Last modified on 13 January 2015, at 01:45

Talk:Friedrich Hayek

Unfinished quoteEdit

Why isn't one of his quotes finished it should be Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 01:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Page numbers and sourcesEdit

For some reason, editors of this page are adding page numbers to the source lines, but putting them in HTML comments. The goal of sourcing is to make it reasonably possible for readers to verify quotes. This means that such information should be explicit in the source lines. Furthermore, as different editions and works have different page numbers for any particular quote, it is necessary to cite the specific edition of the work along with the page number. The easiest way to do this is to include the ISBN, if available, which uniquely identifies the edition. (If it predates ISBN or is unavailable, please include any specific publication data available, like edition number, reprinting number, month/year, publisher, etc.) The total page count should also be given, so that readers can interpolate for their own editions. An example using the {{cite book}} template:

* {{cite book
  | last = Hamilton
  | first = Laurell K.
  | title = Danse Macabre
  | edition = 1st ed.
  | year = 2006
  | month = July
  | publisher = Berkley
  | location = New York
  | id = ISBN 0-425-20797-8
  | pages = 483 pages

yields the following line that may be placed in a "References" section:

  • Hamilton, Laurell K. (July 2006). Danse Macabre (1st ed. ed.). New York: Berkley. pp. 483 pages. ISBN 0-425-20797-8. 

(It is not necessary to use the template, but it has its benefits, including a standardized format that, if changed, is reflected immediately in all articles.) I ask that all editors who have copies of the cited works make an effort to add this information. Thank you for your help. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The curious taskEdit

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."

This is one of Hayek's most well known quotes, taken from his 1988 book "The Fatal Conceit," at least the most well known from that book.

Someone please add it. PokeHomsar 07:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

This has now been added in the form:
  • The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design. To the naive mind that can conceive of order only as the product of deliberate arrangement, it may seem absurd that in complex conditions order, and adaptation to the unknown, can be achieved more effectively by decentralizing decisions and that a division of authority will actually extend the possibility of overall order. Yet that decentralization actually leads to more information being taken into account.
    • The Fatal Conceit : The Errors of Socialism (1988), p. 76
Though certain editors do tend to intimidate others — at times even going so far as to block people for daring to enter into edit disputes with them, going on rampages of defacement, denigration, derision and slanders, and pretty much freezing work on an article precisely to their casually thought out preferences, such behavior is not the accepted norm on this or any other Wikimedia wiki, and anyone is normally welcome to add material to the articles here. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 13:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I gots battle scars from such editors. I just assume all editors are like that to save myself the hassle of adding big things to articles and getting a cream pie in the face. PokeHomsar (talk) 01:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


  • In government, the scum rises to the top.
  • The ultimate decision about what is accepted as right and wrong will be made not by individual human wisdom but by the disappearance of the groups that have adhered to the "wrong" beliefs.

"Random" ImagesEdit

Why are so many of the quotes along the page sidebar listed under images not related to Hayek or specifically the quote. For example many of them showing the statue of liberty? They seem to add an editors bias to the quote more than to show anything related to it. —This unsigned comment is by 2001:4898:80e0:ee43::2 (talkcontribs) .

In misusing the term "random" you seem to actually be objecting to thought. Actual thought was indeed used in selecting the images, as well as the actual quotes used here, and will continue to be used, so long as sufficiently thoughtful people are able to fight against those more inclined to make others into robotic slaves of various forms of conformity, as they often already are. As Hayek states: We must make the building of a free society once more an intellectual adventure, a deed of courage.
This of course will not always be an easy task. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 18:29, 2 April 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

Chronological vs. Subjective subject headingsEdit

It has long been standard organizational practice here to avoid and remove subjective section headings, because these can promote bias, contentions, confusion and duplications. Many years ago it was decided by most people involved in increasing disputes on some pages that articles should be chronologically arranged by dates of quotes or works, and NOT have subjectively divided sections. These sometimes arise because of people unfamiliar with these policies, but should be reverted or adjusted as soon as possible. A similar thing as recently occurred here has now also occurred on the John Maynard Keynes page, and though I had marked this one "inUSE" for revisions, before leaving from my home, the complications of this one seem much more troublesome, and as I will have to attend to other matters soon, I am attending to the Keynes page first, and hope to be done with it relatively quickly, restoring standard arrangement of quotes, and retaining the new additions. I should be able to get back to this one sometimes later today. ~ Kalki·· 02:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning this up Kalki. You may want to comment on the general practice in a discussion at the Village Pump under Alternatives to Wikiquote:Templates/People. We do not actually have an explicit "policy" about this, and it may be wise to at least spell it out in a guideline. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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