Talk:The Talmud Unmasked

Quotes from the Talmud

The following are quotes from the Talmud as translated by Pranaitis. They have been moved here because they relate little of Pranaitis' own perspective, and better translations of the Talmud can be found elsewhere (e.g., the William Davidson translation found on Sefaria.org). Preference should be given to quotes that relate Pranaitis' own thoughts. Therefore, if quotes that quote from the Talmud are included, they should quote Pranaitis' commentary as well. – BurningLibrary

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• In Kerithuth (6b p. 78) it says:

  "The teaching of the Rabbis is: He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment. This is true for an animal because it is not a man. But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31). You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men."

  In the Tract Makkoth (7b) he is said to be guilty of killing "except when, if intending to kill an animal he kills a man by mistake, or intending to kill a Goi, he kills an Israelite."

  • "The Christians", p. 49

• In Babha Kama (113a) it says:

  "Our teaching is as follows: When a Jew and a Goi come into court, absolve the Jew, if you can, according to the laws of Israel. If the Goi wins, tell him that is what our laws require. If, however, the Jew can be absolved according to the gentile law, absolve him and say it is due to our laws. If this cannot be done proceed callously against the Goi, as Rabbi Ischmael advises. Rabbi Akibha, however, holds that you cannot act fraudulently lest you profane the Name of God, and have a Jew committed for perjury."

  A marginal note, however, explains this qualification of Rabbi Akibha as follows:

  "The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied."

  • "Christians Must Be Exterminated", pp. 73–74

• A Jew alone is looked upon as a man, the whole world is his and all things should serve him, especially "animals which have the form of men."

• Goi-Race, or people . The Jews also call a man a Goi - a gentile, they call a gentile woman a Goiah. Sometimes, but very rarely, Israelites are called by this name. It is mostly applied to non-Jews, or idolaters. In Jewish books which treat of Idolatry, worshippers of idols are often called by this single word Goi. For this reason, in more recent editions of the Talmud the use of the word Goi is purposely avoided and other words for non-Jews are substituted.

• Sanhedrin (59a):
  • "Rabbi Jochanan says: A Goi who pries into the Law is guilty to death."

• Choschen Hammischpat ( 34,22):
  • "Traitors and Epicureans and Apostates are worse than Goim"

• Schabbath (145b):
  • "Why are the Goim unclean? Because they eat abominable things and animals that crawl on their belly ."

• Kerithuth (6b p . 78):
  • "The teaching of the Rabbis is : He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment . This is true for an animal because it is not a man . But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written : Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31) . You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men.

• Sanhedrin (74b) Tosephoth:
  • "The sexual intercourse of a Goi is like to that of a beast."

• Kethuboth (3b):
  • "The seed of a Goi is worth the same as that of a beast ."

• Choschen Ham . (34,19):
  • "A Goi or a servant is not capable of acting as a witness."

• Abhodah Zarah (20,a, Toseph):
  • "Do not say anything in praise of them, lest it be said How good that Goi is!"

• lore Dea (147,5):
  • "It is permitted to deride idols, and it is forbidden to say to a Goi : May your God help you, or I hope you will succeed."

• Hilkhoth Akum (X,5):
  • "It is forbidden to give gifts to the Goim. But it is permitted to give them to a convert who lives among the Jews, for it is said : To the traveller who stops in your cities, give it to him to eat, or sell it to a Gentile, that is sell it, not give it."

• Babha Bathra (54b):
  • "All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert, the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own ."

• Babha Kama (113b):
  • "It is permitted to deceive a Goi."

• Babha Kama (113a):
  • "Our teaching is as follows : When a Jew and a Goi come into court, absolve the Jew, if you can, according to the laws of Israel . If the Goi wins, tell him that is what our laws require . If, however, the Jew can be absolved according to the gentile law, absolve him and say it is due to our laws . If this cannot be done proceed callously against the Goi, as Rabbi Ischmael advises Rabbi Akibha, however, holds that you cannot act fraudulently lest you profane the Name of God, and have a Jew committed for perjury."

• Babha Kama (113b):
  • "The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying : `I gave something to your father, but he is dead ** you must return it to me,' as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying."

• Abhodah Zarah (26b, Tosephoth):
  • "Even the best of the Goim should be killed"

• Abhodah Zarah (22a):
  • A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles because they are given to the shedding of blood ."

• Orach Chaiim (113,8):
  • Those who use a cross are called Akum.

• Eben Haezer (44,8):
  • "If a Jew enters into marriage with an Akum (Christian), or with his servant, the marriage is null . For they are not capable of entering into matrimony . Likewise if an Akum or a servant enter into matrimony with a Jew, the marriage is null ."

• Schabbath ( 116a):
  • "The Glossaries of our own books and the books of the heretics are not to be saved from the flames, if they should catch fire on the Sabbath day . Rabbi Jose, however, says : 'On festival days the divine names should be torn out of the books of the Christians and hidden away, what remains must be given to the flames .' But Rabbi Tarphon says : `In order that I may be remembered by my children, if those books should ever fall into my hands I would burn them together with the divine names contained therein . For if one is chased by an assassin, or by a serpent, it would be better to take refuge in a pagan temple than in one of theirs, because the Christians knowingly resist the truth, whereas the pagans do so unknowingly."

