I think the single most chilling thing I've ever read was a remark Stalin made to his daughter AFTER Germany had invaded the Soviet Union. "It's a shame Hitler had to go and attack us. Together, we could really have done some things!"
Perhaps the most important clue for understanding Stalin's psychology was a remark he made to Lavrenti Beria, the last leader of the secret police during Stalin's lifetime: "I'm so paranoid that I worry that I am plotting against myself."
I'm certain that both remarks exist in books that I own. Unfortunately, I don't recall which ones. Worse yet, I have about three shelves worth of books on the Soviet Union and those books are in storage in another city at the moment and will likely remain there for several more months so I can't dig through them to find these quotes. All of these books were purchased here in Canada in the past 30 years at mainstream bookstores so none of these books should be particularly obscure. I wonder if anyone else can recall which books had those quotes. (By the way, I'm not claiming those quotes were word-for-word exact but they're pretty close.)
- Dont forget his most important quote: "Dont trust anything on the Internet!" I have it in my shelf, but I am to lazy to look for it. Hedman (talk) 09:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- I hope you don't think that is a compelling refutation of the quotes I've cited. I'm POSITIVE I read those and they were in books by reputable authors. I just don't know which ones and, for reasons already explained, I can't readily track them down at the moment. However, they are real quotes and others who have read the same books may be able to identify them. I hope people like that come forth. I think those would be very valuable quotes to include on this page. Surely other history buffs who have read them will have noticed them.
22.214.171.124 16:31, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
As of Bazhanov (Бажанов) sourced-quotes. Bazhanov was a well-known anti-Stalinist and in his books he provided extremly preconceived point of view. I personaly would at least mark those quotes as "atributed to". Those attributed quotations, compared to those sourced by relaible sources, differ greatly even in style. Not to mentiotion overall low reliability of Bazhanovs works.
I am removing the following quotes:
- The House has noticed the Prime Minister's remarkable transformation in the past few weeks, from Stalin to Mr Bean.
This is a quote about Gordon Brown and not Stalin
- When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope.
This unsourced quote was acutally said by Lenin
- I do not trade a soldier for a marshal.
- In response to the German offer to trade a POW Field Marshal Paulus for Stalin's captured son Yakov.
The correct version of this quotation is already there and sourced
What the hell is with this article? I came looking for some info on Stalin, but this is just a mess!
I've been told that this is a Stalin quote, but I'm not sure where and I'm not having a lot of success digging up more information. Anyone know?
"For some people, four walls are three too many."
--126.96.36.199 23:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
"In wartime truth is so precious that she should always be attended to by a bodyguard of lies." is by Winston Churchill, NOT Stalin. I am deleting it. - Joe 23:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
'Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.' Is quoted from a novel by Anatoly Rybakov. As Rybakov himself has admitted, he made it up.
- Gratitude is a sickness suffered by dogs.
- In the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than advance.
I bet it comes from the western folklore. Those quotations were completely unknown in the USSR before perestroyka. I cannot find any sources for them in Russian. --188.8.131.52 18:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Gratitude is a sickness suffered by dogs.(Через полтора года, когда Сталин отстранил Зиновьева и Каменева от власти, Зиновьев, напоминая это заседание Пленума и как ему и Каменеву удалось спасти Сталина от падения в политическое небытие, с горечью сказал: "Знает ли товарищ Сталин, что такое благодарность?" Товарищ Сталин вынул трубку изо рта и ответил: "Ну, как же, знаю, очень хорошо знаю, это такая собачья болезнь")
- The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. (Знаете, товарищи, - говорит Сталин, - что я думаю по этому поводу: я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это - кто и как будет считать голоса)
Both quotes are from Boris Bazhanov's 'The Memoirs of former Stalin's secretary' Saint Petersburg, 1992 (in Russian). Bazhanov defected to the West in 1928. Probably it was the same text that was published in France back to 1930 - Boris Bajanov, Avec Staline dans le Kremlin (Paris: Les Éditions de France, 1930) --Nekto 11:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- In the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than advance.
