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WelcomeEdit

Hi Mdd. Welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! WelcomeBot owner!question? 21:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Murray Gell-Mann‎Edit

Thanks for your recent additions, including those to this page. But I just wanted to give you a heads up that we usually do not include so much in the intros to pages. Usually we limit it to one or two sentences and let the user click through to WP if they want to see more. Before I trimmed it, I wanted to at least let you know. Thanks. ~ UDScott 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning. I added the description because of the stub-tag, see here. Am I correct, that you just have to added one more sentence to get that tag removed? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker 17:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, now I see what you were thinking - actually, the stub tag just refers to the number of quotes that are on a page. It's a bit subjective - see Wikiquote:Stub#Identifying_a_stub for more, but it is applied to a page when it just seems to need a bit more to stand on its own. ~ UDScott 17:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Three more (short) questions:
  1. Do you think the Murray Gell-Mann‎ is no longer a stub now?
  2. And what about the Kenneth Boulding article? Is this also still a stub?
  3. Is het ok, that I moved down the stub tag to the bottum of the article, for example here
-- Marcel Douwe Dekker 21:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
  1. It's borderline, but I'd probably say that no it's no longer a stub - although more quotes would be good if there are any.
  2. Yes, and actually this page has a problem in that none of the quotes are sourced - as such, this page could be nominated for proposed deletion. When trying to determine if a page is a stub, I would not count the unsourced quotes.
  3. Actually, no we like to keep the stub tag just below the intro - we found that when it is placed at the bottom of the page, it got lost and people ignored it. When it is higher, it is more easily seen and usually people try to add quotes.
~ UDScott 01:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Computer science and telescopesEdit

I left a reply at Talk:Computer science. Cheers, —Ruud 22:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:ProdwarningEdit

Thanks for sending a warning to User:Pavan duggal. When someone else proposed the deletion, you can notify contributors with {{PRODNote}} instead of {{PRODWarning}} if you prefer. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this tip. I was unfamiliar with this template, but will use this next time. -- Mdd (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

TranslationsEdit

Hi Mdd. I undid a recent edit of yours ("English text first") because it is longstanding practice at Wikiquote to place the original text first and the English translation beneath, as described at Wikiquote:Guide to layout and illustrated at Wikiquote:Templates. I would not say one way is better than the other (though I personally like giving priority to the original), but it is good to be consistent.

Thanks, by the way, for your work on the Knowledge article. Your chronological reorganization is turning out very well. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no intention of violating the practice at Wikiquote to place the original text first. I do have a problem with that article (after the heading) starting with four line of Ancient Greek, because I like article's to be approachable and as simple as possible. The subject itself is difficult enough.
For this reason I already rearranged the three Aristotle quotes to solve my first objection. I would prefer to move the Ancient Greek text to the Aristotle article, and just leave the English text. Do you mind? -- Mdd (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Today in the Gregor Mendel there was a similar situation, which I wikified and added the "English text first". The main reason I altered the appearance is, because I think it is more accessible for ordinary people. It might be time to reconsider that "longstanding practice". -- Mdd (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Bertrand Russell ("1970s")Edit

Hi Mdd, could you check again the "1970s" subdivision that you've made in the Bertrand Russell article? I do not think it makes much sense because Russell didn't say those lines in the 70's. Thanks! ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. If you have more information about the origin of those quotes, please add that to the description, and rearrange those quotes. I did make a subdivision in the article, but I didn't double check single quotes. -- Mdd (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. Actually, I was at a loss of what to do with those quotes (because no, I do not have more information about their origins), and that is why I asked you. I now have a good idea (I think) about what to do with them, but I will discuss it with UDScott first. Best regards, Daniel Tomé (talk) 21:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. It might be an idea to alter the title of that final chapter in "Posthumously". -- Mdd (talk) 22:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer to create a more general section, where we could put those quotes AND other (few) key quotes that appear in the subpages of Russell's books (with a link to those pages). I do not know what to call it, though (I am not sure if calling it "Sourced" is right). What do you think? ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer to keep it simple and follow established good practices. Now I noticed the contents of the Albert Einstein seems like a good example to follow, particular the sections "Youth" and "Attributed from (memory and) posthumous publications". And in combination with the example of Dostoevsky's page UDScott gave this afternoon. -- Mdd (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. "Attributed from posthumous publications" seems fine, if you like you can add that section yourself. Maybe tomorrow, or in the next few days, I will work on the Russell page again, and then I will follow your and UDScott's advice. Thanks for the help. - Daniel Tomé (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Ok, done and thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 22:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Knowledge‎Edit

Fantastic job in historical/chronological format! It should become a standard for the type.

