Talk:Ron Kaufman

Copyright

Certainly looks like a copyvio to me.--Collingwood (talk) 08:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. The size has increased ninefold since I tagged the talk page, so I placed a {{copyvio}} tag on it. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, This is Ron Kaufman responding. The quotes listed under each title are my "quips" written in reply to other quotes from my 11 books. I authorized this posting by someone who does Wiki postings. Can you please help me understand how to remove the "copyright violation" on this page? Thank you! Ron(at)RonKaufman(dot)com —The preceding manually signed comment was added by 220.255.1.24 (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2012‎

Please read, understand, and follow the instructions in the notice on the article page. In particular:

• The second bullet point indicates how to contact the Wikimedia Foundation if you want to release your works under the pertinent licenses. Staff can then certify that a release has been properly executed. Note that the licenses permit reuse and adaptation of the work by anyone, anywhere, not just in this wiki.

Note also that the article, whether restored based on your release or restarted as described in the first bullet point, must still conform to Wikiquote's guidelines for Limits on quotations and Quotability. The large quantity of "quips", as you call them, that were in the article (viewable here for the time being), with over 2,400 quotes, was highly disproportionate and included much that was trivial. Comparing this to articles on prominent people in related fields, such as Dale Carnegie (9 quotes) or virtually anyone else in Category:Motivational authors, makes the subject of this article appear ridiculous.

I doubt the contributors intended to ridicule anyone, but this can happen as an unintended consequence of naïve enthusiasm. Also, if the contributors were acting at your behest you may want to review Wikipedia's guidance on Conflict of interest.

Thank you for your understanding. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this insight, education and feedback. Much appreciated. Ron —The preceding manually signed comment was added by 220.255.1.67 (talk) 12:32, 7 December 2012‎

Draft in temporary subpage

I have created a new draft of this article in a subpage, as requested in the notice on this article. This draft is a slightly shortened version of the one I posted before a few other editors added more quotes and the article was flagged. Thanks, HtownCat (talk) 18:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

This still looks excessive with about 150 quotes, or roughly one quote per two pages. As an upper bound, I would strongly advise against any more than one quote per ten pages, but much less than that us usually much better. Consider that an independent professional book review, even a glowingly positive one, would not use more than a handful of quotes.

I invite you again to consider the Dale Carnegie article, mentioned above, which has only two (2) quotes from what is probably the most famous and influential book in the field. It wouldn't hurt to add a couple more, but much beyond that would diminish the impact of the article.

The object should be to showcase the most strikingly original, eloquent, and poignant expressions of thought, not to portray the author as a prolific purveyor of prosaic platitudes. (A tendency to commonplace prosaism in motivational writing and speaking is not a bad thing: motivationalists succeed by focusing one's attention on familiar, commonsense truths. Wikiquote's focus is on things that are uncommonly well said or are independently famous.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I've edited it some more. Thoughts? HtownCat (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Shortened article

I've chosen 15 or so quotes that I think are best. This article is much shorter than previous versions. Please provide guidance. Thanks, HtownCat (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

If there is no objection, I will delete the current article (along with its edit history) and move the much shorter Ron Kaufman/Temp to replace it. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Thanks for your help. HtownCat (talk) 23:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Y Done. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Much appreciate the learning experience here. HtownCat (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)