• Iore Dea (158, 1):
  • "But in time of war the Akum are to be killed, for it is written: 'The good among the Akum deserve to be killed, etc.'

• Hilkhoth Akum (X, 7):
  • "In places where Jews are strong, no idolater must be allowed to remain..."

• A written law of the Christians is : If a Jew strike you on one cheek, turn the other also to him and do not in any way return the blow And ch. VI, v . 27 says : Love your enemies, do good to them who hate you, bless them who curse you and pray for those who do you harm, unto him who strikes you on one cheek offer him the other. To him who takes away thy cloak do not forbid him to take thy coat also, etc. The same is found in Matthew ch . V, v.39. But I have never seen any Christian keep this law, nor did Jesus himself behave as he taught others to do . For we find in John ch. XVIII, v . 22, that when someone struck him on the face, he did not turn the other cheek, but became angry on account of this one stroke and asked `Why do you strike me'? Likewise in the Acts of the Apostles, ch. XXIII, v. 3, we read : that when the High Priest ordered them that stood by to strike him on the mouth, Paul did not turn the other cheek, he cursed him saying `God shall smite thee thou whited wall, etc .' This is contrary to their beliefs and destroys the foundation upon which their religion rests, for they boast that the law of Jesus is easy to observe . If Paul himself, who may be called the Dispenser of Jesus, could not observe the precept of Jesus, who among the others who believe in him can prove to me that he can do so?"

• Orach Chaiim (225, 10):
  • "He who sees beautiful creatures, even though it be an Akum or an animal, let him say `Blessed art thou Our Lord God, King of the Universe, who hast placed such things on the earth!' "

• Rabbi Edels, in commenting on Kethuboth (110b):
  • "The Psalmist compares the Akum to the unclean beast in the woods ."

• Abhodah Zarah (72b):
  • "A certain man was pouring wine from one jar into another by means of a tube, when a Goi came along and touched the tube with his hand. As a result all the wine (in both jars) had to be thrown away ."

• lore Dea (120,1):
  • "If a Jew buys a vessel for use at table from an Akum, whether it is made of metal, glass or lead, even if it is new, he must wash it in a Mikvah [a large basin], or in a cistern which holds forty quarts of water ."

• Abhodah Zarah, 78c (the Perusch of Maimonides, fol . 8):
  • "All the festivals of the followers of Jesus are forbidden, and we must conduct ourselves towards them as we would towards idolaters . The first day of the week is their principal feast, and it is therefore forbidden to do any business whatsoever with those who believe in Jesus on their Sabbath. We must observe the same rules on their Sabbath as we do on the feast days of idolaters, as the Talmud teaches."

• lore Dea (151,1, Hagah):
  • "It is not permitted to sell water to an Akum if it is known that it will be made into Baptismal water ."

• lore Dea (153, 1, Hagah):
  • "A child must not be given to the Akum to learn manners, literature or the arts, for they will lead him into heresy ."

• lore Dea (154, 2):
  • "It is not permitted to teach any trade to the Akum"

• Choschen Ham . (266,1):
  • "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum, for it is written : Return to thy brethren what is lost (Deuter.XXII,3) . For he who returns lost property [to Christians] sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law . It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look uponthem as honorable people."

• Lore Dea (157,2 . Hagah):
  • "If a Jew is able to deceive them [idolaters] by pretending he is a worshiper of the stars, he may do so."

• Abhodah Zarah (54a):
  • "It is allowed to take usury from Apostates' who fall into idolatry ."

• lore Dea (159,1):
  • "It is permitted, according to the Torah, to lend money town Akum with usury . Some of the Elders, however, deny this except in a case of life and death . Nowadays it is permitted for any reason ."

• Choschen Ham. (425,5):
  • "If you see a heretic, who does not believe in the Torah, fall into a well in which there is a ladder, hurry at once and take it away and say to him `I have to go and take my son down from a roof, I will bring the ladder back to you at once' or something else . The Kuthaei, however, who are not our enemies, who take care of the sheep of the Israelites, are not to be killed directly, but they must not be saved from death ."

• Midrasch Talpioth (fol . 225d):
  • "God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him."

• Zohar (I, 160a):
  • "Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Chezkia] : 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them .' Rabbi Chezkia asked, `How must we fight against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, `By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6) . By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau -by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them."

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Regarding the statement above that these are "quotes from the Talmud as translated by Pranaitis," there should be heavy emphasis on the phrase "as translated by Pranaitis" Here is just one example of Pranaitis's "Talmud quotes" above, showing how wary one should be of accepting his claims as "translation" of Talmud:

Pranaitis version, above, *Babha Bathra (54b): "All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert, the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own ."