ELApro (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I fully agree that the article is improving, although I personally sort of got stuck in the process. But I doubt that this is the only right way. For example the arrangement of the German Wikiquote article Wissen is an other option, which has it's charm. The same with the compact Italian article Conoscenza. Every of these arrangements seem to have it's strengths and weaknesses. -- Mdd (talk) 18:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Polymath (redirect)Edit

I have proposed to delete the Polymath redirect that you created, for the reason given in the {{prod}} notice on that page. Feel free to discuss on the talk page if you disagree. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, you are right, my mistake. -- Mdd (talk) 18:06, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Advice re. edit summaries and large editsEdit

I would recommend doing this sort of thing in two edits, for a couple reasons: (1) "wikify" refers to formatting and linking, and does not adequately describe the removal of large quantities of unsourced quotes; and (2) when you reorder quotes and remove quotes at the same time, it is difficult to see what was removed if, perchance, someone wants to work on sourcing them. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I understand that for clearity "wikification" and "removal of large quantities of unsourced quotes" should kept separately and mentioned in separate edit-summeries. I will try to keep this in mind. Thanks you. -- Mdd (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


I think it was a good idea to prune external links in the Roger Penrose article as you did here. But again, the edit summary "Some rearrangement(s)" does not describe what was dome. When removing content from an article, especially large quantities of content, it is very helpful to describe what you are doing, and why. This is useful when people review recent changes or research article histories, and it is a courtesy to contributors who added the information in the first place. Regards, Ningauble (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

In my vocabulary "some rearrangements" means "rearrangement of the article more according to the general standard". And that is often the reason why I trim an introduction and/or an excessive external links section. Those sections are most of the time copy/pasted from Wikipedia articles in the first place, and keeping the mirrored version here is rather questionable... and not according to general standards. So "Some rearrangement(s)" in general does explains, why I removed those sections. -- Mdd (talk) 00:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
As a native English speaker, it does not strike me as explanatory at all. Imagine a newcomer wondering why their contribution was removed: "some rearrangements" gives no indication of what was wrong. Sometimes this language is used as a euphemism that deliberately avoids saying what is going on, as e.g. when a corporation announces layoffs without actually saying anyone is being laid off, but this usage is not a good way to inform our contributors about what is happening and why.

As Wikiquote's newest administrator, you will probably find many more occasions to remove or delete content. When this happens, even if one is not acting as an administrator, I think it is very important for administrators to be clear about what we are doing and why we are doing it. Please consider being more explicit about the reason when you remove substantial content. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Bertrand Russell againEdit

Hi Mdd, how are you? I want to thank you for trying to sort out the copyright issues with the "What Desires Are Politically Important?" and other sections of the Bertrand Russell article. Just so you know, I went ahead and trimmed it a little bit. Of course I am now second guessing myself and wondering if that was too bold of me. But the final result looks pretty OK to me. Finally, and on a different note, I should admit that I sometimes copy your format for pictures&quotes; please take this imitation as a form of flattery ;) Yours, Daniel Tomé (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. Thank you for your important input. FYI, I don't plan to do any more edits to the "What Desires Are Politically Important?" section. I leave it to others now. Regards, Daniel Tomé (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Howard S. BeckerEdit

Hi Mdd. Thanks for your note, and thanks for the interesting Becker quotes. ~ talk

Admin?Edit

I was wondering if you would be open to becoming an admin here. I believe you have been a solid contributor for quite some time and that the site would benefit from having another admin. If you are OK with it, I will nominate you for the position. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I like to accept your offer. I am prepared to assist in administrative tasks on Wikiquote, where I can. -- Mdd (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Great! Please signify your acceptance at Wikiquote:Requests for adminship. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Recent disputesEdit

I believe I tend to agree with you on what I can understand of most issues in at least some of your previous disputes with others, though probably not all of them, but I don't recommend calling for censure or retaliation in any way that is not necessary to prevent further harm to oneself or others, even when you feel you have been wrongly accused or even slandered. I am aware that most people are prone to think they are entirely or largely right and others entirely or largely wrong, when the absurd truth is that many adversaries of each other can often be both right and wrong in ways neither clearly discerns or suspects — and the disputes we must most involve ourselves in are very often not those that are or can be most openly and overtly dealt with. I still support your admin nomination, and though I can perceive you might have been mistaken in the past in regard to some things, I believe others were probably more mistaken in regard to others, and I hope that eventually much more forgiveness can be found among all the disputants. May your good fortunes here and elsewhere increase, with the passages of Time. ~ Kalki·· 02:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Posthumous publicationsEdit

