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Christian M. (2016)...Edit

@Saroj Uprety:

A long history of problematic edits and ignoring rules, and in trying to undo vandalism (or so he egregiously claims), he continuously adds to the problem, and mocks those who undo his edits. He constantly claims he would never add unnecessary emphasis to quotes again, but he constantly breaks that promise without any remorse (besides, he should never have vandalized to begin with). And fellow user Eaglestorm (a longtime model editor) will back me up on this one. I request this user be blocked for good and is denied access to talk pages. DawgDeputy (talk) 00:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The editor has been quite delusional in claiming DawgDeputy, me and Wikilubber (whom he "assumed" DawgDeputy was) are his allies. It is practically insulting to the community that he has ran socks and boasts about it on his userpage. Patience and AGF are long-exhausted with this guy. and look at how stupid he is forumshopping all the editors that have been pinged in a rather templated and copasted message! Address the issues here boy, not by scurrying off to each editor. Have the banhammer ready, he's just done. --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Furthermore, that editor claimed he was leaving Wikiquote, but no matter what, he just continues to come back for more, and acts like a drama queen on his own user page before undoing his own drama-queen edits (undoing his own edits will never undo the damage). Christian M. (2016) lied yet again. DawgDeputy (talk) 22:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Christian M. (2016), DawgDeputy: Guys, fighting over if something should be "I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy!" or "I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy." is such a waste of time. Can you two collaborate? Can you not name-call? —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

May I make a suggestion? Christian M. (2016)'s edits are becoming very annoying to us. In fact, Christian M (2016)'s account must be terminated immediately. AdamDeanHall (talk) 02:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Termination is a stretch. The appropriate action is to block him from ever editing (including talk pages and user pages) on Wikiquote (and only Wikiquote, since this is the only Wikimedia site where he does any damage) ever again. DawgDeputy (talk) 14:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Why... all of us here at Wikiquote. The administrators, bureaucrats and editors! Who'd you expect? AdamDeanHall (talk) 19:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Regardless of to whom Christian M. (2016) is very annoying, that does not change the fact that his excessive, unnecessary emphasis to quotes and his drama-queen edits to his own page make for a highly-problematic editor. DawgDeputy (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