It is claimed that Averrell Harriman, American ambassador in Moscow, said to American professor Urban (sp?) in 1979 that Stalin used this phrase in conversation with him. Further research is needed. --Nekto 12:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
There is little doubt that it WAS more courageous for a Soviet soldier to retreat than to attac. Those who attempted to retreat were typically shot by blocking forces designed specifically for that purpose. Stalin had issued a famous order called "Not One Step Back!" and enforced it mercilessly.
184.108.40.206 03:20, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Nikita Khruschev, especially his secret speaches, can hardly be a credible source. But that is not for me to decide.
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statisticEdit
"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
According to David McCullough's biography of Harry Truman, Stalin did in fact say this to Truman--I believe it was at Potsdam. The book gives the quote a bit differently from how it is usually attributed--I remember it as "one death is a tragedy, millions of deaths are statistics". If I can find a copy of the book then I will add some more detail.
"When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics"
This is the exact quote from the McCullough biography of Truman. According the the citation in that book, McCullough got it from page 278 of a book called "The Time of Stalin: Portrait of Tyranny", by Anton Antonov-Ovseyenko. McCullough quotes Stalin as having said this to Churchill at Teheran. "Churchill had been arguing that a premature opening of a second front in France would result in an unjustified loss of tens of thousands of Allied soldiers. Stalin responded that 'when one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics'". Although I don't know where Ovseyenko got it from, I think that we can consider this sourced.
It makes sense that this quote never gained any currency in the Soviet world since he apparently only said it in private, never in public.
- Can anyone check the Antonov-Ovseyenko's book and say what source he used? He himself cannot be a primary source (he was in prison at that time). --Nekto 07:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
The quotation most likely comes from The Black Obelisk (Der schwarze Obelisk) by Erich Maria Remarque written in 1956: Wir starren in das Abendrot. Der Zug pufft schwarz und verloren heran wie eine Begräbniskutsche. Sonderbar, denke ich, wir alle haben doch so viele Tote im Kriege gesehen, und wir wissen, daß über zwei Millionen von uns nutzlos gefallen sind — warum sind wir da so erregt wegen eines einzelnen, und die zwei Millionen haben wir schon fast vergessen? Aber das ist wohl so, weil ein einzelner immer der Tod ist — und zwei Millionen immer nur eine Statistik.
The earliest mention of the quotation when it was attributed to Stalin that I managed to find is a New York Times' article (1958) - Unwritten Pages at the End of the Diary; ANNE FRANK: A Portrait in Courage. By Ernst Schnabel. Translated by Richard and Clara Winston from the German "Anne Frank: Spur Eines Kindes." Illustrated. 192 pp. New York: Harcourt, Brace & Co. $3.95. :
" A SINGLE death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." Stalin's epigram is admirably illustrated by Ernst Schnabel's pointilliste portrait of Anne Frank during the few months she lived after the last entry in her diary, Aug. 1, 1944. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]
Once heard from a writer interviewed on radio that this quote supposedly comes from an early 20th century theatric play, and apologies but that is as much i can recall now.
In an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr (11.11.2011) Winston Churchill's daughter, Mary Soames, explained that she overheard Stalin say this to her father. Churchill, was upset having received news that a family friend had died. He apologised to Stalin in light of the vast loss of Russian life. And Stalin then gave this reply.
Interestingly, in the interview - The Andrew Marr Show -Lady Soames said death of thousands not "millions".
Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable, precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Joseph Stalin. --Antiquary 18:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Damn you all to hell. And it's not treachery, it's running a persuasive campaign.
- Joseph Stalin, rumored to be said after the Great Purge of 1938
- A Lieutenant is not worth a General!
- Stalin's refusal for a prisoner exchange, after Kurt Daluege offered Stalin back his captured son if General Paulus was returned to the Germans.
- When I am gone, the capitalists will drown you like blind kittens.
- Many variants; from a speech apparently made to the Politburo in 1950.
- What shall we do? We shall envy!
- Что делать будем? Завидовать будем!