I noticed that, in organizing people articles with chronological sections, you have been using the heading "Attributed from posthumous publications" for attributions in works by others. The term posthumous publication generally refers to works written by the author but not published in his lifetime, e.g. unfinished manuscripts, letters, journals, and such. For things that are not "works of the author" per se, I am not sure this is the best heading. I think that when an attribution identifies the date of origin it can be placed in the main chronology, and when it does not then it is probably sufficient to simply label the section "Attributed". ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ningauble, earlier discussion started here on my talk page at Bertrand Russell ("1970s"). In short: it is a phrase Daniel and I decided on following the example of the Albert Einstein article, which has section called: "Attributed from memory and posthumous publications". If you want to propose some changes here, it seems like a good idea to move this discussion to a more public place. -- Mdd (talk) 16:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
In the Bertrand Russell page, an "Attributed" section would be fine for quotes such as those from My Father — Bertrand Russell (written by his daughter, "from memory"), but it is not, I think, good enough for books such as The Collected Papers of Bertrand Russell (1983-2005), i.e., compilations of the author's work published after his death. I don't know what the best solution to this problem is. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Daniel, is something like this an acceptable solution? -- Mdd (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but those really are "attributed" to the author. The problem, however, is that "Attributed" is not the right word to use for anthologies, at least to my understanding. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Noam Chomsky‎Edit

Awesome work on this page, which has needed attention for quite some time. I just have one comment on your work - the way you have presented the sources (in small text) is not something I would advise. It tends to diminish the importance of sources, which is never something we want to encourage. That is why our templates do not use this format (for some similar discussion, see here where one of the items discussed is the use of small text for citations). I would recommend changing these back to full size. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks UDScott, I was planning on doing something about that small text and I will. -- Mdd (talk) 01:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies - I didn't pay close enough attention - I thought you had added the small text. I'll leave you to it. Thanks again. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

CongratsEdit

I just closed your RfA and promoted you to administrator. Congrats, and try not to delete everything in celebration. :) EVula // talk // // 22:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks for volunteering to help with the janitorial work. Feel free to ask me or anyone at WQ:AN if you have questions about the mop & bucket. ~ Ningauble (talk) 22:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks you both. -- Mdd (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Welcome aboard! ~ UDScott (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I hope to put my mob and bucket to good use here. -- Mdd (talk) 01:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations. You have clearly already been a worthy worker here — and I am glad you have been officially recognized as such. ~ Kalki·· 14:09, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations from me also - cheers! BD2412 T 16:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Also thanks you both, glad to be aboard. -- Mdd (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Deleted user-talk pageEdit

Thank you for your contributions around the project. You deleted the page User talk:Ort43v, which was written by someone and I had never visited. But I wonder what was there. It doesn't seem to be just testing but seems something for me. Would you check it out? --Ort43v (talk) 12:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ort43v, I removed a message of myself where I suggested to remove your userpage experiments, such as also happened on wiktionary (based on their WT:CFI: contributions first, then a user page). But after I noticed your Meta experiment I decided to give you a change. -- Mdd (talk) 12:31, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Mdd. It might have been clearer to use speedy deletion case #G4 "Author request" with a comment about retracting your own post, rather than using "Test page", which is normally used under case #G1 "Nonsense" or #A1 "no content". (By the way, I don't see "contributions first..." at WT:CFI, but the idea has some merit.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Ningauble, I will keep this in mind. And, it indeed seems SemperBlotto made a judgment call on WT (as well). -- Mdd (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Michael SchumacherEdit

Haha, good job completely and utterly confusing me with the restoration of Michael Schumacher. I'd deleted the interwikis and accidentally clicked it in one of my non-en contrib pages, and was confused as to why it was still there. :) EVula // talk // // 22:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. In the last minute I decided this article should be cleaned and not deleted. I will work on it. -- Mdd (talk) 22:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
No worries. I had to undo my edits on the dozen different language editions of the article, but that's hardly the end of the world (and not terribly difficult); the guy definitely seems notable, so if that's the price I have to pay for us to have a decent page, so be it. :) EVula // talk // // 22:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

User:ChongkianEdit

Hi Mdd. Why delete a harmless page? ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:46, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

It have asked myself the same question, and decided to removed this userpage anyway because that one edit seems like a test edit. If this user has more intentions. we will find out soon enough. -- Mdd (talk) 10:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
It's a good idea to check if the user contributes to other projects before deleting his page here. User:Chongkian, in this case, has a similar User page on Wikipedia, and that's why I wouldn't delete his page here. I think that, when in doubt, it's better to keep harmless user pages, rather than deleting them, so as to not drive away potential contributors. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I already noticed and restored the userpage. I fully agree with your last argument, and will check next time. -- Mdd (talk) 11:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

''Persona 4: The Animation''Edit

''Persona 4: The Animation'' has been listed at Votes for deletion. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/''Persona 4: The Animation''. Thank you. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this notification. I apparently missed something, when I removed the db nomination, earlier. -- Mdd (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Mohamed NasheedEdit

Thanks for being a "good" person. :-) DanielTom (talk) 11:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, this person seems quite notable, and since there were quotes available on the Wikipedia article, this was a small effort. -- Mdd (talk) 11:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

David FischmanEdit

Hola, Mdd! Thank you so much for your additions to David Fischman, I'm new at this, the language used in wikiquote is kinda complicated soon I'll get used to, and will improve my contributions. —This unsigned comment is by Sonqo Munan (talkcontribs) .