(AN stalker) It looks to me like an editing dispute between vast corrections and differences of the article, either adding or removing. I don't see any major problems with either of the reverted edits. Neither is handling it very well - I'd suggest a check over of the added/changed material instead of waging an edit war over it. Although, I might add User:Eaglestorm, you shouldn't revert every edit an editor you oppose makes, i.e. adding back a redlink they corrected dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 23:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I reverted it back because of his hypocrisy. if its to be fixed, better to be done by anybody else other than him.--Eaglestorm (talk) 09:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Dibby's point stands. Why can't we be allies for each other than the argument we're in right now, and my recent edits are considered better than my actions from how I've got started for this site --Christian M. (2016) 20:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
@Eaglestorm: Disputes on content should always focus on content rather than contributor (as said by an editor last year on a similar dispute). If a contributor who has made controversial edits to an article later clearly helps improve the article, in this case fixing a redlink, it should not be reverted based on the contributor's other edits to the article. dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 01:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
A few small improvements do not erase a long history of huge controversial edits and rule violations. Plus, in some of his edits, such as this recent one, in trying to improve some quotes, he made controversial changes to others. DawgDeputy (talk) 01:31, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Spare us that alliance delusions you've been hawking - YOU WILL ROT AND DIE FIRST before I become one of yours! oh and congratulations on coming here to defend yourself, although your big boy pants is not big enough, from what I've seen. --Eaglestorm (talk) 03:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@Eaglestorm: I recommend keeping the color commentary to yourself and focus on giving facts. DawgDeputy (talk) 03:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
This kind of language is inappropriate and if I see inflammatory and uncivil language from you again, I'll block you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Yeah not the first time you threw your weight around in my face, nicht wahr? please. --Eaglestorm (talk) 04:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm an admin here because the community trusts my judgement. They trust my judgement because I'm willing to enforce basic civility. If you refuse to abide by it, then you will not participate here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:44, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I've now wanted to explain Edgar's defeat from The Aristocats for Disney's last words, and corrected a typo in Syndrome's last words, although Dawg reverted back, and deemed it "not right to remove necessary emphasis". Also, I've wanted to remove a majority of misspelled dialogues for their corrections in Ice Age: Collision Course, yet they were reverted once more, but I don't find them controversial. It's not offending, but I feel Dawg wants me to leave after the edit-war we and Eaglestorm were in - --Christian M. (2016) 18:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Never call me anything but DawgDeputy, explaining Edgar's defeat is unnecessary, and as for "not right to remove necessary emphasis" you got the wrong edit. Your defense does not undo a lifetime of wrongdoings that you should not have done in the first place. You started the edit wars with your excessive unnecessary emphasis. We try to end them by undoing them. DawgDeputy (talk) 02:27, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
"I'm never lying again." so says in one of his rather dramatic edit summaries. Sorry kid, that on and off act has gone on long enough. You come back despite theatrics about leaving, so there's really nothing more to be believed about you. It's probably best you concentrate on finishing school instead of wasting everyone's time here. --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Christian M. (2016), DawgDeputy, Eaglestorm, Koavf: The edits being discussed really don't seem like that big of an issue to say these things to other users. To focus on content, rather on 'who reverted who', I believe that emphasis should be included in characters where necessary, i.e. when a character is screaming/shouting, put it in caps. I don't think that formatting (e.g. bold/italics) should be used for emphasis though Edit: Formatting for emphasis seems to be on lots of articles already, so I'll give it a pass, just avoid overusing it. 04:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC), might do a re-read of WQ:MOS when I get some time. dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 00:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

