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Latest comment: 13 years ago by KHirsch in topic Attributed 1865 Quote from the bank of England


Misattributed Lincoln quote should be attributed?

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"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."

This is categorized as unattributed. I think it's attributed.

Senate document 23, page 91, 1865 as stated in "The Grip of Death: a study of modern money, debt slavery and desdtructive economies" by Michael Rowbotham, page 221

If someone is able to check original Senate document please do so and attribute this quote properly

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  • "This is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism ... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other" - Benjamin Franklin (referring to the final draft of the American Constitution)
It is clearly not a quote about money, but about Kyklos (the political cycle of governments in a society).
  • "If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way we let them kill as many as possible." - Harry Truman, 33rd US President
It's definitely not about money.
  • "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." - Robert A Heinlein
  • "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours"

- Colin Powell (on Saddam Hussein) February 2001

What has this do to with money?
  • "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich." - Leon Uris
This belongs under the war or terrorism quotes.

Removed some duplicates.

  • "The earth, in its natural, uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race." As the land gets cultivated, "it is the value of the improvement, only, and not the earth itself, that is in individual property. Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community a ground-rent..to every person, rich or poor...because it is in lieu of the natural inheritance, which, as a right, belongs to every man, over and above the property he may have created, or inherited from those who did" - Thomas Paine 1796, p. 611; 612-613
This blongs under the Georgism article in wikipedia, or similar land taxation article.

--213.35.168.105 14:47, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) (Stratofortress)

There are still some duplicates.

A bit biased?

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I came here looking for some good general quotes on money and what I found was a compendium of quotes whose entire purpose seems to be critiquing US monetary policy. Hopefully at some point this could be balanced out with some quotes that are actually about money and not banking and the federal reserve?

Show Me The Money

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Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is it listed? --71.254.104.95 03:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

A fuller, possibly better quote about this remark by Cuba Gooding Jr. is on the "Wealth" page...

Quotations from Wikipedia Article

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The Wikipedia article on "Money" previously contained quotations. However, on 3 October 2007, all of the quotations compiled to that point were removed by user Only1nTh1sF0rTh3Mon3y, who has since been recognized as a multiple-account vandal. Several of the quotations, while not applicable on the Wikipedia page, are certainly worthy of being placed here but have yet to find their way over. I leave it to the rest of the Wikiquote community to determine what of the former Wikipedia money quotations have merit and how they should be distributed on this page.

Among those quotes removed are:

  • "God made Man. Man made Money. Money made Man mad."
  • "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon." Gospel of Matthew 6:24 (KJV)
  • "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." First Epistle to Timothy 6:10 (KJV)
  • "When it's a question of money, everybody is of the same religion." Voltaire
  • "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." Cree proverb
  • "When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart." John Wesley
  • "Money. It's a gas." Pink Floyd
  • "Everybody loves 'money'. That's why it's called money." Danny DeVito
  • "Money doesn't talk, it swears." Bob Dylan
  • "So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?" Ayn Rand
  • "The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled." John Kenneth Galbraith
  • "Money is a stupid measure of achievement, but fortunately it is the only universal measure we have." - Charles Steinmetz
  • "When money talks, bullshit walks" Proverb used by officials in finance
  • "Money don't make a man, but man make money, because if you plan to be the man it's gonna take money." Da'unda'dogg
  • "What is money? Money is what makes a man act funny" Eminem


Attributed 1865 Quote from the bank of England

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Latest comment: 13 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.

  • Attributed to an editorial in the Times of London in 1865. No such editorial ever appeared. The earliest known appearance is September 2, 1898 in The Flaming Sword, Vol. XII, No.

This seems more than a little strange, because I think I have seen a photo of the article in a documentary...Nunamiut 00:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

There's a blurry copy of the Times of London in The Money Masters here, but I don't think that it's a picture of the specific editorial. I'll see if Bill Still actually knows when it is supposed to have appeared (by coincidence, just this morning I came across an email address of his and a forum he runs). I've never found a date given and I can't find it in the Digital Times Archive.
I have found (surprisingly) one Times article in the 1860s that uses both the words indurated and fixture, but it is a review of the book Words and Places by Isaac Taylor (Saturday, Mar 26, 1864; pg. 7; Issue 24830; col A), which has nothing to do with money.
I have also found one place where the word mischievous is used in relation to American currency (“The Civil War in America”, Friday, Aug 08, 1862; pg. 9; Issue 24319; col A), but it is completely different from the alleged editorial. I've also searched for the variant spellings mischievious and endurated and other fragments, but to no avail.
Also, it's a very silly quote. It's hard to imagine anyone actually writing that in an editorial.
KHirsch 21:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)Reply
I hardly think the comment silly. It reflects perfectly both the perspective and the arrogance of the central bankers, especially at that time. Their dominance in the world was being challenged. People mostly fail to comprehend the scope of the threat to globalist power, of both the Declaration of Independence as a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the establishment of a contractual government that made it possible for the people to be self governed through elected representatives. Unfortunately, the corruption of our Constitutional Republic has taken its toll on the comprehension of the American People for the Science of Liberty, through the infusion of socialistic philosophy into the political dialogue, disguised as modern "liberalism" and "progressivism". LibertyC33
Bill Still was not able to provide any more details.—KHirsch 03:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sillier stuff has been written. Come to think of it, most anything written in the 1800's seems silly to any of us today. My two cents.Nunamiut 00:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