Edit summaryEdit

I think it's a bit misleading to call [1] a "correction". You changed one valid link to another valid link. 121a0012 (talk) 14:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that if a (new) article is available on Wikiquote, the link to the Wikipedia article should be replaced by a direct link to that (new) article. Don't you agree? -- Mdd (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but something like "local links" would be a much more informative edit summary in situations like this. "Correction" is misleading because the previous links were not erroneous. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"Darling, a true lady..."Edit

Hi Mdd. Your decision to delete that page was, of course, correct, but could you tell me which user/IP created it? Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It was IP:207.181.250.191 -- Mdd (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

On deleting pagesEdit

Good job admining, by the way. You don't give the other admins much to do :-) Just one thing: I think it's better not to show the content of deleted pages created by bots/that only contain spam links; it's important to show the deleted content when deleting a page, but only when the article is potentially meaningful. (Just my opinion.) Okay, take care. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, about 40 to 50% of the pages I have deleted are spambot pages. Most of them start with a normal (fake) text, and are identified as linkspam because of the link it contained. Now the deletion of those pages are listed (temporary) in the recent changes log and (permanent) in the deletion log. Because of transparency, I prefer that (most of) the deleted content is shown on both, so that other users can see what has been deleted. -- Mdd (talk) 12:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Understood, thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and welcome back. -- Mdd (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back to you! I trust you had a fun wikibreak ;-) DanielTom (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Alan Rusbridger proposed for deletionEdit

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Alan Rusbridger. If you think it needs to be discussed we can take it to Votes for deletion but, unless material with more quotability is provided, I don't think there is anything to it. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

for your help at Meta. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I need a coach couch. :) DanielTom (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

A note.Edit

Cirt and Daniel Tom are under an interaction ban, for at least the next several months. Please don't ask either of them to comment on requests by the other. I'll take care of the request. BD2412 T 12:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for resolving this. I do like to note, that regardless of the person I have expressed my concerns about this practice earlier here, and the block was not in line with this commitment. -- Mdd (talk) 13:10, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if I'd characterize that comment as a "commitment", but I consider this matter to be resolved and closed. Cheers! BD2412 T 17:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Prvoslav VujčićEdit

I de-PRODded this article. Excuse my inexperience, but I can't see that "No quotes by the subject" is grounds for deletion. It seems quite in order to have articles of quotes about someone. Please shout if you disagree.--Abramsky (talk) 10:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If there are no quotes of the person, the person (seems to) lack(s) quotability. Adding the prod-tag is a way to give the persons involved a week to add at least one quote. Since you removed the PROD tag, I added a VFD tag. -- Mdd (talk) 11:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/LogEdit

I undid your page move at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/User:Water Street. Please review the way closed discussions are logged at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log. Feel free to ask me if it is not clear how it works. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I didn't close it properly, but afterwards (today) I moved it twice. You now moved it back once (to Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/User:Water Street), which doesn't seem correct either. -- Mdd (talk) 17:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
My initial move was a goof, which I subsequently corrected. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Should this be deleted as well? And this? And this? One way or an other there seems to be multiple links to the page, see here, which shouldn't be there. -- Mdd (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Between the two of us, we made quite a mess. I will go ahead and clean them up. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much, it seems you succeeded. -- Mdd (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

more advanced solution for spambotsEdit

Regarding the following comment about spammers that you redacted as off-topic:[2]

Ok, you are asking how we would like to generally treat these circumstances? Let me tell you that I would prefer not to block at all, but I would prefer more advanced solution if possible against these spambots. -- Mdd (talk) 19:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

This is not really off-topic: it would be very desirable to avoid wasting so much time manually deleting this junk.

One tool that could prevent this type of spam from being posted in the first place is the Abuse Filter. Unfortunately, the pattern of spam varies enough that it is difficult to design an effective filter unless the definition of prohibited edits is quite broad. E.g., if we adopt a policy that new or unregistered users may not post any external links in their user pages then it would be easy for the Abuse Filter to enforce it, but I am not sure the community would agree to such a strong restriction. (There are perfectly good reasons to post external links, e.g. to cite a quotation.)