- Rumored to be said after receiving a report about Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky's inappropriately large number of female lovers.
- Beat, beat and beat again!
- When asked how to treat political prisoners and get information out of them, Nikita Khrushchev alleged that had been said.
- Quantity is quality
- Variant: Quantity has a quality all its own
- This quote is reminiscent of the Marxist theoretical principle that steady quantitative changes can lead to a sudden qualitative leap. It is therefore likely that Stalin may have said something like this. However, in the variant "Quantity is quality", there is an undialectical equation of the two. Stalin is therefore unlikely to have used this variant; the variant "Quantity has a quality all its own" is therefore more likely.
- This quote is often tied to a commentary on Russian tank and troop production
- I've seen this attributed to him on dozens of web pages. It probably should go in unsourced until someone can trace a primary source down.
- It should probably go in the garbage can. I've read countless quotes sent to "everyone you know!!," of late, all fabricated and endlessly requoted by wingnuts, including many from Thomas Jefferson. "Somebody" will probably have a hard, if not impossible time chasing it down. Finding it would probably be tougher than locating Jimmy Hoffa's remains or the "continent" of Atlantis. 220.127.116.11 19:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC) Activist (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- this quote is apparently from Clausewitz, _On War_, p. 195. authoritative source: http://saass.wikia.com/wiki/Clausewitz,_On_War; my source, http://sipseystreetirregulars.com/, a blog on which Mike Vanderboegh frequently quotes this with the correct attribution. Jcomeau ictx (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- You cannot make a revolution with silk gloves.
- Variant: You cannot make a revolution with white gloves.
- He can't even do that right.
- All Stalin said when he found out about Yakov Stalin's failed suicide.
- I do not change the soldier for the marshal.
- In response to the German offer to change a Marshal for Stalin's captured son Yakov.
- I have no son named Yakov.
- Also in response to the German offer to swap Stalin's oldest son Yakov for their captured marshal.
- Then Devil is with us, and together we will win.
- In response to Churchill's "God is with us", during WW2.
- "All young people are the same, so why write about the young Stalin?"
- Not stated, should be quoted from Russian archives.
"You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." (and variations)
Commonly attributed to Stalin - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stalin+omelette -
I'm thinking that this is apocryphal -- anybody have a source? -- 18.104.22.168 15:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- Joseph Chamberlain (1836-1914) wrote this phrase in "The True Conception of Empire" in 1897, "You cannot have omelettes without breaking eggs; ..." It was written in regards to the colonization of Africa.
- It seems that Lazar Kaganovich actually said that:
Walter Duranty said that in the New York Times, when the kremlin exterminated about 10,000,000 Ukrainians during the kremlin's Genocide - called Holodomor.
By WALTER DURANTY, Special Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES The New York Times, New York, March 31, 2009, Page 13
But---to put it brutally---you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and the Bolshevist leaders are just as indifferent to the casualties that may be involved in their drive toward socializaton as any General during the World War who ordered a costly attack in order to show his superiors that he and his division possessed the proper soldierly spirit. In fact, the Bolsheviki are more indifferent because they are animated by fanatical conviction.
Dictator, Self promotion of dictatorshipEdit
- here's nie link on stalin, *promoted himself* as dictator of soviet union, everything i said:
- NO NEED TO BLOCK, LOL!
- scott learn manners, at least once!
Walter Duranty said that in the New York Times.
"I prefer to rule my people through fear rather than conviction. Convictions can change, but fear remains. "
Isn't this a quote from Stalin? I didn't see it in the list, though I may have missed it. --22.214.171.124 19:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds like a condensed version of Machiavelli's Chapter XVII of the Principe ("... much safer to be feared than loved ..."). The rationale given there is exactly the same -- only wordier -- as in the alleged Stalin quote: that humans are "ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed [...] they will offer you their blood, property, life and children [...] when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you ...".
- It is not impossible that Stalin paraphrased Machiavelli. Whether it is likely IONO; I'd guess not considering a) Stalin himself favored brute-force approaches to Machiavellian scheming, and what seems like schemin was simply clinically paranoia. b) Machiavelli was perhaps the foremost philosopher of power in the late Aristocrat/early Capitalist era, and that era was precisely what Stalin wanted to overcome (he didn't co-opt later Capitalist philosophers either as it seems).
