Talk:Sathya Sai Baba

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Many of these quotes are paragraphs long and violate the Sri Sathya Sai Books & Publications Trust copyrights. Who has obtained permission to duplicate these long quotes from the Trust and where has this information been divulged? SSS108 20:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Flagged For Copyright ViolationsEdit

I have flagged this article for copyrights violations. Most of the quotes have been taken from Sathya Sai Baba's discourses which have been published in books called "Sathya Sai Speaks". These books are copyrighted to the Sri Sathya Sai Books & Publications Trust [1] and chapters are prefaced with the following disclaimer:

  • "The copyright and the rights of translation in any language are reserved by the Publisher. No part, para, passage, text or photo-graph or art work of this book should be reproduced, transmitted or utilised, in original language or by translation, in any form, or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photo copying, recording or by any information, storage or retrieval system, except with and prior permission, in writing from The Convener Sri Sathya Sai Books & Publications Trust, Prasanthi Nilayam, (Andhra Pradesh) India, except for brief passages quoted in book review. This book can be exported from India only by Sri Sathya Sai Books and Publications Trust, Prasanthi Nilayam (India)." [2] [3], etc.

SSS108 20:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Controversial QuoteEdit

The controversial quote that Andries and others keep trying to include is not even sourced to the right discourse. Andries admitted he has not read the hard copy and the real discourse does not provide the words for the quote. See [4]. SSS108 talk-email 01:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The correct citation was given by me. You mistakenly cited the wrong speech and this quote is also available in Sathya Sai literature. Ekantik 17:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
If there is a problem with this quote than you can move it down to the attributed section until further notice. No need for deleting. Please keep revert wars away from this page. Ekantik 17:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ekantik, you have never seen this quote for yourself. You are basing it on the very same premise that Andries is basing it on, i.e., speculation. The quote came from a Telugu Poem which was not translated, but summarized. It is not a quote and until you provide an actual quote from the actual book it is going to be removed. SSS108 talk-email 18:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't be so sure that I haven't seen the quote. Please keep your battlegrounds with Andries on Wikipedia away from Wikiquote. If you have a problem with the quote then move it into the attributed section instead of removing it like I told you. Any simple Google search will obtain results, you should check out the speech of 21st October 1993. Now enough. Ekantik 01:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
In future, place disputed quotes into a new Misattributed section as per Wikiquote policy in FAQ. Ekantik 01:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

If you saw the quote, why didn't you say so? You have not seen the quote, that much is certain. The discourse you cited contains a summary and is not an actual quote. Until you get the actual quote, it isn't an actual quote. Period. The quote in question is not an misattribution. SSS108 talk-email 05:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

On Wikipedia you were arguing that all of SSB's discourses are online and for the wrong citation, now you are arguing that SSB's online discourse contain summaries. The quote stays and is moved to a misattributed section. We have done enough research into the matter. Do not tamper with the page. Ekantik 06:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The file record states that the quote is an excerpt from the speech. Therefore it is a quote albeit an excerpt from the full speech which doesn't appear to have been transcribed fully. The quote is no longer misattributed and thus returned to the sourced section. Ekantik 06:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the quote has been changed considerably from my version. There may be variants, SSS108 what are you talking about? This quote is sourced all over the place in Baba's literatures. Stop vandalizing the page. SaiSlayer 23:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

SSS108 is carrying on a battle with Andries that has spilt over from Talk:Sathya Sai Baba|Wikipedia over the quote that he claims is unsourced. He removed the original quote which he claims is not in the hard copy (not having seen it himself), and when I found a variant version that is available in the online records of the Baba's speeches (which SSS108 agrees are a proper record) he objects that it is a summary when the record says it is an excerpt. I've also asked him to stop reverting the page which is a violation of WikiQuote policy (see FAQ link above) and to create a Misattributed section for disputed quotes. He still stubbornly refuses to agree. This page needs cleanup anyway. Ekantik 02:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ekantik. I'll look into possible disciplinary measures as conflicts from other Wiki-projects are frowned upon. I have corrected the quote according to a published source. This quote is well known in Sai books and is sourced in many places. SaiSlayer 17:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

