Talk:Li Hongzhi

Copyright concerns

Copyright violation: Wikiquote:DP

The contents are edited and spliced from Li Hongzhi's lectures on the Chinese Communist Party's anti-cult website, and the original contents of Li Hongzhi's lectures quoted are from the website of Falun Dafa, which has a "copyright disclaimer" explicitly stating that, as a living figure, all of Li Hongzhi's lectures, videos, and writings are protected by U.S. and international copyright laws, and that unauthorised quoting of any kind is prohibited. [www.falundafa.org]

Please See: WP:Living

In fact the writings and lectures of Li Hongzhi run over 2000 pages, the topics mentioned here do not even occupy 0.001% of his writings and lectures[1]. Why should attention be brought on that alone? Isnt that being a bit sensationalist? further there are other interviews too from NTDTV etc and it is a particular IP's point of view that these statements are "controversial" - thats OR - we cannot stuff things that appear sensationalist or controversial to us into the article just based on our liking. Wikipedia if I understand right has rather strict policies when it comes to material in Biographies of Living Persons. Wikipedia policies specifically state that:

"If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability." - WP:Living

"Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. While a strategy of eventualism may apply to other subject areas, badly written biographies of living persons should be stubbed or deleted."

"Biographies of living persons should not have trivia sections."

"When in doubt, biographies should be pared back to a version that is completely sourced, neutral, and on-topic."

"Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation is broadly neutral; in particular, subsection headings should reflect important areas to the subject's notability."

"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist."- WP:Biographies of Living Persons.

Dilip rajeev (talk) 12:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

So there is the above concern posted 15 (!!) years ago and there was very recently a tag placed on this page. Both seem to fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of this site and what constitutes fair use. Both complaints (see the above comment and the edit summaries posted by the IP) assert that since Li's works are copyrighted (true) therefore, this page is a copyright violation (untrue). Two things here: 1.) if there some arrangement of quotations that was published somewhere else and we copied that arrangement here, that could be a copyright violation, but the complaints do not assert that, nor do the web pages that I've been directed to show this. And 2.) it actually is possible to have a fairly brief quotation that itself is a copyright violation in some circumstances (see this case), but generally speaking, this is a legitimate fair use of copyrighted material. Moreover, what I think the real problem is here is that there is an issue of NPOV and the persons claiming a copyright problem want the page deleted because they support Li/Falun Dafa and don't want his more grotesque quotations published. As someone who is not here to promote Falun Dafa, I don't mind that, but I do mind the fact that this page has only published his weird anti-race-mixing quotations in a way that is non-neutral and isn't necessarily informative of all of the kinds of quoted material that he's published.

All that said, I am removing the tag, as this is not a copyright violation ipso facto, but this page certainly does have problems that need to be addressed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)