- Needs reliable source (date, setting, context) but I'd tend to believe it's bogus. 126.96.36.199
Image of Stalin and Hitler with USSR & Nazi flagsEdit
I have removed the picture with soviet flag & nazi flag combined with stalin's image... no explanation needed i assume.
- I have restored this image as entirely appropriate match for Stalin's statement: "Education is a weapon whose effect depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." BOTH Hitler's and Stalin's regimes, despite deep animosities, entered into an alliance to carve up Poland, relying upon the other's "sensibilities" or at least social pragmatics to maintain a stable increment to the territories and lives under their direct control. Both employed very stringent control over education and communication to permit ONLY such opinions and expressions as they desired to be promoted, or which seemend entirely innocuous to be presented. Both were hostile to the ideas that MANY ideas should be allowed to presented so that Truth could ultimately be the fair victor among contending ideas — and much preferred that their postions be declared the only ones worthy of the name of Truth — and all other positions to be ignored, suppressed, denigrated and eradicated to the fullest of their abilities. I am someone who, like anyone truly enamored of genuine human integrity, survival, and progress, MUCH prefers the opposite — and would prefer many questionable ideas be presented and presentable — rather than enshrine some narrow, shallow, short-sighted view of things which forbids free expression, and seeks to impose such strictures as penalize it, or entirely prevent it, upon all they can. ~ Kalki 14:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's your original research unless stated otherwise. This page is about quotes not about making pictures in mspaint. Removing. Salmin 01:53, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- I had restored that image (an excellent one, created by someone else) some time ago, as it well fit the words of Stalin, as an ally of fellow dictator Adolf Hitler at the start of World War II, even one who called himself socialist or communist, but I replaced it as I found an even more appropriate image for that quote, and moved the image to a quote about Stalin by George Orwell, a person not as easily duped by words and the distortions of sensibilities created by words as most people are, and who recognized Stalin's totalitarian policies as quite fascist and NOT truly socialistic at all — and that is Orwell's clear opinion after his experiences with Stalin's goons and dupes in Spain, and hardly "original research." ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 02:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- Could you please provide me with a sourced Orwell's quite saying "Stalin and Hitler are the same damn thing. USSR and Nazis are BFF"? Your image would be appropriate in that case only. Wikiquote is supposed to be absolute neutral itself: just quotes, no interpretation. You're trying to fill it with your own vision. You can consider Stalin and Hitler to be the same but you cannot put such an image on Wikiquote unless you have a quote saying "Stalin and Hitler are the same". Furthermore, putting an image with a Soviet flag and Swastika side by side is really offensive for many people and absolutely out of scope for this article. It's not about USSR and Germany, it's about Joseph Stalin. Salmin 12:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- I will do some competent but necessarily personal and somewhat circumspect assessments of much nonsense, and analyze and address some incidents of extremely vacuous distortions of reasonability in the statements you have made:
- You demand I provide a quote of Orwell saying "Stalin and Hitler are the same damn thing. USSR and Nazis are BFF." That of course would be quite an achievement, because Orwell was certainly not so stupid or irrational as some people are, who make largely pointless and impossible demands attuned to their own peculiar sensibilities upon others, and who try to do such contemptible things as imply that any comparisons of two or more individual people or things is trying to state that they are identical, or that the highly unreliable alliances fascists and other tyrants or terrorists form with each other mean that they are "best friends forever." Fascists and other distorters of vital truths are the best friends of NO ONE, not even themselves.
