Talk:Eleventh Doctor

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Too much? edit

Just a little curious. Is there a limit to how much of an episode can be quoted? Because, and I know I'm part of the cause (being, if anyone was curious, I was just too lazy to log in at the time,) I see we have a little close to half the episode quoted here. So, is there a limit before we hit copyright issues, or could we just have the entire episode quoted? KGF2009 05:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

There is a guideline at Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. The current article is way over the limit. You can help by trimming it down to the most quotable bits. ~ Ningauble 19:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

What? by what limit? Also what is that us copyright law thing doing, it is british, and fair use = they loose no money, we gain no money. Job done.

Don't particularly want to edit the page myself (considering I have no experience with editing/style/etc.) but has anybody else noticed? I think this Doctor has a third catchphrase, paraphrased though. Along the lines of, "I'm missing something, something important..."

i know right. he says it alot but its pretty cool and i dont really mind

Not our fault the script is so quotable - and no one loses out!!

Quotes trimmed to fit standards. Teyrn of Highever 02:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Just did a massive clean up to bring the article back to copyright standards, please remember that this is the quotes for the 11th doctor, not the episode itself. I had to remove a bunch because the doctor wasn't actually the one speaking, even though the quote itself was clever. 21:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Just a follow up, I'm really not trying to get into an edit war, but we've got entire scenes quoted, which is a copyright issues as well as the sheer number of quotes which is a concern with Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. I'm open to dialog on the topic, but just undoing revisions isn't going to solve anything. 23:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

104 words??? edit

In Vincent and the Doctor, the Doctor said 100 words or less. If you read the quote, he uses 104 words. This has ruined Doctor Who for me................ 12:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Missing quotes edit

There's a couple of quotes that are missing which I think have to be added.

Firstly, in The Pandorica Opens, the Doctor says: 'Never ignore a coincidence, unless you're busy, then always ignore them, and watch me on tv.'

Secondly, in The Big Bang, he says: 'Oh, you can do loads in twelve minutes. Suck a mint, buy a sledge, have a fast bath.'

Misspelling in The Pandorica Opens edit

River: Tereptil, Slitheen, Chelonian, [The Doctor begins to back away in fear] Nestene, Drahvin, Sycorax, Haemo-goth, Zygon, Atraxi, Draconian - they're all here, for the Pandorica!

I think you'll find she says blow jobs for everyone!=]

Big Bang Essential Quote edit

Surely for completeness after the doctor telling the story to young Amy the next quote should be Amy bringing him back at the wedding, the quote that goes something like:

Amy Pond: [Standing up] When I was a child I had an imaginary friend: the Raggedy Doctor. Amy's Mother: Not this again! Amy Pond: Apart from one thing, he was not imaginary, he was very very real and I am bringing him home! Doctor I remember what you told me when I was 7, I remember you Doctor! [TARDIS materialisation sounds starts] Oh Yes! Something old, something new, something borrowed [TARDIS appears in middle of dancefloor] and something blue! Doctor [Appearing for TARDIS in dinner jacket and tophat]: Sorry I'm late, but you know I'd never miss a wedding.

Now that's interesting... edit

Is this a fourth catchphrase of The Eleventh Doctor? I'm pretty sure he has said it at least twice, (in The Time Of Angels, when he tells Amy off for not staying in the TARDIS, and in The Beast Below when he finds the spaceship) and I'm sure if I watched all the episodes again and listened out for it there would be more. How many times in a series does the phrase have to be said before we can add it to the catchphase category? Superchickrox 11:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Unrelated pictures edit

I remember you! I remember! I brought the others back; I can bring you home too! Raggedy man, I remember you! And you are late for my wedding! removed some pictures and was reverted. I took them out again because I agree. Let's discuss.