Designing a more flexible filter is a technically challenging task. There is a whole community of people at Wikipedia who work on developing and maintaining filters but we do not have any experts here at Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. My text was off topic that it didn't respond to the topic that "our blocking policy does not reflect" the practice of direct blocking. Now I agree that it was not really off-topic, and it would indeed "be very desirable to avoid wasting so much time manually deleting this junk".
As to the solutions your proposing. I have no experience with those Abuse Filters, and I understand there are no experts here on Wikiquote, What I do understand is, or better, what I keep wondering, if this is a concern of the Wikimedia Foundation? And if they have plans to deal with this in all Wikimedia projects?
Als it might be interesting to tell, that on the other Wiki I moderate [3], we successfully solved this problem 1.5 years ago. There was a similar pattern of spambots attacks, up to 5 to 20 each day. I postulated, that those usernames were most likely created automatically. So we added another filter to the username creation process, and it worked. No more spambots ever since... However, I don't think we can use the remedy here.
An other solution I have been think about is to reduce the time to "...manually deleting this junk". We could create a tool, that with one comment would block the new user, and remove all it's edits. However, again I don't know how. -- Mdd (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
It should be easy to block via filter posts that include "<br><br>Also visit my"... (or something to that effect). ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello !Edit

Thanks for the welcome message.

What is Template:Defaultsort ? I saw that you just filled it in on Witter Bynner; is this a necessary indexing of new pages ?

Thank you :) Aphorist (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Aphorist you're welcome. That template sorts the articles in categories, and is required for all biographical articles. For example: With that template the "Witter Bynner" article is added under "B" in the Category:American poets, otherwise it ends up under "W". -- Mdd (talk) 20:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Gotcha. Aphorist (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Also, how does page deletion work around here ? I found the page Smartbomb and I don't think it really belongs. Aphorist (talk) 21:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
There is info at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion. Now I noticed the article was missing the context, which is now added. I am not convinced you should proceed, because the subject is to be considered quotable, see also Wikiquote:Quotability. -- Mdd (talk) 21:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much for your formatting helpEdit

Thanks much for your recent formatting help on a slew of pages I'd previously created and sourced from scratch.

I was just curious, I don't think there is any Wikiquote policy that says Further reading sections are outright banned on Wikiquote, and I personally feel they could only be helpful and informative for the reader or researcher who is looking for more information.

What are your thoughts on retaining them?

Thank you for your interest,

-- Cirt (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, I gave this some second thoughts myself today. First of all there are no absolute rules on Wikipedia or Wikiquote, so if you want to restore it, just go ahead. Now it is just the status quo, that Wikiquote article are standard without further reading section. These sections were only in about 30 articles (which I all removed today). The main reason to removed these sections was just assistance in upholding the Wikiquote standards and status quo.
Now I am well aware that these sections can be informative, such as long introductions can also be informative. On the other hand, they can also be considered a distraction. Those long introductions and further reading sections are most of the time already present at the Wikipedia article, or can be moved there. This is something I very much prefer: Wikiquote should focus on quotes.
Now there is a similarity with the external link sections on Wikiquote. They should also focus on sources, that offer more quotes. If any particular source is indeed interesting for Wikiquote, you could always extract quotes from that source and add it in the format of the article. -- Mdd (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
The intro I can understand your objections. But the other 2 sects are at the bottom of the article. The reader presumably has already read the quotes sects. I don't see the harm in having more info. -- Cirt (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I think Mdd had it right with the edit summary "this is not Wikipedia". The reader or researcher who is looking for more information can turn to Wikipedia, and linking to our sister project is a Good Thing™. Wikiquote's purpose is to collect notable quotations, some of which are organized by subject; but it is not within Wikiquote's remit to provide other information or resources related to those subjects. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, but neither does it harm anyone or cause the end of the world to have a few suggestions for further reading. Everything in moderation, no need for extremists, either way. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
"Extremists"? I invite you to reconsider your characterization of those with whom you disagree. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
You assume too much, and you mischaracterize my words, I am not saying anyone is, I am saying there is no need for anyone to be so, and I hope you would agree with me that moderation is best. :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Attempt at compromise and gesture of good faithEdit

I've tried to show you an outreach of a measure of good faith.

I see what you are saying about not being Wikipedia.

We can rely upon Wikipedia for extensive further reading lists, and therefore just provide some key valuable select few recommendations here, as well.

With that in mind, I've tried to come to an attempt at compromise with you.

I've added back some further reading sects, but I've also greatly trimmed down the size of those sects.

Thank you very much for your polite demeanor and kind tone of speech during this communication process, I really appreciate it.

I hope this is satisfactory to you,

-- Cirt (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I already suggested you can make an exception to the rule. If you think, the general reading section should be allowed in general, the Village pump might be the place to further discuss this. -- Mdd (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Alright, well I'm glad we could come to an amicable resolution to all this. I think a better place for future discussion might be some place where there is (or isn't) a policy proposal discussing unified page formatting, where perhaps we could for example also talk about getting rid of things like arbitrary and capricious use of bolding. :) -- Cirt (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Mdd that this should be discussed at the Village Pump, and have started a discussion of "Further reading" sections there. I don't quite agree with Cirt that this should be treated as a matter of page formatting. It is really a matter of the type of content rather the format in which it is displayed. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Understood. I see the community consensus on this issue is with you. Yes check.svgY Done, I have removed all sects in question from those named pages. Hopefully this is now satisfactory to you, -- Cirt (talk) 22:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

unsourced quotesEdit

hi :)

i have "location numbers" for the quotes i added (from the ebooks i saved them from), but is it worth sourcing them using those? is that enough of a way of confirmation to keep the quotes on the page, or not good enough? i didn't find too much discussion about citing ebooks but there's this.. so maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources/Archive_31#How_do_you_cite_E-Books_from_Kindle.3F

Buckwheatloaf (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpEdit

Thanks for your help at Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Auto_spambot_detection_with_User:Abuse_filter.