- The best of people generally do what they can to indicate vitally important truths as clearly and effectively as they can, while the worst of people, who are often dependent upon severe distortions of truths and outright lies for many of the levels of power and prestige they attain among people ignorant and confused enough to actually believe them, are often quite desperately hostile to many forms of truth being presented by anyone — especially those which clearly weaken the basis of their presumed authority. I certainly never said or meant to imply to anyone that Stalin and Hitler are "the same damn thing" — they are quite distinct and individual manifestations of severely warped human minds extremely infected with dictatorial inclinations and unfortunately they came to great levels of power and control over others lives, because of other people's blindness or cowardice in response to increasingly brutal and powerful manifestations of their dictatorial tendencies and inclinations, their lusts and drive to control what others could do or could not do, or even what they could think or not think.
- You then state, in regard to proving Orwell said Hitler and Stalin were identical: "Your image would be appropriate in that case only." Frankly, my thoughts have been a bit cruder in their use of vernacular, but I will ask, what kind of crap is this your trying to dictate to me and feed the minds of anyone who will accept it? FIRST, I wish to restate: this is NOT "my" image — someone else created it, as VERY appropriate illustration to the convenient agreements Stalin and Hitler's regimes came up with to accommodate each others ambitions in such ways as would eliminate the independence of Poland, one of the earliest casualties of those whose invasions started World War II in Europe. You follow this with : You can consider Stalin and Hitler to be the same but you cannot put such an image on Wikiquote unless you have a quote saying "Stalin and Hitler are the same". You here claim once again that I "consider Stalin and Hitler to be the same" which is, at best, your own honest delusion as to what I believe, and at worst conceivably a dishonest and crafty ploy to fill others minds with your own warped vision of what it would be convenient for others to believe.
- Not everyone makes much effort to fill others minds with their own personal visions, but most do try to influence the visions of others in certain ways, and some people have strong inclinations to enrich the visions of others with introduction and presentation of diverse ideas, while others try to IMPOVERISH them, by attempting to absolutely forbid, prevent of punish the presentations of any ideas or thoughts that do not conform with their own, or those they wish to promote — attempting to censor others speech and otherwise limit their capacities to respond or act freely as human beings. George Orwell was a highly discerning person, well aware of such tendencies in people, and I have chosen to use an excellent image to illustrate his statement: "I consider that willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty" which he made at a time when Stalin was an active and clearly important ally in the war against the Nazis — because it is a reminder of a time when he and Hitler willingly accommodated each other's ambitions, Hitler with a bit more craftiness than he.
- I have a bit more I have considered stating, in regard to some issues, but believe that I do not presently have time to address them adequately, and must get dealing with other extensive matters soon, some of which I have been handling in between a few brief sessions of typing a reply, and will thus close this here, for now. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 01:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- You just miss the point. I'm not trying to object to your point of view, I'm saing that this's not appropriate for the Wikiquote. Pictures here appear in the following way: "Well, that's an excellent quote! I think there've been a photo/poster of that time to illustrate it". What you're doing is "That's an excellent picture! I think I'll find a somehow related quote". That is:
- This picture is not an illustration for the quote you're using. This quote doesn't say anything about Hitler or Germany.
- Please follow the common sense. There've been talks on Village Pump about your pictures already. Remember what Wikiquote is: "Wikiquote is a collection of quotations. While, for completeness, articles should have a short introduction of the topic or source, the primary goal is to include quotations." ~ Salmin 01:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think you and many other would-be censors miss much of the point — the wikis were established with a great deal of respect for human diversity and liberty — and I must admit have since become increasingly the gathering places for cliques of people who would censor or exclude any evidence of anyone actually having a perspective or opinion to offer that isn't as shallow, vapid, dull, dreary and uninvolved in serious thought as their own. I continue to assert that Wikiquote is NOT WIkipedia, and I have asserted from the very earliest days of the project that quoting, if it is worth a damn, involves PRESENTING of various opinions, and NOT simply following some vapid vacuous formulations that don't offend anyone with vapid and vacuous inclinations. One can certainly take exception to many points of other's opinions, and may provide further presentations of counter-opinions, but generally, maintaining a healthy wiki should be a generally ADDITIVE procedure, and only constrained or fixed in relation to definitely agreed to rules, that are responsibly developed through group consensus and NOT in deference to every goddamned lazy arrogant rule-maker or rule-mongers presumptions and desires. I have always asserted the importantance of maintaining liberties over any deference to what might seem convenient constraints to place upon them — and truly sorrow at the limited sensibilites and awareness of those who do otherwise. Yes, I do believe it is an excellent montage of images — but I don't use any image merely because I think it is an excellent one — there has to be some relevance to the subject of the page or the quote. The quotes are presented in various ways, and those who have the dilgence to do so should remain free to present them in ways that don't actually violate properly agreed to and well established policies.