Actual translation of Bava Batra 54b with its context:

"Rav Yehuda says that Shmuel says: With regard to the property of a gentile that was sold to a Jew for money, it is ownerless like a desert until the purchaser performs an act of acquisition; anyone who takes possession of it in the interim has acquired it. What is the reason for this? The gentile relinquishes ownership of it from the moment when the money reaches his hand, while the Jew who purchased it does not acquire it until the deed reaches his hand. Therefore, in the period of time between the giving of the money and the receiving of the deed, the property is like a desert, and anyone who takes possession of it has acquired it. Abaye said to Rav Yosef: Did Shmuel actually say this? But doesn’t Shmuel say that the law of the kingdom is the law, i.e., the halakha obligates Jews to observe the laws of the locale in which they reside, and the king said that land may not be acquired without a document? Therefore, taking possession should not be effective for acquisition. Rav Yosef said to him: I do not know how to reconcile this contradiction, but there was an incident in the village of Dura that was founded by shepherds, where there was a Jew who purchased land from a gentile by giving money, and in the interim another Jew came and plowed it a bit. The two Jews came before Rav Yehuda for a ruling, and he established the property in the possession of the second individual. This accords with the ruling of Shmuel that the property is ownerless until a Jew performs an act of acquisition. The Gemara relates: Rav Huna purchased land from a gentile. Another Jew came and plowed it slightly. Rav Huna and that Jew came before Rav Naḥman, who established the property in the possession of the latter. Rav Huna said to Rav Naḥman: What are you thinking in issuing this ruling? Is it because Shmuel says that the property of a gentile is like a desert, and anyone who takes possession of it has acquired it? If so, the Master should do for me in accordance with another statement of Shmuel, as Shmuel says that one who hoes ownerless property has acquired only the place that he struck with the hoe. Rav Naḥman said to him: In this matter I hold in accordance with our halakha, as Rav Huna says that Rav says: Once he struck the land with a hoe one time, he acquired the entire property."

In other words, this passage is talking about establishing ownership of land, after that land has been purchased from a Gentile. Furthermore the Shmuel cited here is known for teaching that the laws of the country should be obeyed, for saying that "It is forbidden to deceive any man, be he Jew or pagan" and "Before the throne of the Creator there is no difference between Jews and pagans, since there are many noble and virtuous among the latter". It seems unlikely that the phrase quoted from him was intended to mean that any Jew should feel free to claim ownership of any property owned by a Gentile. Another example of a Pranaitis "quote" that completely misrepresents the Talmud verse given for it:

Pranaitis version, above, Babha Kama (113b): "The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying : `I gave something to your father, but he is dead you must return it to me,' as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying."

Bava Kama 113b does not mention the word "father" at all. Bava Kama 113a has the following passages about dead fathers, but contains no recommendation of lying to Gentile heirs:

The mishna teaches, with regard to one who left a stolen item to his children, if the item was something that may serve as a legal guarantee of a loan, the heirs are obligated to pay the owner. The Gemara states that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi would teach this mishna to Rabbi Shimon, his son, and explain that it does not refer only to something that can actually serve as a guarantee for a loan, i.e., land. Rather, it refers even to a cow that he plows with, or a donkey that he drives by directing it from behind, which the heirs are obligated to return because of the honor of their father, so that people will not continually point out that the inheritance was stolen and thereby disgrace their deceased parent. Rav Kahana raises a dilemma before Rav: If the robber left his heirs a stolen item that is used in relative privacy, such as a bed that he lies on or a table upon which he eats, rather than something as conspicuous as a large animal, what is the halakha? Are the heirs obligated to return it to its owner? Rav said to him: “Give to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser” (Proverbs 9:9), meaning that from the fact that the heirs must return a cow and a donkey, one can infer that they must also return a bed and a table.

It is misleading to describe these inventions by Pranaitis as "translations" of Talmud. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Other quotes

• In 1244, Pope Innocent IV also ordered the burning of Jewish books. He exhorted the King of France as follows:

  "Our dear Son, the Chancellor of Paris, and the Doctors, before the clergy and people, publicly burned by fire the aforesaid books (The Talmud) with all their appendices. We beg and beseech your Celestial Majesty in the Lord Jesus, that, having begun laudably and piously to prosecute those who perpetuate these detestable excesses, that you continue with due severity. And that you command throughout your whole kingdom that the aforesaid books with all their glossaries, already condemned by the Doctors, be committed to the flames. Firmly prohibiting Jews from having Christians as servants and nurses."

  • "Appendix: How the Popes Treated the Jews", pp. 91–92

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Proposed merge to an article about the author Justinas Pranaitis

• Support BurningLibrary has proposed merging this article into an article about its author. I endorse this move. Because JP is responsible for the selection of quotes and the mis-translation of many quotes, this topic is closely related to the life and opinions of JP, despite its title's claim that it unmasks the Talmud. For example, "By identifying as references to Christians and Christianity such epithets in the Talmud as am ha-aretz (literally, a peasant, but more generally, an illiterate person), akum (pagan or idol worshipper), apikoros (epicurean but applied to heretics generally) and kuthim (the Samaritans), he [Pranaitis] 'proves' widespread prejudices on the part of the Talmudists toward Christianity.""Talmudic Forgeries" page 11 HouseOfChange (talk) 16:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)