations per se are perhaps among the most ambiguous and even potentially controversial lines of evidence in the reconstruction of prehistoric demographic processes in India.
  • G. Chaubey; M. Metspalu; T. Kivisild; R. Villems, "Peopling of South Asia: Investigating the Caste-Tribe Continuum in India", Bio Essays, 29 (2007), p. 97; quoted by M. Danino, "Genetics and the Aryan Issue" in History of Ancient India, vol. 3 (New Delhi: VIF, 2014), p. 53

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• South Asia has indeed been at the crossroads for much of modern human prehistory.
  • Endicott P, Metspalu M, Kivisild T. 2007. Genetic evidence on modern human dispersals in South Asia: Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA perspectives: the world through the eyes of two haploid genomes. In: Petraglia MD, Allchin B, editors. The evolution and history of human popula- tions in South Asia: inter‐disciplinary studies in archaeology, biological anthropology, linguistics and genetics. Dordrecht: Springer.
  • quoted in M. Danino, in : Walimbe, S. R., & Schug, G. R. (2016). A companion to South Asia in the past. chapter 13. Aryans and the Indus Civilization: Archaeological, Skeletal, and Molecular Evidence. Quoted in M Danino, I.3. Genetics and the Aryan Issue in : History of ancient India / editors, Dilip K. Chakrabarti and Makkhan Lal. v. 3

• Confusing language movements with demographic movements was a childhood disease of Indo-European linguistics before 1945. Especially after Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species (1859), race thinking came to dominate the Humanities. There were warnings from Indo-Europeanists, including the much-maligned Friedrich Max Müller, to maintain the distinction, but the public and many professionals started speaking of “the Aryan race”, not in the vague sense common earlier (race = any group of hereditary belonging, from family to nation and race to humanity, Sanskrit jāti), but in the biological sense. After 1945, this went completely out of fashion in the West, but in India, not encumbered with the guilt about Nazi racism, time has stood still.
  • Elst, Koenraad (2018). Still no trace of an Aryan invasion: A collection on Indo-European origins.

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• Nothing in the osteometric data shows that relationships existed between the populations of the Oxus Civilization and those of the steppes: these populations are separate, different. This would prove that if there were migrations, they were not significant at that time. Mixtures of steppe and oasis populations do not become significant until the time when corpses disappear through cremation or exposure.
  • Henri-Paul Francfort. La civilisation de l'Oxus et les Indo-Iraniens et Indo-Aryens en Asie centrale. 2005, in: G. Fussman, J. Kellens, H.-P. Francfort, X. Tremblay, Aryas, Ariens et Iraniens en Asie centrale. p 302

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• South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find the highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia, but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a ‘male Aryan invasion’ of India. One average estimate for the origin of this line in India is as much as 51,000 years. All this suggests that M17 could have found his way initially from India or Pakistan, through Kashmir, then via Central Asia and Russia, before finally coming into Europe.
  • Stephen Oppenheimer, The Real Eve, p. 152., quoted in Genetics and the aryan debate, Michel Danino (Published in Puratattva, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society, New Delhi, No. 36, 2005-06, pp. 146-154.)

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• Our data reveal a complex set of genetic sources that ultimately combined to form the ancestry of South Asians today. ... Our results show how ancestry from the Steppe genetically linked Europe and South Asia in the Bronze Age, and identifies the populations that almost certainly were responsible for spreading Indo-European languages across much of Eurasia.
  • V. M. Narasimhan; N. J. Patterson; P. Moorjani; I. Lazaridis; L. Mark, S. Mallick, et al., "The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia", bioRxiv (2018), Abstract

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• Genetic studies comparing present-day Australasians and Asians show that they likely derived from a single dispersal out of Africa, rapidly differentiating into three main lineages: one that persists partially in South Asia, one that is primarily found today in Australasia, and one that is widely represented across Siberia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia.
  • M. Yang, "A Genetic History of Migration, Diversification, and Admixture in Asia", Human Population Genetics and Genomics, vol. 2, no. 1 (2022), Abstract