Ningauble has a good idea there, can you please start a new thread to help us out and hopefully move things forward? -- Cirt (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

UnderstoodEdit

I'll try to remember not to copy/paste stuff to your talk page in the future.

Have a great day! :)

Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
You're most welcome! I hope you're doing well, -- Cirt (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Votes for deletionEdit

Hi Mdd, since the deadline for discussion has passed, could you close this discussion? BD2412 pointed me to you because you were not involved in the discussion. I must mention that there is a degree of urgency because the deletion of Brimstone's Commons pictures depends on whether there are articles to support the need for the pictures, and the WikiQuote article is the last to host the pictures. Due to the urgency, I have also reached out to Abramsky. Thank you very much. Starship.paint (talk) 07:18, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt actions! Starship.paint (talk) 23:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

ProtectionEdit

I already left this message before. Can you or another admin please protect my talk page. It is being met with vandalism again and I don't want to consistently revert the gibberish.

Additionally, please protect or semi-protect the following articles as they are being met with vandalism once again:

I would suggest heavy protection. I reverted them to before the vandalism began, but I would highly recommend that they be protected from all new users as most of the vandalism is being done by the same sockpuppets from prior. Reverting the edits only triggers more activity from this sockpuppeteer. I would suggest a checkuser again for all the most recent accounts that have vandalised these articles and my talk page as they are all likely one and the same. Please notify me when the protection has been made. Thanks in advance. - Zarbon (talk) 19:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

PingEdit

To block User:Tell me about it! ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I just got back. -- Mdd (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
No problem, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent VandalismEdit

Hello. I just wanted to thank you for noticing the recent vandalism that my talk page has been met with. Additionally, I would like to inform you that this is more than likely the same user that has been impersonating numerous members of this community including myself. I would highly recommend performing checkuser on all newly created accounts in order to ensure that this form of behavior comes to a halt. I can confirm with my personal experience that this user has created a substantial amount of accounts ranging in the high hundreds if not thousands and many of them are easily just an attempt to infuriate specific users or simply vandalize pre-existing material on this wiki and its sister projects. - Zarbon (talk) 00:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Odissi danceEdit

I am in the process of adding quotes. The prod is still there. What is the exact objection, So that I can make changes.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

The objection was just that "there were no quotes". After quotes are added, the template can be removed. -- Mdd (talk) 12:40, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Just for the record: If a new lemma is created without quotes, this lemma can be speedy-deleted, and the lemma is gone. Adding a prod-template instead gives the author more time to add quotes. You can avoid this template being added, by starting a lemma with at least one or more quote. -- Mdd (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Your opinionEdit

How are some of my articles, are they well written and really benefiting Wikiquote? Are my contributions benefiting Wikiquote? Thanks! --~~Goldenburg111 21:21, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It's just fine. Just learn how other editors further improve your work, and it will get even better. -- Mdd (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Mdd! I have been recently watching User:DanielTom's contributions. --~~Goldenburg111 00:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

Thanks for removing the vandalism on my talk page.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from me too for your recent vandalism reversion. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks you both. -- Mdd (talk) 00:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Administrative tipEdit

Aren't you supposed to block users with inappropriate names? I have been going through the block log. --~~Goldenburg111 00:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. -- Mdd (talk) 01:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Also delete Talking help battle bucker hill texts and it's talk page. BTW, keep up with Category:Candidates for speedy deletion --~~Goldenburg111 18:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Magic word, Golden, you forgot the magical word! ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, please and thank you. I have been battling my Simple Wikipedia ban. --~~Goldenburg111 13:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

ImpersonatorEdit

You may want to block another Dragon Ball sock/vandal impersonating as Zarbon. [4] Thanks, DanielTom (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, done. -- Mdd (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

I've been wondering: are you, or other admins, automatically notified when someone posts at the Admins' noticeboard? ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

No, however under the user Preferences/User profile/Email options, you can choose "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed", and you can put the Admins' noticeboard on your watchlist. -- Mdd (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
I see, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

ping againEdit

Talk item moved to Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Ongoing_vandalism_in_the_past_weeks. -- Mdd (talk) 19:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProjectEdit

