In the explanatory paragraph, I have added that Allah was the god of the Moon in pre-Islamic times. This has been repeatedly deleted by Islamic users at Wikipedia time and again in the past.--Inesculent 13:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Like many terms referring to deity, the origins and meanings associated with the term Allah are widely disputed. I have used the intro from Wikipedia, and removed quotes and links that are plainly primarily the expression of views about zionism and terrorism, rather than Allah or God, and one to a very un-authoritative and poorly maintained non-Wikimedia wiki with less than 500 registered usernames, which seems to have provided much of the previous intro. This article as it existed was not merely a case of "pushing the envelope" but of going far beyond it in the effort to push a particularly anti-islamic or anti-religious agenda. ~ Kalki 14:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Allah's Apostle and Jews against himEdit
- The Prophet of Allah has promised us that the Jews will gather in Palestine, and that the Muslims will fight them, and totally kill them. Even the stone and the tree will say: "Oh Muslims, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." You might tell me that I am relying on supernatural hadiths. I believe this is not supernatural but is the core of our belief.
This quote was removed by a user. I ask myself why. As if it was made up? This quote is quite famous. Here is the primary source.
- Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.
--Inesculent 14:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- I never indicated any belief that the quote was "made up" — I did indicate what I believe to be pretty obvious: that its use was primarily an extremely narrow POV agenda-pushing. The quote mentions the belief that "the prophet of Allah" justified some modern extremely anti-jewish and pro-terrorist stances. It is not a quote about God or Allah. With God, Allah, and religious or anti-religious views being used to justify all manner of absurd things, there would be no end to the quotes one could include under all these subjects if one does not stick primarily to dealing with quotes about the subject — not about some incidental lunacies that some fanatics might seek to justify by some divine or anti-divine cause. ~ Kalki 15:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Who knows? Maybe Muhammad woke up one day and said, "I want to elevate Allah above other gods and discredit the 359 gods. Later, when Allah reaches his/her/its apotheosis, then I will start Islamic extremism. Thereby, I bring down the god and Islamic morals which I was promoting yesterday." I am speculating with this quote. It is possible, though. Maybe I am wrong because Islamic extremism doesn't bring down Allah; plus, who gets to define "Islamic extremism"?--Inesculent 15:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- You are arguing for an inclusion of nearly anything that might make some incidental or cursory reference to "Allah" and it is well established that this is not what theme pages should include. ~ Kalki 16:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Islamic extremism in implementing Allah's willEdit
In fact, Karen Armstrong argues in Muhammad: A Prophet for Our Time (ISBN 0060598972 or ISBN 978-0060598976) that Muhammad was a moderate. "It wasn't that they were Jews but that they were traitors".--Inesculent 16:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- I am well aware of Armstrong's views on this and many other things, but her views, your views, and my views don't make the quote you were adding anything other than an anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli, and pro-terrorist quote, NOT one about "Allah" save in a very strained and over-reaching way. ~ Kalki 16:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)