the problem is when that other guy tries to make unnecessary emphasis with his crayon edits. He's been warned against it and has only shown pigheadedness, still a liar and a sockpuppet operator. Two strikes --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I looked through Christian's contributions and didn't really find anything indicating malintent; the edits are not unhelpful, no? They still help build a compendium of quotes? I don't see a problem with it. What part makes Christian a liar? He's certainly not a vandal (as was accused earlier, although I couldn't find any edits that back this up) dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 04:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
DawgDeputy already outlined it all. as for being a liar, he's made drama-queen edits about leaving the project and oftentimes backflippig, inaddition to all the unnecessary edits that just muck everything. That's more than enough to sap whatever patience and AGF should be given on him. Especially when you're a sockpuppeteer. --Eaglestorm (talk) 06:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Recently, I've contributed edits for Simba's Pride, Rise of Skywalker, The Last Jedi, Endgame, and Beauty and the Beast to remove unnecessary and problematic emphasized exclamation points, as well as lowercasing quotations in dialogues, but DawgDeputy and Eaglestorm reverted them back. They've even called me a "lying hypocrite", for believing I've vandalized pages again. They should never call me a liar/hypocrite, or ask me to leave. They wanted me to go again, but I can't give up for the site, and it doesn't mean I was lying. There's a little more I need to learn in needing to not edit war again. If you understand my reason, then talk to them on my decision for needing a break when it comes for me --Christian M. (2016) 21:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
"They should never call me a liar/hypocrite, or ask me to leave. They wanted me to go again, but I can't give up for the site, and it doesn't mean I was lying." - this is another big case of gaslighting and trying to paint oneself as the victim when you have been caught in a lie many times. There's really nothing to be believed about you anymore, is there? --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, there is anything you must believe me in. You must trust my edits for cleaning up pages, removing typos, etc., even if you might find it useless, hypocritical, or problematical. As a different person, no vandalizer or liar; just an ally --Christian M. (2016) 2:09, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
First, the term is called a vandal, not "vandalizer". Second, you are like a broken record. Third, you always lie. Fourth, by trying to clean up, you like to hide blatant vandalism within your edits. DawgDeputy (talk) 02:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Spare us the "you must..." dramaticism. I've seen that kind of behavior in so many people who have tried to trick me, and they're lesser people for it. Sadly, with all the nonsense edits you're making, you're on that list. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
To the Administrators (DawgDeputy and Eaglestorm)...this is Christian M.'s dad...I'm writing to you because I have been working with Christian to help in his understanding of what can and can't be edited and to follow the rules on the site. In case you don't know, Christian has autism and is trying his best do things the correct way. He may not always be able to explain perfectly or put in to words things to you.... that can come across as if he's lying/being dramatic, etc. Please understand that when he interprets dialogues, he's just trying to get it right and not trying to cause problems. That being said, he needs to learn and follow the rules as well. Many with autism notice/interpret minor details that most of us do not even notice, so what seems unneccessary to the admin, seems very important to Christian. He has contributed thousands of edits and absolutely loves being part of this platform! I've wanted him to handle all of this on his own in the past so he learns to work together with others, follow the rules of the site, and contribute as well. That's all he wants to do. I'm asking that you continue to help him when needed and understand some of the challenges he faces, and to be patient as you have.....I will stay involved more when issues come up to help as well. Thanks for your help and understanding. John M. --Christian M. (2016) 04:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Sorry man, I can't make heads or tails of what you just said, especially when I and another editor are labelled as something they're not. How are we to be sure that the latest response is legit and not the work of somebody trying to pose as another editor? Nice try, first it was running a sockpuppet account then you now pull off an ersatz meatpuppetry thing through the intervention of a "father" and using supposed mental illness for some sympathy fit? --Eaglestorm (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Even if it was legit, mental illnesses are not a defense to blatant vandalism/problematic edits or adding extra quotes by exceeding the Wikiquote's limitation on quotes, and Christian M. (2016) knew perfectly well what he was doing. DawgDeputy (talk) 11:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
You have no understanding of what Autism is about, the challenges that are faced, and the fact that you are saying, "Nice try", "meat puppetry", etc....Are you serious? I am Christian's father and am trying to help him correct the mistakes he made and do a better job of understanding Wikiquote's limitation on quotes. Have some compassion man and don't attack my son who is wanting to do things right and has made some mistakes. I have let him handle this himself from the beginning so he learns how to deal with situations, how to admit if he makes mistakes, and correct what's wrong. As an administrator, how is it you can't make heads or tails of my message? To think that as an administrator you think this is about sympathy and mental illness is just plain wrong. Autism just means my son and millions like him learn a different way than the average kid....I don't want sympathy for my son....but I would hope you could have some compassion for another human being that is trying to contribute. If he's done things wrong, he needs to correct those things and move forward and that's where I'm trying to now help. If you took the time to understand/learn about autism at all, you would know how the tiniest details are noticed and important to them....pretty simple really. So if that needs to stop, Christian needs to stop doing that, period...especially if that's the rules. This isn't a "supposed father intervention using a supposed mental illness". Just trying to help make something right. --Christian M. (2016) 18:10, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
"no understanding of what Autism is about"? hah, I have some traits that could have seen me diagnosed with it when I was a kid (and thankfully never concluded as such), so stop pulling our legs. If you are his pops at the helm of that editor's account, well, that's quite the meatpuppet for you. And please know who you're talking to, what with you again falsely identifying people with something they don't have. "So if that needs to stop, Christian needs to stop doing that, period." unless it really is the account owner talking in the third person, he ought to stop trying to be so pigheaded about the edits he makes, forcing his way when it clearly doesn't work, lying about exiting the site only to come back, and making desperation plays about calling people to be his ally, to the point of even demanding them to join him in what could be some zany cause of his! Please don't lecture me on compassion when it's you/his own behavior that's rubbing people the wrong way. --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Like I said earlier, it does not matter whether or not the one posting these feeble pleas for clemency really is Christian M.'s father, nor if he really is autistic. He knew what he was doing was wrong, yet he continued to act on his wrongdoings. A mental disorder is not an excuse for persistent problematic edits. DawgDeputy (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm more inclined to think this father bit is some April Fools' joke that has gone too long. --Eaglestorm (talk) 13:56, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Joke or not, the father message claims we are administrators. We are not administrators. We are just highly-trusted editors trying to fight against problematic edits/editors, and Christian M. is highly problematic. Seriously, what difference does it make whether or not it was a joke? There is no excuse for his problematic edits. DawgDeputy (talk) 21:05, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I get that I agree. That's what I meant by "falsely identifying people with something they don't have." There's no longer AGF-worthy material from him and to bring in someone who may or not be a loved one is just pushing it and trying to add another excuse to his edits. --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

