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Deletion review for Sumit ChowdhuryEdit

Can Wikiquote:Deletion review#Sumit Chowdhury be closed after two weeks, or should it be advertized for wider discussion? ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually the circumstances are changed, again, and the book quoted apparently has now been published, so arguments for its deletion on that point are no longer valid. ~ Kalki·· 20:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Can Wikiquote:Deletion review#Sumit Chowdhury be closed after six weeks? ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I am unwilling to close it, since it was a review of my decision.--Abramsky (talk) 14:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for review of copyright status of Either/OrEdit

Could any administrator, or others interested, double check the statement I made here -- Mdd (talk) 23:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I have commented there in my capacity as a Wikiquote contributor. No administrative action is involved. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Due to new developments a new comment is made here. Hereby I like to request for feedback and further assistance. -- Mdd (talk) 12:52, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for review of copyright status of Amy PondEdit

Could any administrator, or others interested, double check the statement I made here -- Mdd (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I have commented there in my capacity as a Wikiquote contributor. No administrative action is involved. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:58, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I have now deleted the article.--Abramsky (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Rocky MarcianoEdit

Semi-protection might be appropriate on Talk:Rocky Marciano as a variable IP seems to be posting what are similar remarks and external links. ~ Kalki·· 17:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done, thanks for the notification. Mdd (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Votes_for_deletion#Augusto_De_LucaEdit

Just wanted to gauge the opinions of others on this discussion, which was recently closed with a 'Delete' outcome. While I'm still not convinced about whether or not the page should remain, the closure with the cited reason bothers me. I realize that while the discussion was left open for much too long and some outcome was needed, I maintain that the outcome should have been that there was no consensus either way (considering that there were two 'Keeps' and two 'Deletes' - plus my comment saying that if sources in English were provided, I would vote to 'Keep'). Additionally, it appears to me that the closer did not even consider the lack of consensus, but rather inserted their own reason for deletion ("The subject does not seem to be very notable."). Nothing against this user, but to me that sets a bad precedent and in some ways invalidates the VFD process. Anyone else have any thoughts? ~ UDScott (talk) 14:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Given the circumstances I personally think it is regrettable, that this article is removed although I vote for removal. Now in the past weeks I noticed different similar cases, and noticed the following differences:
  • Augusto De Luca, an Italian photographer, who hasn't made any comments in English/American newspapers or other reliable sources, and whose work also doesn't seem to be bespoken in international reliable source
  • Yuri Khanon, a Russian composer, who hasn't made any comments in English/American newspapers or other English/American reliable sources, but whose work is bespoken in some English/American newspapers.(see discussion here)
  • Sumit Chowdhury, Indian top manager and management author, whose comments have been published in several books (in English), and whose performance has been described in several sources.
Personally I think it is a minimum requirement, that there should be some comments quoted in reliable sources. If this is not the case, I think one indeed could say "The subject does not seem to be very notable." -- Mdd (talk) 18:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Abramsky's close does look a bit like a super-vote, but since all other admins & 'crats had already voted, he was probably just trying to be helpful by closing it himself. What I would have done, if I were him, would be to vote: "Delete. The subject does not seem to be very notable", and then close it with the more neutral: "Result was: Delete", which would make it (the closing) at least appear less controversial. Not that I think the article should be deleted. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I think I have been misinterpreted. I reviewed the discussion, and it appeared to me from the discussion that "The subject does not seem to be very notable". Surely my job was to consider the arguments and not just count votes. Actually, I would never vote in a disputed discussion and then close in accordance with my own vote; that would look like a bias. I had no involvement with the Yuri Khanon article.--Abramsky (talk) 22:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
In that case, when deciding based on the strength of the arguments rather than their quantity, I think it is important to do more than state the conclusion. Rather, it would be very helpful to explain the basis for the decision, identifying things like the following:
  • Arguments that are, or are not, well grounded in policies, practices, and precedents.
  • Arguments that raise overriding considerations vs. those that are side issues.
  • Arguments that are, or are not, well supported by evidence or logic.
  • Participants who are not registered, or who have few or no other contributions.
  • & etc.
Of course, nobody wants to read a 5000 word decision here, or write one, but briefly explaining the rationale has the benefit of clarifying what was decisive for the case at hand, making it understandable to the participants, and has the further benefit of identifying specific points that may be used as precedent, or used in reviewing the case, or even in formulating or revising policies and guidelines. The more inconclusive the "!vote" count, the more helpful it is to explain the basis for the conclusion. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Call for OTRS volunteersEdit

Hello Wikiquotians!

As a thread on Wikiquote talk:Contact us revealed a bit ago, we don't really have many active Wikiquote participants monitoring the Wikiquote queue on OTRS, the main contact system for e-mails to the Wikimedia projects. We could use some help from experienced editors from Wikiquote who are articulate, patient, and comfortable answering questions from new users. We would especially appreciate those who also have cross-wiki experience on other sister projects like Commons and Wikipedia, since those tend to have the highest number of e-mails, but don't hesitate to apply if Wikiquote is the only project you're active on — it doesn't hurt to have some people who specialize in different areas! The time commitment is not too high and you can also sign up for e-mail notifications when new tickets come in so you don't need to constantly login to check the queues. You can read more about the job and people we look for on the Meta-Wiki pages.