One-sided:Self-pufferyEdit

I think there is a major issue with the quotes here - all circle around a theme of self-puffery. We need a more academically informative cross-section of the persons quotes. I'll try to fix this perceived problem. Researcher 31 11:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree the quotes are somewhat one-sided. Other quotes should be added. But SSB was a remarkable guru, among others because he made claims of divinity (self-puffery) so often and so explicitly and the quotes should reflect that. Andries 11:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
On second thoughts, SSB's teaching are just undistinctive eclectic mainstream Hinduism plus self puffery. I see little added value in writing down mainstream Hinduism here. Andries 16:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
On third thoughts, the interesting question is on what basis did he acquire and retain for so long so many followers? He was not the only miracle worker and godman around in India, as the anthropologist Lawrence Babb wrote, but only he became very famous and popular among the Indian upper higher class and abroad in the 1980s and 1990s. Clearly, self-puffery (claims of avatarhood to put it more friendly) was one aspect of the reasons why he became famous and popular and so should be quoted here. His use of mainstream Hindu theology was another aspect, but I still do not think that his use of mainstream Hinduism is remarkable or interesting enough to quote here. Another aspect, that merits to be quoted is his relation to the various organizations that bear his name and other individuals. Yet another aspect that is remarkable and deserves to be quoted is his claim to unit all religions. Andries (talk) 11:45, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

UnsourcedEdit

Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable, precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Sathya Sai Baba. --Antiquary 19:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Come and stay at Prasanthi Nilayam. Move with Me and experience My company and conversation. I never utter a word that does not have significance or do a deed without beneficial consequence. Listen to Me, watch Me. Then form your conclusions. Dive in and know the depth. Eat and know the taste.
  • Come to me, eager to learn, to progress, to see yourself in Me, and I shall certainly welcome you and show you the way. You will indeed be blessed.
  • Dharma protects those who protect Dharma
  • Give up all bad qualities in you, banish the ego and develop the spirit of surrender. You will then experience bliss.
  • Hands that help are holier than lips that pray.
  • Help ever, hurt never.
  • I do not need any publicity. What are you daring to publicize? What do you know about Me, let Me ask you! You speak one thing about Me today, and another tomorrow! Your faith has not been rendered unshakable. You praise Me when things go well; you blame Me when things go wrong. You flit from one refuge to another.
  • I know the agitations of your hearts, the aspirations, the waves and whirlpools; but, you do not know My heart. I react to the pain you undergo, the joy that you feel. For, I am in every heart. That is the temple where I dwell.
  • Love all, serve all.
  • Love is God, Live in Love.
  • Hands in the Society, Head in the Forest.
  • 3Ds = Duty, Devotion, Discipline
  • WATCH = watch your Words + Actions + Thoughts + Character + Heart
  • The whole world is Reflection, Reaction & Resound.
  • Seva is the best sadhana.
  • My life is My message.
  • Sow an action, reap a tendency; Sow a tendency, reap a habit; Sow a habit, reap a character; Sow a character, reap a destiny. You are the maker of your destiny. You can do or undo it.
  • Swami today tells us about the vocabulary of love.
  • Take one step towards Me; I shall take a hundred towards you.
  • The secret of happiness is not doing what one likes, but in liking what one has to do.
  • There is only one nation, the nation of humanity; There is only one religion, the religion of love; There is one language, language of the heart; There is only one God and He is Omnipresent.
  • This body of Mine is filled with attraction power from top to toe. It is the divine magnetic power. You are under the mistaken notion that Swami is having pain in His legs and therefore He is unable to walk comfortably... This attraction power in Me is increasing day by day. Whatever I touch with My hand, gets stuck to it.
    • Sai Baba discourse, March 16, Sai Ramesh Hall, Brindavan [Better sourcing by year is needed here.]
  • Where there is Love, there is Peace.
  • Why does the sun rise and set every day without delay or disruption? Why do these streams and rivers roar, murmur, and gossip over rock, pebble, and sand, as they meander to the parent sea? This is the answer: Know that I am the One who has ordained that these be such and shall behave so.
  • Why fear when I am here?
  • Time waste, is life waste.
    • Notice on the wall in his Ashram's canteen.
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