Hi, Mdd. Since your an administrator and usually work on adding quotes to Wikiquote pages. Would you like to join Wikiquote:WikiProject Weekly Cleanup? If you don't need a welcome, just say so. --~~Goldenburg111 19:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I definitely welcome the initiative, and did started some cleanup when I was more active here. Mdd (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
You know, I am very annoyed of how we don't have a sufficient amount of sysops here. Yet, I am not saying I should be admin (since I am currently banned on a project for being to much work to the admins their). But I am saying is we need more admins. To be honest, Kalki should have succeeded in his 3rd request for adminship. Now, we are waiting for around 5 hours until an administrator come over here and cleans the mess. Maybe even 10 hours if the night time gets the best of them. --~~Goldenburg111 00:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Well I am sorry about that. Accepting the global sysops on this project, as suggested in the Wikiquote:Village pump, might be a solution. -- Mdd (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Global Sysops usually don't help out at the right time. --~~Goldenburg111 00:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to edit here!Edit

meta:User:Goldenburg111/Reports/Wikiquote Vandalism Statics, I would suggest you help out and update this place :) --~~Goldenburg111 22:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Block logs are already automatically created, and can be publically accessed (see for example here). -- Mdd (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thank you. But I usually like to show block logs individually for each vandal. --~~Goldenburg111 22:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
It is strange to reflect on this matter especially on another Wikiproject, and it might give a wrong signal. There is an ongoing discussion about this on the Wikiquote:Administrators noticeboard, where you are welcome to (further) participate. -- Mdd (talk) 22:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
(I understand that this is your final reply) Meta's scope is to type out pages or documents about the Wikimedia Project. I, in my opinion, is pretty fair. I asked an expert in the Wiki field if the report is appropriate. --~~Goldenburg111 22:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Dragonball vandalEdit

Hi Mdd, any recent sight of our friend? (who is surely reading me o/~ ) --Vituzzu (talk) 22:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

thanks for your work here, much appreciated, and do you have a family member here at Wikiquote? ;) --~~Goldenburg111 21:27, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Hi there, Mdd !

Thank you for your contributions helping out with the Main Page.

Please see Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/February 23, 2014 -- I left a note about trimming superfluous images as it seems most of the community is against superfluous and irrelevant images both on the Main Page and on quote pages themselves.

I hope you are well,

-- Cirt (talk) 23:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for your participation at Wikiquote:Village_pump#Images_make_mobile_site_UNREADABLE, much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

While I was gone at the end of February, how was the vandalism? Was it increasing? --~~Goldenburg111 01:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

SpambotsEdit

Hi Mdd, you can block EmilMeiners as well if you'd like. It belongs to a group of spambots including OLYMaggierffli. I've blocked their IP address globally to prevent more spambots from being created. Kind regards, Mathonius (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done Mdd (talk) 13:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

vandalism (ping)Edit

Mdd for the rescue? ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2014 (UTC) P.S. Okay, vandal blocked. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

hi Mdd, can you please update the mediatext recent changes board? I have X mark.svgN Not Done all the bot requests that were left out for more than a year, and have declined mine and another request for bot. Thanks! :-) --~~Goldenburg111 23:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
If you are referring to the text on top of the Special:RecentChanges page, administrators cannot change that text as far a I know. - Mdd (talk) 23:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
actually, UDScott changes it... --~~Goldenburg111 00:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

QOTD 26 March 2014Edit

I posted this at the notice board and immediately had to take care of other things — but am briefly back and I saw you recently active — so I am posting it here also:

I did fall behind in this one — I was juggling various ideas for several quotes for days, and I actually spent a few hours seeking at the commons, good images I might use with the "early leaf a flower" of golden hues, of which Frost speaks in the QOTD selected (among other ideas), and didn'tt find quite what I was looking for, but the best I could come up with seems okay, and is presented at Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/March 26, 2014, but it needs to be moved to Wikiquote:Quote of the day/March 26, 2014. ~ Kalki·· 00:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

FYIEdit

Hi Mdd! I've locked this account because that's a crosswiki spam(made on 555 wikis as you noticed). There were a few sockpuppets made in order to promote this photographer via Wikipedia (555 mainspace articles made via automatic translators, thousands of useless wikilink), unfortunately some of his pictures were the "picklock" of all this spam. --Vituzzu (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up, but I think I don't fully understand, considering there is an Augusto De Luca article, and even a Wikipedia entry. Is there some kind of discussion about this? User:Wim b's argument "crosswiki spam (see user's CA)" [5] doesn't ring a bell either. -- Mdd (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
You can see also this discussion for more infos--Wim b 00:10, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, which indicates that this is no ordinary spam. Now it seems to me, that:
  • If in this situation there would be a CheckUser report, proving that the userpage is created by a sockpuppeteer, then this is sufficient reason to speedy delete the page.
  • A global lock alone, doesn't seem like sufficient reason to remove the userpage info
Personally, I think we should not tolerate this kind of practice, but I think it is up to the local community here to decide (in a RfD). -- Mdd (talk) 01:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I won't open any report because there are too many realnames involved, but, speaking frankly that would a good example for any article about duck test ;)
Dealing with Wikipedia we must admin we are defenceless towards this kind of highly structured promotion: every wikiproject says "...but it's on hundreds of wikis!" then... it's like a dog chasing its own tail.
--Vituzzu (talk) 18:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I started a proposed deletion so that community can participate here. -- Mdd (talk) 19:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Where is it? --~~Goldenburg111 20:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
At User:Augusto De Luca. -- Mdd (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
WQ:PROD is not a process for community participation, it is for routine deletions that neeed no discussion. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:22, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
What I meant was, that the community is given the (first) possibility to participate here (by removing the prod nom, or let it be). -- Mdd (talk) 12:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Now that the prod nomination is removed, a VfD is started, see here. -- Mdd (talk) 03:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I hope en.wikiquote won't be reached by more SEOers, otherwise you'll waste some 30 hours a day in discussing about how to deal with spam ;)
--Vituzzu (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