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Some of the images which (talk · contributions) had removed or commented on, have remained here and at other Doctor Who pages over many months and been retatined by many editors of the pages. They were removed at several points by one editor who, up to now, had made no effort to disguise a common personal identity over several IPs. They have been restored at different times by myself and other editors. The ones just removed are images relative to the locations and concepts involved in the quotes, and ones previously at times removed involved those of the actors involved in the show. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 07:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Being retained is not the same as endorsing the images should be there. He has a point, images about stonehenge or "5-cubes" are just pretty fodder and have nothing to do with the page. The images should have to do with DW—This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) .
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Removing images after their considerable presence on the pages without objection, is ignoring the actual thought and reasons which should be evident to anyone with even a cursory acquaintance with the multidimensional concepts involved in the Doctor Who stories, and the locations and settings of some of the more significant episodes. The tenor of the insults and rational provided by those hostile to images has rarely varied all that much, whereas the images themselves often provide many subtle or overt associations with the ideas in the series and in the quotes. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 18:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Please stop the reverting! Case study: What does Image:Arco iris circular.JPG have to do with DW? Explain it. —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) . —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) .
I took the liberty of doing some minor formatting correction in your query so that it displays in a sensible way. There are many things important about it that are beyond all explanations and still important, but a few of the ways it links to Amy Pond's assertions can be indicated in words in a few words. Though there are many images that might eventually fit this comment better, it was used with the assertion by Amy Pond: "I remember you! I remember! I brought the others back; I can bring you home too! Raggedy man, I remember you! And you are late for my wedding!" Involved in the perceivable aspects of this particular image is is an evocation of richly ambiguous but generally exaltant and affirmative dispositions, and a ring upon what is most likely a woman's hand. The Doctore Who stories and this one in particular generally involve The Doctor and his companions — who in some ways, for some reasons, come to be revealed as extraordinary important people for the safety of the Doctor, and of the Earth, or even of the Universe itself — and this one was far more richly complex and evocative than most. There were perhaps some logical paradoxes or contradictions in some aspects of the tale, but there usually are in most science fiction and fantasy tales, yet what they reveal and indicate of important emotional truths is often far more important in many ways than what they might present in deficient or flawed ways about logical, physical or hyper-physical geometries or aspects of Reality. Some of the other diagrams and images relate to these more explicitly. One cannot be expected to fully explain or fully understand all froms of art, but I do believe that the addition of images which are applicable in immediately obvious or even obscurely related ways to some of the major themes or incidental aspects of the storie can stimulate greater interest than a blank page of text can. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 01:40, 30 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Don't be condescending, I know the episode perfectly well. I have see all of the episodes, reconstructions of the lost episodes, listened to the BBC & BigFinish Audios, the cartoons, the books and the spinoffs (Elisabeth Sladen RIP).
You don't even sound convinced the picture is a womans hand, never mind Pond's. It doesn't intrinsically have anything to do with a wedding. That image has nothing to do with DW. So its a feel good picture and that was a feel good moment in the series. It is still unrelated. Why not a blue book instead? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) . —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) .
If at times I convey some level of condescension in my remarks, I feel this is entirely appropriate in response to some of the condescending comments I believe you have made on several occasions in the summary box on this and other Doctor Who pages, based upon some of the related comments and IPs. I of course concede it is possible I might be mistaken in some regards, but the general evidence presents no strong reason for me to believe this at this point. I have indicated that I am sure that there could be some immediately obvious image that might eventually be better than this one for that caption, but I believe it works well. I do actually believe the hand to be a woman's because of many generally indicative details, but also prefer to not indicate certainty in ways that are not warranted, unlike those prone to present some opinions about things as if they were facts beyond dispute. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 02:51, 30 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

Need for more registration and input by Doctor Who editors — and others. edit

I encourage many of the people who have edited here, or at other pages, whether related to Doctor Who or not, to register a username so as to more effectively voice opinions and to be able to vote in major issues that occur on the wiki in the months and years to come.

At the Village Pump I raised the issue of a need to expand potentials and lessen restrictions on this and other pages. I believe that there is need for extensive discussion and eventually a vote on this matter, within a few months.

I would encourage a choosing of quotes based upon potential general interest or curiosity in the statements — but remain adamantly opposed to making absolutist rules about nearly anything, believe people should be free to add material — and that removal of material which might exceed local guidelines and yet does NOT in any way violate legal mandates should occur only with willingness to DEBATE matters on the talk pages — not through pretensions or impostitions of absolute mandates to restrict quotes to some particular number or length.

I recently restored a couple of quotes I had originally added earlier in the process of adding quotes from The Almost People:

Jen (Ganger): You've tricked him into an act of weakness, Doctor.
The Doctor: No, I've helped him into an act of humanity. Anyone else like the sound of that: act of humanity?

Amy [having discovered that the Doctor and the Ganger had deceived them all]: I never thought it possible.
The Doctor (Ganger): What?
Amy: You're twice the man I thought you were.

Many statements made in this and the associated previous episode The Rebel Flesh were especially poignant in confronting some issues, on the way humans are often inclined to casually rely on VERY easily triggered prejudices and presumptions to limit their sympathies with those they inflict sufferings or burdens upon.

One of the persons most easy to sympathize with in these episodes, for a time, was Jen, in either human or ganger versions — but she was also a person truly weak in some forms of capacity to actually sympathize with others, and most casual in inflicting harm and distress upon them, and eventually MOST eager to divide living beings into "US and THEM" dichotomies — and to exploit these. Her ganger was the one LEAST stable and most susceptible to anti-human emotions and desires — which other gangers eventually saw the deficiencies of. Left increasingly alone and bitter by various losses of human potentials and alliance with them, she truly descended nearly entirely into a nightmarish rage against the humans and any gangers that opposed her.

I make those observations to justify retaining at least one of the quotes by Jen, in conversation with the Doctor, as well as hinting at some of the rational of retaining the quote of Amy after being deceived by the Doctor, finally affirming many aspects of her humanity by being able to break through some of her own prejudices and perhaps instinctual impulses, and acknowledging the worth of the Doctor's ganger. There are obviously MANY complex emotional and ethical issues raised in many episodes of this program in both profound and humorous ways — and I encourage everyone interested in adding to these pages and promoting ideals represented by The Doctor, to become more skilled at choosing quotes that can arouse other's interest and curiousity about many matters — and not only those which will be most familar or recognizable to those who are already Doctor Who fans. I also encourage everyone once again to register an account here — and to join in efforts to reduce the constraints some have sought to impose in ways I consider unnecessary and far too absolutist. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 03:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC) + tweaksReply

What? edit

Amy in The City of the Daleks: Is that the year you bought that outfit then? Me: What! He stole that outfit in the Eleventh Hour!

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