What the hell? I... I really don't get this thread. Why is adding emphasis to movie quotes vandalism? I've been seeing a trend of editors accusing him of pretty strong actions that I haven't been able to find a trace of, and going through Christian's contributions doesn't bring up anything that would justify an addition to AN about him, much less a +2500-word long flame war. To me, this is just a lame edit war that got blown out of proportion, and if anyone can convince me otherwise, please put some diffs down on the table as well. dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 05:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

My whole idea of adding emphasis including sizing exclamations is so that the reader understands how the speaker is vocalizing his lines. Why is this considered vandalism? Also, to be able to picture in your mind, how a quote is being spoke is done through these sizing exclamations and expanding dialogues for a scene to make sense. That way, the reader can visualize how lines are being portrayed in a film --Christian M. (2016) 02:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
It is vandalism/problematic because it is absolutely unwarranted and going overboard. We have to go by what the form of media gives, not by the mind. Adding unnecessary emphasis may end up sending the wrong message to those that never saw the form of media. It has to stop. DawgDeputy (talk) 13:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
It's literally adding bold and italics to quotes. It's not even changing the words themselves. I don't get the fuss? I'm 100% confident these edits aren't vandalism in the slightest. This is going to near-harassment levels, and it doesn't need to continue further. These edits don't deserve to be reverted and they are often mixed in with helpful edits, most of which above editors just revert anyway, unintentionally harming Wikiquote. I think you should leave Christian alone. dibbydib⌐■_■ (barate me) 08:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
They are not necessarily vandalism, but they are unnecessary, and his insistence to emphasize those quotes is highly problematic (when I first filed this report, I distinctly stated his edits were problematic, not full vandalism (@Eaglestorm:, I will advise you not to go so far as to call them vandalism; that hinders the case)). And he has done more than unnecessarily emphasize quotes and hide them within helpful edits (which makes it difficult for editors, which is why they resort to undoing the whole edit rather than go through so much time and effort over removing just the problems with his edits). And he does more than just add unnecessary emphasis. Like I said earlier, he broke the rules on quote limitations at least twice. DawgDeputy (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree with dibbydib, those objecting seem to exhibit a behavior that is called "ownership" and "wikilawyering" at Wikipedia. Everyone needs to accept that Wikiquote is the work of a community and be more tolerant of what they consider to be imperfections. (By the way, WQ:LOQ is a proposal. There is no rule on quote limitations.) Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC).
Well it's a rather half-baked one. and we've been working on copyright cleanup for almost 13 YEARS this summer! Jeez! As for these accusations of doing a WQ version of WP:OWN, that's far off. there are no objections to other people working on articles, but its people like Christian who muddle up with unnecessary additions. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Mattest user pageEdit

Please see Special:PageHistory/User:Mattest. NGC 54 (talk) 10:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I deleted the pages added by the anonIP editor. ~ ♌︎Kalki ⚓︎ 11:13, 9 April 2021 (UTC)