And I think Still made a perfectly reasonable defense rational for its authenticity: it's contemporaries did not deem it as a total falshood. and as Still said: "something which for whatever reason passed the scrutiny of the Banking and Currency Committee." You said yourself at the forum that you were able to find the quote from 1898 and onwards, people at that time generally had better memory than us, and I think it's reasonably safe to say that there were still people alive in 1898 that had experienced 1864. Furthermore, for your theory to work ( that it is in fact a fraud ) you would have to have something on the order of, oh, I don't know... a conspiracy theory perhaps, for it to so suddenly appear among multiple sources and still be a complete fraud unassailed by it's contemporaries.. My 2 cents again as it were.. Nunamiut 00:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

Historical notes on the purported Times editorial

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The supposed "London Times editorial" was included in an advertisement for the Cincinnati Enquirer that appeared in other newspapers in 1898 and 1899, e.g. here in The Daily Times (Portsmouth, Ohio), Oct. 20, 1898, pg. 7.

The earliest appearance that I've been able to confirm is an item "The Plutocratic Programme" in the Labor Advocate, (Birmingham, AL) Saturday, June 18, 1898; Issue 23; col D (in InfoTrac's 19th Century U.S. Newspapers), reprinted from the Cleveland Recorder.

However, the item "Forged Documents" in the Grand Junction News (Colo.), Oct. 10, 1896, p. 3, reprinted from the Seattle Post is almost certainly referring to it when it says:

Another article going the rounds of the Populist press is an alleged extract from an editorial by the London Times. One of our local contemporaries reproduced it. This was one of the most glaringly absurd forgeries which has yet appeared in print, for it represents the Thunderer using the language of the most rabid type of wild-eyed Populists.

Note: "one of the most glaringly absurd forgeries"!

—KHirsch 17:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

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  • A wise man should have money in his head, but not in his heart.
  • Money is the blood and soul of men and whosoever has none wanders dead among the living.
    • Anonymous Ancient Greek saying.
  • Is there a number or mark planned for the hand or forehead in a new cashless society? YES, and I have seen the machines that are now ready to put it into operation.
  • Money is an asset whose value is based on the social trust that it will be exchanged against commodities, services and other assets produced in the future.
  • Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps you in touch with your children.
  • The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason: it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it from the process which currency was meant to serve. Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid avarice.
  • This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill.
  • The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world.
  • When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.
  • When you're rich, the government protects every buck you make and every shit you take.
    • Lewis Black, Accepted
  • He's got a wonderful head for money. There's this long slit on the top.
  • The great rule is not to talk about money with people who have much more or much less than you.
  • Money won't buy happiness, but it will pay the salaries of a large research staff to study the problem.
  • It doesn't matter if you're black or white, the only color that really matters is green.
  • By doing good with his money, a man as it were stamps the image of God upon it, and makes it pass current for the merchandise of heaven.
  • The deepest depth of vulgarism is that of setting up money as the ark of the covenant.
  • Money is a poor compensation for all the time we lose making it.
  • People lose common sense when they gain dollars and cents.
    • James Geary
  • If I can acquire money and also keep myself modest and faithful and magnanimous, point out the way, and I will acquire it.
  • I'd like to live like a poor man with lots of money.
  • Spending money comes in stages, like going broke.
  • Money doesn't always bring happiness. People with ten million dollars are no happier than people with nine million dollars.
  • Working for a lot of money can throw your self-image off.
  • Here we are sitting in a shower of gold, with nothing to hold up but a pitchfork.
  • Money is what you'd get on beautifully without if only other people weren't so crazy about it.
  • Money—in its absence we are coarse; in its presence we are vulgar.
  • The safest way to double your money is to fold it over once and put it in your pocket.
  • If you pay cash th' days won't roll by so fast.
    • Kin Hubbard
  • I don't believe money is no object. Money is the object.
  • He who has money need have no fear of the law.
    • Old Russian saying
  • When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other.
  • If you want to know what God thinks about money, just look at the people He gives it to.
    • Irish proverb
  • A penny in the purse is a gude friend.
    • Scottish proverb
  • Money maks the mare to go whether she has legs or no.
    • Scottish proverb
  • Money is like an eel in the hand.
    • Welsh Proverb.
  • With money in your pocket, you are wise, and you are handsome, and you sing well.
    • Yiddish Proverb.
  • Money is a curious thing to those who lack it, as they soon find that if they haven't got it, curiously enough, they can't spend it either.
  • Money has little value to its possessor unless it also has value to others.
  • It's not because I'm rich that I kan pay my workers well, it's because I pay my workers well that I'm rich.
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