I hope some of you take the time to apply at m:OTRS/Volunteering. Please let me know if you have any questions! Cbrown1023 talk 23:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Anyone out there? Cbrown1023 talk 17:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Pardon the lateness of my reply. (I also got your private message.) I have given serious consideration to enrolling at "Sister projects::Wikiquote" on OTRS; but I am not sure more email is what is most lacking in my life right now. (I did volunteer to be a Wikiquote liaison to the Teahouse, but in more than two years I have received a grand total of zero inquiries and referrals.)

If I could be persuaded that it might help to improve and increase participation at Wikiquote by people who are genuinely interested in our compendium of quotations, then I might reconsider; but on the infrequent occasions when I noticed OTRS activity on-wiki, I have not seen that happen. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, the vast majority of the queries we answer are from people you wouldn't see on-wiki or don't directly cause any actions on-wiki at all. OTRS volunteers are the contact people for the projects that external users who often don't know how to edit reach out to. Most of the questions are pretty easy to answer for someone who understands the project and there's less work for everyone with more people helping out, such as link exchanges ("sorry, no!"), error fixing (either "you can edit" or "I've fixed it, but here's how you can edit"), general content inquiries (either answer it or "see WQ:RD"), and other questions and comments from people using the project or interested in contributing. Occasionally, there are also e-mails simply thanking Wikiquote and only need a follow-up.

As I said, the time commitment is pretty low, especially if multiple people help out and if you utilize the boilerplates to help structure your responses. You also wouldn't get notifications of new tickets unless you signed up for them, so it would create very little additional e-mail sent to your personal inbox. All you do is log in to a shared ticketing system and respond to the tickets.

If no one wants to help out, that's fine, we do still have a good amount of cross-wiki volunteers with access to the Wikiquote tickets... but then I shouldn't see threads like the one on Wikiquote talk:Contact us complaining that there is a lack of Wikiquote participation. Face-wink.svg Cbrown1023 talk 22:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't complain about any "lack of Wikiquote participation", I complained about deceiving language and wrong information in the Contacts page. I'm still waiting for someone to correct it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

a particular form of infantile troll-vandalism active here againEdit

The user Bildo Sploot‎ (talk · contributions) has made an edit typical of a long term vandal-troll which will be familiar to some admins. I encountered a similar edit within recent weeks by Simbluxo (talk · contributions) and I believe a permanent block on these accounts and any related ones would be appropriate. ~ Kalki·· 21:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

I see that "Simbluxo" has already been blocked, but I do not expect this person's activities to entirely disappear, if they remain so immature after all this time, as to still be inclined to such vandalism. ~ Kalki·· 21:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Hortonwho (talk · contributions) seems to be another manifestation of this particular problem. ~ Kalki·· 16:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Also as Iksploot Fafrook (talk · contributions) ~ Kalki·· 14:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I attempted to update the abuse filter for this pattern (filter#2), which has not proved very effective, but for some inexplicable reason the system says I do not have permission to do so. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • @Ningauble: That is because that filter has the 'Block autopromote' action and local sysops do not have abusefilter-modify-restricted right. You'll have to request assistance from stewards. --Glaisher (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      It would not even let me remove that deprecated action. Local administration of this filter appears to be entirely locked out. If the Stewards are the sole owners of this filter then they are welcome to exercise their stewardship – it is out of my hands. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      • You could request to add abusefilter-modify-restricted to local sysops' permissions set at bugzilla after getting consensus from the community. m:SRM if you want stewards to remove the block autopromote action from the filters. --Glaisher (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
A twerp has again edited in this manner, this time as Lallo (talk · contributions). ~ Kalki·· 11:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
This user is now blocked. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

HelpEdit

I bring your attention to this. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Could someone update the Recent Changes Board?Edit

New admin request by me: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Requests_for_adminship/Goldenburg111. Thanks! --Goldenburg111 17:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The admin requests should be given to me today since the due date (September 6, 2014) is today, thanks. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Requests_for_adminship/Goldenburg111 --Goldenburg111 15:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

QOTD 2014·09·10Edit

I was late making a selection for the present QOTD, and the layout at Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/September 10, 2014 will have to be moved into Wikiquote:Quote of the day/September 10, 2014 by an admin. ~ Kalki·· 23:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

  • Done, cheers! BD2412 T 04:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. That was the latest the selection had been in quite a while. ~ Kalki·· 04:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

AbuseFilter for car games spamEdit

If you want a filter for the new "car games" spam bot, try:

(old_size+user_age==0)
& new_wikitext irlike ".*\[https?:\/\/.+ car.game.*\].*"

If you would like to opt-in to automatically receiving such filters from stewards, ask if it is possible on m:SN. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)