- You state: What you're doing is "That's an excellent picture! I think I'll find a somehow related quote" — this is hardly the case in this incident, though I am quite pleased when I do find thought provoking quotes that relate to excellent and thought provoking images. More often I review my memory of what images might fit well with a significant quote, and use it to illustrate it — I actually did switch to an image which better fit the first quote I had used this image with, once I discovered it, and used this with a quote I thought it fit with even better.
- I am somewhat amused that you state "There've been talks on Village Pump about your pictures already." I once again must point out, it is my use of images, rather than any images of my own which have become the subject of particular public discussions on a few occasions, but since I have been using them for many years, since the earliest years of this project, on thousands of pages and especially on the main pages which usually receives tens of thousands of hits a day, it would be suprising if they hadn't been the subject of some discussion, but quite fortuitously and significantly there has been no clear consensus to curtail or restrict my own or anyone else's use of them, despite a few people who might earnestly wish that, so that imaginative thoughts and opinions divergent from those they are accustomed to don't arise to disturb their various froms of stupor or complacency. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 01:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC) + tweaks
- Filling the articles with garbage has nothing to do with freedom. Getting rid of it has nothing to do with censorship. It's about the quality of the articles so please stop being paranoid.
- You're saying that wikiquote is about PRESENTING of various opinions. Could you please explain why do consider it this way? It's a violation of the main Wikiquote policy saying that Wikiquote is a collection of quotations.. You're free of course to start the WikiOpinion project if you'd like.
- P.S. Could you also please keep your replies shorter since it's really hard to single out clear arguments from them? ~ Salmin 09:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- "You cannot conceive the awfulness of the things that are happening in Spain. It is a real reign of terror, fascism being imposed under the pretence of resisting fascism, people being flung into jail literally by hundreds..the Communist party is now the chief anti-revolutionary party" Orwell, 16 August 1937. "The grotesque feature, which very few people outside Spain have yet grasped, is that the Communists stood furthest to the right.." 15 September 1937. Orwell did clearly believe Hitler and Stalin were co-equal evils and equal enemies of the kind of society he wished to see emerge. If some people find it offensive , a Soviet flag and a swastika together, well so what, wp is not , as that is a phrase you like using, wp is not here to appease the various political sensibilities/closed mindsets of readers, but to present quotes and opinions expressed in said quotes, by various writers of note, and with relevant images at times too, no? 188.8.131.52 14:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Before you post a picture of a swastika next to a Soviet flag please open the dictionary and learn about the difference between Nazism and Communism. Until you do that I'm removing your picture from this page: —This unsigned comment is by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
- I am well aware of MANY of the differences between MANY ideologies — and the disputes which arise because of them. The images you had attempted to remove were appropriate ones for many of George Orwell's observations in regard to overt or disguised forms of fascism and the ways people misuse words to mislead others in various ways. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 05:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Before you post a picture of a swastika next to a Soviet flag please open the dictionary and learn about the difference between Nazism and Communism. Until you do that I'm removing your picture from this page: —This unsigned comment is by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) .