MaterialismEdit

Thanks for the editorial changes to this and the Parable article. I hope the imgs I fitted are in order. I intend starting an article on Egalitarian; can quotes of Egalitarianism be added to this.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Why not name the article "Egalitarianism" similar to the Wikipedia article? -- Mdd (talk) 11:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Wafa SultanEdit

Greetings Mdd. Is this page correctly formatted and cleaned up? I also saw this. So I cleaned up the page by removing the references and adding the interview section under the quotes section. Cheers! --~ Goldenburg111 13:49, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Goldenburg111, before I restored the article I checked online possible (reliable) source of the existing quotes, and these are now added to the article. Cleaning up articles often requires going back to the (online) source or finding more reliable alternative sources. -- Mdd (talk) 10:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thanks! --~ Goldenburg111 21:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi!Edit

Hello Mdd, following a request by a SWMT member, I performed a 6 hour rangeblock on 204.43.204.96/27 as no administrator appeared to be active at the time. I notice that shortly after you performed a 1 month on a single ip in the range I blocked. The IPs belong to the Mesa School District, and appear to have multiple IPs assigned to a single lab, so I don't think it's very useful to extend the block on a single IP. If you think it worthwhile to extend the block for a month, I'd do it on the rangeblock itself, even if only for ease of tracking. Kind regards, Snowolf How can I help? 16:04, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that while I was writing this post, you blocked two additional IPs in that range. Again, I don't think it makes much sense to go around wacking ips when it's just a /27... Snowolf How can I help? 16:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but I am afraid I am not familiar with a range block, and its effect. I just blocked the three ip addresses, that actually have been used. -- Mdd (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
See WP:RANGE and technical details at Meta linked from there. This mechanism is particularly useful in cases, like this one, when the range is known to be associated with a particular site or organization. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 14:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Main PageEdit

Hello Mdd, since I see you are currently editing Wikiquote, I am wondering if you wouldn't mind removing the interwiki links from the Main Page. The links are currently being served from this page on Wikidata and having those still on the Main Page are overwriting Wikidata and making it ineffective. Just asking :) - Thanks, John F. Lewis (talk) 11:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done Mdd (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. John F. Lewis (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

The System of the World in Four DialoguesEdit

Please stop reverting and moving without discussion. The System of the World in Four Dialogue is one specific translation of Galileo's work. I started this article to provide an alternative to having various translations of his work on one page. Other various translations can still be found under the Galileo article. Stilman Drake's (among others) translations are not included in the "System of the World in Four Dialogues" page. Please let me continue to develop this article independently of other translations.

—This unsigned comment is by ELApro (talkcontribs) . - 19:44, 11 April 2014‎

The move has been explained one hour ago at Talk:Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. -- Mdd (talk) 19:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Bsadowski1Edit

This was a mistake. --Glaisher (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I know and already undone the block. -- Mdd (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. --Glaisher (talk) 10:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

AdorationEdit

You have raised a technical issue in my creating the articles starting with a redlink in the main space, and after completing it listing it on my user page. I have been following this procedure for the last nearly four months but nobody pointed this as a wrong procedure earlier. Is your objection to my creating articles and expanding stub articles or is it on the procedural aspect? Pl clarify. In case the procedure is to corrected let me know the correct procedure. I am not comfortable with the sandbox procedure.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Mdd, thanks for the clarification. Can I start the article first with a redlink in my user page, and after it is substantially expanded transfer it to the main page? In the case of creating articles in sandbox I had problems with transferring it to main space in wikipedia and had to seek help of an Admn to do the transfer. Also, my other collaborators in Wikipedia wanted their contributions retained in the main article. Hence we discontinued creating articles in sandbox page. Hence my preference is to create with a redlink from my user page. Incidentally, do you have any objection to my adding quotes to the stub or other articles created by you? --Nvvchar (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Mdd for posting on the main page. Too tired now, late night. I may add more tomarrow and also improve links.--Nvvchar (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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