So you're saying that by posting those pictures you're actually trying to educate people on many differences between Nazism and Communism? If that's so you have to state it somewhere. From your previous posts it's clear that you know very little about Stalin and your opinion about him is clearly biased. The pictures you keep trying to restore don't serve any educational purpose and are there only to demonstrate your hatred for Stalin. I'm removing them. —This unsigned comment is by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
- I am saying that those images, avaliable at the commons, are appropriate for Orwell's observations, and those of a few others, on the collaborations and deliberate or inadvertent alliances that have existed between various forms of authoritarian regimes — no matter what they happen to call themselves, or profess to practice or be devoted to. You seem to be somewhat ignorant of the alliances that existed between the quite distrustful and hostile Nazi and Soviet regimes in the earliest years of World War II. The images here are posted as subjects of previous discussion and placements. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 05:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Well then according to your logic putting a swastika side by side with the American flag makes just as much sense as putting it next to the Soviet flag. Nazism is a variety of fascism, and thus it is an authoritarian form of democracy. So does it mean that if the word "democracy" is involved then America = Nazi Germany? Well ya know, cuz they both have certain attributes of democracy, right? Of course not. More over, most people in America would find putting a swastika next to the American flag very offensive. The same is true when it comes to the Soviet flag. 26 million Soviet people died to stop Nazism, so let's honor their sacrifice by removing the equal sign between Nazism and Communism, ok? The truth is that Nazism was originally founded as an anti-communist ideology, so in it's nature Nazism is the opposite of Communism.
- —This unsigned comment is by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
- Your comments actually lack many forms of rational coherence or factuality, despite an occasional glimmer of some genuine perceptions of truth. I have just created an article for Totalitarianism to make some of the most noted objections to this extreme form of authoritarianism more plain, from people who are devoted socialists or advocates of democracy. To give some idea of my general social dispositions, I will state that I myself am not what I would call an actual anarchist, but I sympathize wiith them greatly, and know others would consider me that, and I do not dispute I have great agreement with many types of them, and my reservations in using the term itself are something of an extreme form of semantic discipline that I hold myself to, more than anything else. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 07:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC) + tweaks
So far your claims seem to be opinion and not fact based. You've failed to prove any of my statements wrong and your fanatical attempts to create an illusion of similarity between the Soviet regime and Nazi Germany are anything but objective. Not to mention you complete lack of respect for the people who attributed more than anyone else to stopping the Nazis. —This unsigned comment is by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Your comments continue to be extremely lacking in rational cohesion, or in familiarity with many of the aspects of what is actually going on wiith how wikis operate and the uses of this discussion page to attempt to clarify or settle disputes, where possible. I fully recognize that the Soviet Union was extremely prominent in the overthrow of the Nazi regime and that the people of the Soviet Union were among those who suffered most in the War which resulted from the territorial and political aspirations of Hitler and Stalin. As with Orwell, whom I respect as a genuinely devoted advocate of democratic socialism, I do NOT consider Stalin as anything close to an exemplar of properly developed socialist policies. And I hold that the images, in conjunction with Orwell's statement, and early Nazi and Soviet collaborations are quite appropriate. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 07:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC) + tweaks
Ok, so let's recap. You and I both agree that Communism is very far from Nazism. We both agree that the Soviet Union contributed more than all the other nations combined to overthrowing Hitler's regime. We also agree that it suffered more than any other nation from Hitler's atrocities. On account of that I think it's safe to declare that posting a swastika next to the hammer and sickle is by very least inappropriate and offensive.: —This unsigned comment is by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
- I believe it is safe to assert that such would be a sufficient recap and conclusion, IF one wanted to totally ignore, disregard, and erase any trace of the FACT that the Soviet and the Nazi regimes, controlled by Hitler and Stalin, were ALLIES at the start of the war — and in the invasion of Poland. As that FACT cannot be erased, I believe that the image and Orwell's observations go well together. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 15:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC) + tweak
To choose ones victims quoteEdit
I've heard this quote attributed to Stalin "To choose ones victims, to prepare ones plans minutely, to stake an implacable vengeance upon the world there is nothing sweeter in the world." Can some one investigate?
Stalin (supposedly) about acts of terror to control the populationEdit
There is a quote being attributed on the web to Stalin that I was unable to find a source for:
If anybody can confirm or refute Stalin as the origin of that source, it would be great to add it to the article. --184.108.40.206 10:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Contemporary witnesses, Quotations about StalinEdit
Is there any reason why the section containing quotes from Stalin is twice as small as these two other sections with quotes from some other people? This page is a complete mess.